Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The downside would be big tech not being able to solve severely degrading vision/severe astigmatism. Despite all my reading up on this subject, I haven’t came to any firm conclusions with that yet. I guess we will know in 18 months.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

They could never produce a product that is being tipped to replace the smartphone without including people ho need prescription glasses. Around 65% of the US population have a eye prescription of some sort. The tech can’t alienate billions around the world. If Tim Cook believes AR is profound and could the next computing platform, it needs to be universal.

Well, then it sounds to me like you don't have much to worry about regardless of how these glasses work. Let's look at this logically (I know you struggle with that, but at least try)...

If the tech doesn't account for the 65% of people with some kind of vision problem and need for corrective lenses, then there is definitely no way that it would replace regular TVs since that would be WAY too many people not being accounted for.

If they do properly account for people with vision problems, and if the tech matures to the point that what you are seeing and experiencing through these glasses when watching a movie or TV show is at least roughly as good if not better than a high end TV or projector, and with the option of making the "screen" as big as you want, then it doesn't sound like there is much wrong with the technology and there would be nothing to get upset about.

Even in that second scenario, I still highly doubt that these glasses would completely replace actual physical television sets, eliminating them from the market. But even if I'm wrong, the issues that you are concerned about would be addressed.


So, what exactly is there for you to get all worked up about? Do you enjoy just panicking the hell out of yourself with every little thing you read about potential new technology, without even fully thinking it through to it's logical conclusion?

[avs commenter]

Yes the need for multiple TVs in a home is down and will continue to go down with all the devices we now have. However, there will continue to be a need for at least one main TV in a home for people to watch a show/news/movie/game together. I don't see that changing for a long time.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Well, then it sounds to me like you don't have much to worry about regardless of how these glasses work. Let's look at this logically (I know you struggle with that, but at least try)...

If the tech doesn't account for the 65% of people with some kind of vision problem and need for corrective lenses, then there is definitely no way that it would replace regular TVs since that would be WAY too many people not being accounted for.

If they do properly account for people with vision problems, and if the tech matures to the point that what you are seeing and experiencing through these glasses when watching a movie or TV show is at least roughly as good if not better than a high end TV or projector, and with the option of making the "screen" as big as you want, then it doesn't sound like there is much wrong with the technology and there would be nothing to get upset about.

Even in that second scenario, I still highly doubt that these glasses would completely replace actual physical television sets, eliminating them from the market. But even if I'm wrong, the issues that you are concerned about would be addressed.


So, what exactly is there for you to get all worked up about? Do you enjoy just panicking the hell out of yourself with every little thing you read about potential new technology, without even fully thinking it through to it's logical conclusion?

The problem/issue would be the sub section of people with severe astigmatism or those who have to change prescriptions every year due to decreasingly poor eyesight. I haven’t seen any evidence that any solution stretches far enough to cover those people.

I myself have astigmatism. It could well end up being severe in years to come. Definite cause for concern there.

You have the misconception that I flick through articles then run on here. I don’t, with AR alone I have probably spent a good two months reading about this stuff. Everything from patents to progress reports etc..

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The problem/issue would be the sub section of people with severe astigmatism or those who have to change prescriptions every year due to decreasingly poor eyesight. I haven’t seen any evidence that any solution stretches far enough to cover those people.

I myself have astigmatism. It could well end up being severe in years to come. Definite cause for concern there.

You have the misconception that I flick through articles then run on here. I don’t, with AR alone I have probably spent a good two months reading about this stuff. Everything from patents to progress reports etc..

Okay, so you've spent a couple of months getting yourself worked up over technology that isn't even on the market yet and we have no real idea what the long term effects and issues will be.

Regardless of whether you read one article or dozens of them, you keep getting worked up and convincing yourself that almost any piece of new technology means the absolute certain death for regular televisions. There is absolutely no reason to believe that at this point, and there likely will never be.

And regardless of that, seeing as to how Apple and similar companies are in the business of making money, they are going to want to make their product as accessible to the masses as they can.

For issues like yours, the solution could simply be something similar to the sun glass lens attachments to Dwayne Wayne's glasses from "A Different World"...



They could make options that would attach to your glasses in a similar manner, allowing the AR lenses to be placed in front of your corrective lenses. That way you can get new corrective lenses each year without having to rebuy the "fancy" AR lenses. This would avoid the cost issue of having to replace to AR lenses regularly, and would not have problems akin to those when trying to wear 3D glasses over regular glasses.

