The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[Boland]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

I was close to Val Kilmer last year, sadly I am not Batman

He was implying that people do have it. But he is yet to see it personally.
That's all.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by crazybeats

Of course it's out there. I'm surprised after all these screenings with those close to Kubrick attending no one has ever asked them outright if the ending exists on a print, a simple yes or no answer and I don't care how much power Kubrick had, Warner Bros made those prints for him, they made the prints for those advanced screenings, he might dictate what he does in England, he doesn't tell Warner Bros in America what to do with their own negatives and prints and do you really think Warner Bros made the exact number of prints he requested? You don't think they made their own copies of everything they had?

What about the actors? Jack Nicholson didn't take copies of his stuff? Danny Lloyd has done the convention circuit for a while now, his Mother apparantly asked for all his scenes and Kubrick gave them to her so why does no one ask him about that?


I think with these releases having the same old extras on them, it's a cash grab and maybe that's just the way it always will be from now. Same with the Batman movies, don't bother including all those deleted scenes and outtakes, just show little clips of them in the making of documentaries. Warner Bros could do a lot more but they don't. At least with the other Kubrick films Warner owns you know what to expect, same old extras but a 4K restoration and if you want to pay the money for it then pay it. Same with the 19 minutes of 2001 which Warner have, it gets to the point where it's not even worth talking about because it ends up with all this stuff about what Stanley wanted and he wanted this and he wanted that well he's been dead for 20 years so at some point you have to factor in new technology and new ways of consuming films and by all means respect the man's wishes but at the same time it's not that big of a deal. If Stanley was alive today I have no doubt whatsoever he would be happy showing clips of the hospital ending and outtakes, he let his daughter film 80 hours behind the scenes footage from The Shining (which still exist btw) and allowed what she wanted to be screened on TV. This whole thing about him not wanting his films edited is one thing....but he showed a lot of evidence in his life that he was willing to let you see him making those films, same with Full Metal Jacket, he allowed that behind the scenes footage and had that technology been around a decade prior and Vivian been a decade older I've no doubt he would have gladly allowed her to film Clockwork Orange and let that stuff be shown.


It gets tiresome because neither the family nor Warner Bros seem to want to put any effort in at all. Jack Nicholson is in his 80's, you can't get Jack Nicholson for an interview? You can't pay the man money to do a commentary? It's a sad thing for me to say but when I look at these releases among others, it really does come across as a cash grab by Warner Bros. I feel the same way about the Batman films. Just the same old stuff and wanting high prices for it when there's a ton of footage out there they could release and most certainly a ton of people still around that they could interview and give a real proper making of documentary of each film.


I also believe there is the collectors side to. There are people in America with private film collections. Some films that were thought lost have had fantastic restorations all because private collectors opened their vaults...for the right price. Of course those people would never make themselves known on the internet but they are around. Things will swing round. We'll go 40 years in the past. At some point physical media really will die out or it will be tiny compared to now and all you'll have on your TV is an app and no special features and when it comes to films like this, it'll be the 1970s all over again. You'll watch it on TV and that's it. Maybe get it on a Warner Bros app.....but ultimately it will go back to how things were, a TV guide and you'll watch whatever the TV channels tell you to watch. No more going to shops to buy films and rent films. It'll just be a TV screen and that's it and you wont even need a recorder, the TV will store your recordings.

Came across a three-part documentary on horror films hosted by Mark Gatiss. Includes rare behind-the-scenes footage from The Omen (1976). It even has what looks like a deleted scene from Damien’s birthday party!

This footage should be included on a future 4K Blu-ray release. It would be an instant buy.

I believe the lost ending for The Shining may still exist.

How many decades do you need to build the footage up to a near-legendary level of mystique before it’s ‘$discovered$’?

The ‘lost footage’ from 2001: A Space Odyssey would’ve made the 50th anniversary 4K release truly special. What a wasted opportunity.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by multiformous

*minutiae

Whatever, English is not my first language, French is. How's your French?

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Are there really that many average Joes buying UHDs? I like to think that botched releases like T2 have sat on the shelf because informed UHD consumers know to avoid them.

I also think even a good number of 'average' Europeans will be unhappy if their market's release doesn't include the cut they grew up with and presumably liked enough to buy again on another format. I can at least say with great certainty that my GF, a film/Kubrick lover for sure but not an obsessed collector, would be pissed if she bought an American release of The Shining and it didn't include her preferred American cut.

