The Honda & Acura Thread

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I drive a Honda (08 Accord EX-L coupe) myself now, and I really miss having low end torque.

Last week, I was following a friend's Altima on the freeway, and when he took off from the onramp, I almost had to floor it just to not leave a huge gap. 160 lb-ft @ 5400 rpm is bull.

you have to floor it with Honda's. VTEC doesn't kick in usually until 4500 or so unless you reprogram the ECU. That's why I love the new i-VTEC since it hits in multiple stages.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by mikejet

you have to floor it with Honda's. VTEC doesn't kick in usually until 4500 or so unless you reprogram the ECU. That's why I love the new i-VTEC since it hits in multiple stages.

is it that low in the newer models? the newest accord i've owned is a 94, and it was over 5k if i remember right

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by xtop

is it that low in the newer models? the newest accord i've owned is a 94, and it was over 5k if i remember right

i-VTEC on my Fit first kicks in at 3K then the second stage at 5k. I can feel and hear it kick in. I might be wrong though since there are other factors that effect it's initial kick in RPM.

I know the old D15b motor by Honda on the Ferios had a 3 stage VTEC that kicked in at 3k and hit peak at 7k.

[xtop]

well i know in my accord for instance, the pick up felt wasn't even vtec engaging. it still had another 1k rpm's before it actually engaged. but its been awhile since i've payed real attention to honda's. so i'm sure its changed.

i know its definitely changed with the i-vtec tho, as you say

[york weir]

Originally Posted by jkwest

Escalade has the same engine...

At least the ones I'm familiar with the escalade and denali got 6.0 liter engines whereas the tahoe got 4.8 and 5.3 liter engines.

EDIT: the 2000 and below I think kept the same 5.7 liter vortech engine.

[mikejet]

You have to ask yourself though, what would you rather have?

RSX or Integra Type-R?
TSX or Accord Euro-R?

I would take the forgien versions over the USDM Acura models any day.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by mikejet

You have to ask yourself though, what would you rather have?

RSX or Integra Type-R?
TSX or Accord Euro-R?

I would take the forgien versions over the USDM Acura models any day.

tsx/euro r please. with a dash of turbo and awd while we're at it. and none of that new tsx crap..ew

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by xtop

tsx/euro r please. with a dash of turbo and awd while we're at it. and none of that new tsx crap..ew

Since my wife and I are planning to eventually start a family I kind of want the Mugen 09 Oddysey. That think looks really nice.

I saw a slammed late 90's Oddysey over the weekend on 14's with camber'd wheels in the back. It looks amazing.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Since my wife and I are planning to eventually start a family I kind of want the Mugen 09 Oddysey. That think looks really nice.

I saw a slammed late 90's Oddysey over the weekend on 14's with camber'd wheels in the back. It looks amazing.

mugen oddysey would rule

[mikejet]

I present to you the 2009 Mugen Oddysey. I swear my GE8 Fit is a mini version of the new Oddysey.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by mikejet

I present to you the 2009 Mugen Oddysey. I swear my GE8 Fit is a mini version of the new Oddysey.

the only cool minivan in the world

[Septimus Prime]

If I'm not mistaken, VTEC doesn't really raise torque anyway, so you're going to have acceleration issues regardless.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

If I'm not mistaken, VTEC doesn't really raise torque anyway, so you're going to have acceleration issues regardless.

Technically true. VTEC only changes the timing of the engine to allow more air into the engine increasing the psi. However the benefit of doing that at high rpm does equal more peak hp when it's engaged. It's a work around to no forced induction.

[Septimus Prime]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Technically true. VTEC only changes the timing of the engine to allow more air into the engine increasing the psi. However the benefit of doing that at high rpm does equal more peak hp when it's engaged. It's a work around to no forced induction.

Right, but the problem is that it only kicks in in the high rpm, where torque has less relevance. What annoys me is that, off the line, VTEC isn't going to help you at all, and I think it's a crock that Honda lists peak torque on its sales copy when they damn well know that most drivers aren't ever going to see that performance.

It's like those stupid Accord V6 articles in 2003, where idiots would say that you'd get a 5hp bonus if you used high-octane gasoline. Bullplop. All you would get is less efficiency by throwing off your timing.

[xtop]

tq is always relevant. thats why i'm glad my tq powerband is pretty level. yay for turbo's

i know what you mean tho..even tho technically hp comes from tq..but thats a whole other story

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

Right, but the problem is that it only kicks in in the high rpm, where torque has less relevance. What annoys me is that, off the line, VTEC isn't going to help you at all, and I think it's a crock that Honda lists peak torque on its sales copy when they damn well know that most drivers aren't ever going to see that performance.

It's like those stupid Accord V6 articles in 2003, where idiots would say that you'd get a 5hp bonus if you used high-octane gasoline. Bullplop. All you would get is less efficiency by throwing off your timing.

I actually tested engine response with high octane vs low and I was much better off with 87 than 91.

Unless I had the ECU reprogrammed to handle the higher octane and compensate by allowing higher compression I would never see any benfit from the more expensive gas.

The reason why VTEC is great is because in every day driving you woould probably never use it and save TONS of gas by doing so. But in the event that you do need it that extra power is there and you can use it.

[Nathan P]

Originally Posted by mikejet

you have to floor it with Honda's. VTEC doesn't kick in usually until 4500 or so unless you reprogram the ECU. That's why I love the new i-VTEC since it hits in multiple stages.

My 98 Accord Type R (Uk spec) doesn't take off until 5500rpm - then it flies, I use the full rev range and don't mind if someone gets away from the lights slightly quicker as i can usually catch up in short order Oh and petrol does make a difference i run mine on 98/99 octane when i can as i find it gives smoother acceleration

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Nathan P

My 98 Accord Type R (Uk spec) doesn't take off until 5500rpm - then it flies, I use the full rev range and don't mind if someone gets away from the lights slightly quicker as i can usually catch up in short order Oh and petrol does make a difference i run mine on 98/99 octane when i can as i find it gives smoother acceleration

Your car is tuned for the higher octane. My Fit isn't. I think the max compression is around 10:1 or so on my car.

[Nathan P]

Originally Posted by xtop

tsx/euro r please. with a dash of turbo and awd while we're at it. and none of that new tsx crap..ew

Common thought in th uk is to supercharge a type r engine to give more ommph lower down the rev range

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Nathan P

Common thought in th uk is to supercharge a type r engine to give more ommph lower down the rev range

*cough* Fully built with ITB's*cough*

I'm a big fan of NA and I always think a fully built engine > forced induction.