Regardless of how this pans out, you just stress yourself out over next to nothing, go on and on and on about it here, make yourself look paranoid, and then wonder why you get sarcastic and sometimes insulting responses. That is like jumping into a swimming pool and being angry and baffled as to why you get wet every single time.

You need to calm the **** down.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Okay, so you've spent a couple of months getting yourself worked up over technology that isn't even on the market yet and we have no real idea what the long term effects and issues will be.

Regardless of whether you read one article or dozens of them, you keep getting worked up and convincing yourself that almost any piece of new technology means the absolute certain death for regular televisions. There is absolutely no reason to believe that at this point, and there likely will never be.

And regardless of that, seeing as to how Apple and similar companies are in the business of making money, they are going to want to make their product as accessible to the masses as they can.

For issues like yours, the solution could simply be something similar to the sun glass lens attachments to Dwayne Wayne's glasses from "A Different World"...



They could make options that would attach to your glasses in a similar manner, allowing the AR lenses to be placed in front of your corrective lenses. That way you can get new corrective lenses each year without having to rebuy the "fancy" AR lenses. This would avoid the cost issue of having to replace to AR lenses regularly, and would not have problems akin to those when trying to wear 3D glasses over regular glasses.

Regardless of how this pans out, you just stress yourself out over next to nothing, go on and on and on about it here, make yourself look paranoid, and then wonder why you get sarcastic and sometimes insulting responses. That is like jumping into a swimming pool and being angry and baffled as to why you get wet every single time.

You need to calm the **** down.

What’s paranoid about it? We are on the verge of AR becoming a thing. Apple (biggest tech company in the world) are releasing glasses that by all accounts will allow the viewing of high definition video. No doubt their new streaming service will push this option.

The fact that my eyes (and many others) might rule me out of this tech is of course cause for concern.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

You are a lost cause.



If you are going to keep panicking about every stupid little thing, can you spare the rest of us the headache of having to read about it? It's just getting annoying and exhausting.

You also may want to go see a doctor about getting some anti-anxiety medication.

[Vilya]

After five weeks, I'm sorta back some of the time. The place looks pretty much the same as I remember it.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

After five weeks, I'm sorta back some of the time. The place looks pretty much the same as I remember it.

Welcome back, Vilya! It's good to see you posting here again. I hope all is well.

I know you said a while back that you would be gone for a few weeks. I hope everything is alright.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Apple (biggest tech company in the world) are releasing glasses that by all accounts will allow the viewing of high definition video.

By all accounts or is that a conclusion you've drawn? I can't find anything that says the product Apple is thinking about trying to release in 2020 will able to display HD video. Or any video at all, for that matter. Obviously any data presented visually will be in some sense 'video' but is there that anything that suggests Apple's consumer drones will be able to watch even SD video on their new iGlasses (not a big Apple fan but that would be a pretty cool product name) next year?

And I'm not talking about their future plans or road maps. I'm asking about these glasses that are rumored to be going into production later this year.

I want to know what they can do and so far as I can tell, nobody actually knows.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by octagon

I want to know what they can do and so far as I can tell, nobody actually knows.

Steedeel seems to think that he knows.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

After five weeks, I'm sorta back some of the time. The place looks pretty much the same as I remember it.

Did you complete your Twin Peaks marathon?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

By all accounts or is that a conclusion you've drawn? I can't find anything that says the product Apple is thinking about trying to release in 2020 will able to display HD video. Or any video at all, for that matter. Obviously any data presented visually will be in some sense 'video' but is there that anything that suggests Apple's consumer drones will be able to watch even SD video on their new iGlasses (not a big Apple fan but that would be a pretty cool product name) next year?

And I'm not talking about their future plans or road maps. I'm asking about these glasses that are rumored to be going into production later this year.

I want to know what they can do and so far as I can tell, nobody actually knows.

What do you mean, what can they do? They are AR glasses, they place computer generated images over the real world. Think directions in your line of sight, alerts when you walk past a point of interest, the ability to look at a object and identify it, shop in a store without leaving home, previews of how clothes will look on you, 3D objects that you can scan from any angle and walk around. Think virtual Avatars that will be on call when you need them, access any info and bring up multiple display panels for when you need visual info. Need to photoshop some pictures? Just flip open a screen and get to work.
Not to mention immersive entertainment like games, video, theatre etc..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Steedeel seems to think that he knows.