I was bloody stoked when I bought the Aussie BD and it ended up being the US cut.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Bn43

That is one bad cover. Doesn't match the tone of the movie at all. Looks all slick and stylish.

Because The Shining isn't stylish?

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by gates70

No matter what, there's still a very small percentage of people that come on this site or care about the minutias that are talked about here.

I just don't think that 20+ minutes is minutia. People on this site, myself included, can be a bit stupid obsessing over insignificant things but the availability of both Kubrick-approved cuts of The Shining on UHD isn't an example of that IMO.

Originally Posted by Alister_M

I was bloody stoked when I bought the Aussie BD and it ended up being the US cut.

That's how I felt when I imported the UK Kubrick BD set and discovered the Euro cut for the first time. But I do think that many of the 'average' people referenced earlier are gonna want to stick with the version of The Shining they grew up with.

[LordoftheRings]

Speaking of one of our favorite over-the-top harsh movie directors ... Stanley Kubrick the visionary with an edge for "get in his zone" ...

• https://nofilmschool.com/Kubrick-predicts-the-future

In The Shining Shelley Duvall had to endure a lot; so much so that if she would have known about her future she would probably have told Stanley to "go somewhere else".

[Boland]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Speaking of one of our favorite over-the-top harsh movie directors ... Stanley Kubrick the visionary with an edge for "get in his zone" ...

• https://nofilmschool.com/Kubrick-predicts-the-future

In The Shining Shelley Duvall had to endure a lot; so much so that if she would have known about her future she would probably have told Stanley to "go somewhere else".

Shelley had a great career through the 80s after The Shining.

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by Amano

Am I the only one who hates the cover art?

In my opinion it spoils the ending by hinting at Jack going nuts with an axe.

And all those hundreds of past releases on virtually every home video format ever featuring him peeking through the hole in the broken door like a madman didn't?

I mostly just dislike it because I don't like the mondo posters in general. I wonder if anyone's tried making custom covers for this movie - on any format - using the original "yellow" poster that didn't have Nicholson's face on it.

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by Amano

Am I the only one who hates the cover art?

In my opinion it spoils the ending by hinting at Jack going nuts with an axe.

...spoils the ending of an incredibly successful and beloved film that was released nearly 40 years ago?

It’s a pretty picture on a package. Take the disc out and play it. Throw the artwork in the garbage and make your own. It won’t make one bit of difference.

[Show spoiler]

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Boland

Shelley had a great career through the 80s after The Shining.

She had her good and less good periods, throughout her entire future, through and after The Shining to the present day. The psychological mark that The Shining (Stanley) left on her had a much more emotional impact than the superficial financial one perceived by most people...public eye success.

▪ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/20...helley-duvall/

It wasn't fair what she endured @ the helms of Stanley Kubrick's sadistic character.
The guy is a great filmmaker but dysfunctional and unbalanced as a human being.
I think.

The most celebrated people have often a diabolical dark side.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by jrcorwin3

...spoils the ending of an incredibly successful and beloved film that was released nearly 40 years ago?

It’s a pretty picture on a package. Take the disc out and play it. Throw the artwork in the garbage and make your own. It won’t make one bit of difference.

[Show spoiler]

I like the people who create their own art covers for their favorite movies.
The Shining 4K is ok by me; I would simply like more of Jack. ...And Shelly too because without her Jack and Stanley would look like children playing @ the park in their sandbox.

[Boland]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

She had her good and less good periods, throughout her entire future, through and after The Shining to the present day. The psychological mark that The Shining (Stanley) left on her had a much more emotional impact than the superficial financial one perceived by most people...public eye success.

▪ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/20...helley-duvall/

It wasn't fair what she endured @ the helms of Stanley Kubrick's sadistic character.
The guy is a great filmmaker but dysfunctional and unbalanced as a human being.
I think.

The most celebrated people have often a diabolical dark side.

From the very article you linked to.

“Simplistic treatments will attribute Duvall's current state to Kubrick's treatment of her several decades ago. It’s impossible to speculate on either Duvall’s condition or how it developed. However, it is worth noting that she maintained a varied and successful career through the Eighties and even the early Nineties.”

Don’t try to draw some kind of parallel between her experience on the shining and her current issues with mental health. Don’t speculate.