I thought it was common knowledge? Magic Leap is already capable of this function.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What do you mean, what can they do? They are AR glasses, they place computer generated images over the real world. Think directions in your line of sight, alerts when you walk past a point of interest, the ability to look at a object and identify it, shop in a store without leaving home, previews of how clothes will look on you, 3D objects that you can scan from any angle and walk around. Think virtual Avatars that will be on call when you need them, access any info and bring up multiple display panels for when you need visual info. Need to photoshop some pictures? Just flip open a screen and get to work.
Not to mention immersive entertainment like games, video, theatre etc..

That's what AR will one day be able to do. That's the white paper talk.

What can the actual glasses that Apple is talking about releasing next year actually do?

You say that by all accounts people will be able to watch HD video through their new iGlasses.

I don't see anybody else saying that.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I thought it was common knowledge? Magic Leap is already capable of this function.

Magic Leap is a $2000 headset, isn't it?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

That's what AR will one day be able to do. That's the white paper talk.

What can the actual glasses that Apple is talking about releasing next year actually do?

You say that by all accounts people will be able to watch HD video through their new iGlasses.

I don't see anybody else saying that.



Magic Leap is a $2000 headset, isn't it?

No one else is saying it because they already know it will.

However, if you need to watch the launch event before believing me, feel free.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

That's what AR will one day be able to do. That's the white paper talk.

What can the actual glasses that Apple is talking about releasing next year actually do?

You say that by all accounts people will be able to watch HD video through their new iGlasses.

I don't see anybody else saying that.



Magic Leap is a $2000 headset, isn't it?

Yes, and?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I find it annoying when someone refers to Streaming as "Good Enough" or "Convenient." Especially when all they are going by is published Bitrates and Bandwidth, and not actual Streaming because they don't have the proper set up. That's why I say now Quality is very subjective, depending on your equipment and set up. Even Vincent Teoh put disclaimers behind his Streaming findings because of his insufficient Bandwidth. So if using the wrong HDMI Cables on UHD Blu-Ray Players affects Bandwidth, don't you think it will do the same for Digital Streaming?

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Just to be clear your argument is that with the right setup a low bitrate stream will look better than a high bitrate disc? Certain HDMI cables will make streaming look great but won't improve Blu-rays?

By the way are you (or any of the other digital supporters) ever going to comment about the censorship that happened with The Simpsons recently? The episode "Stark Raving Dad" was removed from all digital providers. That is clear evidence of what I've been saying about digital for years: content can be taken away at any time.

Of course not, I didn't say that at all about Streaming being better than a Disc. I just want the person claiming that their Streaming is degraded by their actual observation, and then Post their Bandwidth, ISP, and set up. Like Wired or Wireless and Streaming Device. Then maybe we can see a pattern with their Streaming problems. Because I don't see any problems with my Streaming and the PQ is outstanding. My set up is Hardwired straight from the Fiber feed Switch into the Sony UHD TV, and Bandwidth is 85Mbps Symmetrical.

As for that Simpsons "Stark Raving Dad" it was banned and pulled from circulation for both Digital and Disc, because of the Michael Jackson problems. This means that the Distribution for both Digital and Disc has stopped, but if you have it in your Digital Collection you still have access to it just like your Disc. This is what Vudu Support said:

https://forum.vudu.com/forum/vudu/ge...lled-from-vudu

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No one else is saying it because they already know it will.

However, if you need to watch the launch event before believing me, feel free.

I don't necessarily need to see the launch event. Is there a spec sheet somewhere that tells everyone what everyone (but me, apparently) already knows to be true?

How exactly did the rest of world come to conclusion that these glasses were going to be capable of beaming HD video into our eyeballs?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, and?

Headsets aren't glasses and as far as I can tell it's a stretch to say that these headsets are capable of displaying HD video in the sense that one could watch a movie in HD quality on them.

So if the headsets can't even do it yet what you think a pair of glasses nobody has even seen yet will be able to do it?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

As for that Simpsons "Stark Raving Dad" it was banned and pulled from circulation for both Digital and Disc, because of the Michael Jackson problems. This means that the Distribution for both Digital and Disc has stopped, but if you have it in your Digital Collection you still have access to it just like your Disc. This is what Vudu Support said:

https://forum.vudu.com/forum/vudu/ge...lled-from-vudu

But that means for anyone who doesn't already have the episode in some form, the only option would be to buy a copy of the older DVD set on the secondary market since there is no way now to buy it digitally. Hence the benefit of physical media in these scenarios.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Did you complete your Twin Peaks marathon?

No, I have not had the opportunity. I hope I can resume with FWWM soon.