[LordoftheRings]

I am discussing with you on The Shining's film director impactful influence on Shelly Duvall's psychological remnants throughout her entire career. If she would have known that Stanley was a sadistic sunnabaggun I'm not sure she would have signed in. She knows best about her life then and now.
Any success, money mean dickinos for some people; it's their brain that counts first...their mental and physical health and the future repercussions from bad real nightmares. He took a big toll on her, he abused her for life I truly believe. What do you think?

Speculate? Nobody here speculate, ever.

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I am discussing with you on The Shining's film director impact on Shelly Duvall's psychological influence throughout her entire career. If she would have known that Stanley was a sadistic sunnabaggun I'm not sure she would have signed in. She knows best about her life then and now.
Any success, money mean dickinos for some people; it's their brain that counts first...their mental and physical health and the future repercussions from bad real nightmares. He took a big toll on her, he abused her for life I truly believe. What do you think?

Speculate? Nobody here speculate, ever.

...sadistic? Dramatic much?

[LordoftheRings]

Hey, read about it in depth ...

I'm a big fan of Stanley Kubrick as a filmmaker ...

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Hey, read about it in depth ...

I'm a big fan of Stanley Kubrick as a filmmaker ...

I read about it in depth and all we can really do is speculate. Sorry bub.

I'm inclined to speculation that she went on to lead a fruitful career for a long time after The Shining, and at some point had enough. What she has gone through very well may be completely unrelated.

[Cherokee Jack]

HMV seems to have deleted their tweet that suggested their release of The Shining would have both the American and Euro cuts in 4K with HDR. Their Facebook post is still up however.

[monstermidget]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

I read about it in depth and all we can really do is speculate. Sorry bub.

I'm inclined to speculation that she went on to lead a fruitful career for a long time after The Shining, and at some point had enough. What she has gone through very well may be completely unrelated.

I'm willing to speculate, on multiple testimony and video evidence; Stanley abused her daily (and for a reasonably drawn out period of time) to get her to give the performance he wanted.

And to speculate further, if you look at any studies on humans put under that sort of stress for even a short period of time it causes all sorts of issues.
You can break a person down quite easily, military training for example, but at least in the case of the military you have a peer group to bond to, to support you...that is one of its major purposes of such training.

Under The behest of Stanley, Shelley had no such protective factors, no support group, no one to turn. She was made to cry for 12 hours a day, while the crew where told to offer her no sympathy.
This instituted isolation is probably more troubling than any of the verbal and coercive abuse she had to endure for almost the entirety of the films typically long shoot.
To come away from the experience completely unscathed, Shelly Duvall would have to have a kind of mental fortitude almost hereto unrecorded in mental health studies to this point.

As to how she kept working after The Shining if she had been so affected by the shoot, well its not that surprising is it? By now we all know that the mental health ramifications of traumatic experiences are often never immediate, but come up many years on down the line.

I love Kubrick's work but as a person...and his treatment of Shelley Duvall is inexcusable for me.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

I'm willing to speculate, on multiple testimony and video evidence; Stanley abused her daily (and for a reasonably drawn out period of time) to get her to give the performance he wanted.

And to speculate further, if you look at any studies on humans put under that sort of stress for even a short period of time it causes all sorts of issues.
You can break a person down quite easily, military training for example, but at least in the case of the military you have a peer group to bond to, to support you...that is one of its major purposes of such training.

Under The behest of Stanley, Shelley had no such protective factors, no support group, no one to turn. She was made to cry for 12 hours a day, while the crew where told to offer her no sympathy.
This instituted isolation is probably more troubling than any of the verbal and coercive abuse she had to endure for almost the entirety of the films typically long shoot.

I'm not arguing against any of this.

To come away from the experience completely unscathed, Shelly Duvall would have to have a kind of mental fortitude almost hereto unrecorded in mental health studies to this point.

Dude like, not to diminish how she was treated but you're acting like she literally went to war. Please.

As to how she kept working after The Shining if she had been so affected by the shoot, well its not that surprising is it? By now we all know that the mental health ramifications of traumatic experiences are often never immediate, but come up many years on down the line.

That's possible. That's why I said we don't know.

I love Kubrick's work but as a person...and his treatment of Shelley Duvall is inexcusable for me.

I'm not excusing it.