Batman: 4-Film Collection 4K UHDs (1989-1997)

[Nitroboy]

Originally Posted by Pyoko

No one knows how close the new Matrix grade is to the original, personally I suspect the hints of 2-strip Technicolor and and teal highlights are digital fabrications or exaggerations, but either way it looks like a manual approximation to a high degree, and not a fantastic one, as evidenced by the grading artifacts.

Yes, because we have pretty good 35mm versions floating around.
The 4K is closer to the theatrical timing, than any other home release.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by TPerryoo7

I'm getting the individuals, then selling them in August/September right before the Steelbook set. Say, $12-$14 each. I gotta have these right away, but I do prefer the steelbook set overall. That set is a bit cheaper too, so it kinda evens out haha.

This doesn't make any sense at all! Why buy the individual releases, if you're going to sell them shortly thereafter in the first place.

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[OlivusPrime]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

OH anyone confirm what at the end of Batman does it include Vicki Vale getting lint on her mouth/ tongue while kissing jokers purple jacket?

I kind of forget the various versions of that exchange. I believe on the old flipper DVD the WS side was different than the pan/scan

The version on the 4:3 flipper DVD is a mistake. If you watch the footage of her "enjoying it" closely, it's just the beginning of the shot where she begins talking to him. It's been a common misconception for years that it's an alternate take, but it's just accidentally repeated footage.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

I suppose I could sync up my original Blu-Ray from one player for the original audio track in HD with the 4K while it plays.

I never thought, watching a movie can turn into a major task. Wouldn't it be much easier and less work, if you just watch the movie the way it is on the disc?

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by slimdude

I never thought, watching a movie can turn into such a major task. Wouldn't it be much easier and less work, if you just watch the movie the way it is on the disc?

Ive done this with Atmos tracks that are absent on 3D editions.

As an aside, I love Atmos audio mixes. I like to also have the original audio mix in HD or PCM as an option. Not thrilled when films get all new sound effects redone much like Terminator and now 1989’s Batman.

WB could have easily included the DTS HD 5.1 mix of Batman or for any other catalog title, they could include original stereo / Mono tracks i PCM / HD format. They are just lazy, or leaving the window open for yet another release.

[theatom]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Ive done this with Atmos tracks that are absent on 3D editions.

As an aside, I love Atmos audio mixes. I like to also have the original audio mix in HD or PCM as an option. Not thrilled when films get all new sound effects redone much like Terminator and now 1989’s Batman.

WB could have easily included the DTS HD 5.1 mix of Batman or for any other catalog title, they could include original stereo / Mono tracks i PCM / HD format. They are just lazy, or leaving the window open for yet another release.

Why not pull the audio from a previous release you enjoy and mux it with the new remaster?

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by theatom

Why not pull the audio from a previous release you enjoy and mux it with the new remaster?

I don’t have the technical expertise or equipment to do so. Id prob mess it up haha

[Cherokee Jack]

Attention Barnes & Noble members:

The September 4K boxset is available for pre-order at BN for $89.99. There are several 20% off coupons floating around this weekend and they will work on this if your cashier is cool and manually overrides the system. Add on the standard 10% off for members and the total comes to $64.79 for the boxset or about $16.20 per film before tax. Codes won't go for as much in September but I'm still happy to be locked into a pretty good price.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Attention Barnes & Noble members:

The September 4K boxset is available for pre-order at BN for $89.99. There are several 20% off coupons floating around this weekend and they will work on this if your cashier is cool and manually overrides the system. Add on the standard 10% off for members and the total comes to $64.79 for the boxset or about $16.20 per film before tax. Codes won't go for as much in September but I'm still happy to be locked into a pretty good price.

"Holy YMMV, Batman!!" seems like an appropriate response.

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

WB could have easily included the DTS HD 5.1 mix of Batman or for any other catalog title, they could include original stereo / Mono tracks i PCM / HD format. They are just lazy, or leaving the window open for yet another release.

It's actually option C - they don't know nor care enough to do so.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

Yes, because we have pretty good 35mm versions floating around.
The 4K is closer to the theatrical timing, than any other home release.

Closer than previously would kind of have to be a given, still my other point stands, even if the colors were broadly correct when squinting, the method to get there was flawed.

[DMRI2006]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

WB could have easily included the DTS HD 5.1 mix of Batman or for any other catalog title, they could include original stereo / Mono tracks i PCM / HD format. They are just lazy, or leaving the window open for yet another release.

Jeez man the 5.1 IS on it. Yes I know it's "lossy" but do you really think you need to jump through hoops and sync up your old Blu-Ray just because the same mix lights up in DTS MA? The SUPERMAN UHD had the restored 70mm mix in 5.1 Dolby Digital and despite the fact it was "lossy" it also sounded great. Do you really not listen to that track just because it isn't in DTS MA?

EDIT - this 5.1 isn't the old 5.1 after all. See below comment for clarification

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by Robert Harris

there really isn't 4k information to be ferreted.

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

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Unless they removed it all

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

uh....yeah. I don't understand that "review." At all. And, yet, he gives it a perfect 5 star review.

I think Mr. Harris is just acknowledging that most of these films were shot at night or on stages with high-speed (400 or 500 ASA) color negative film that had a resolving power of around 100 lines per millimeter. So naturally, being 1.85:1 productions, that means a projection aperture of 20.96mm x 11.33mm, so that's around 2096x1133 digital equivalent. 2K Roughly.

Any daylight (100 ASA) stuff would be around 160 lines/mm, so about 3.3K.

Of course, nothing wrong with oversampling what's there. Might as well.

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

Jeez man the 5.1 IS on it. Yes I know it's "lossy" but do you really think you need to jump through hoops and sync up your old Blu-Ray just because the same mix lights up in DTS MA? The SUPERMAN UHD had the restored 70mm mix in 5.1 Dolby Digital and despite the fact it was "lossy" it also sounded great. Do you really not listen to that track just because it isn't in DTS MA?

If I wanted to hear DVD quality audio I would play a DVD

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

"Holy YMMV, Batman!!" seems like an appropriate response.

Absolutely but still worth a shot. I first tried getting a Target to honor the Cartwheel discount that had been applied to my order of the individual releases but wouldn't go through with no success before giving BN a go. The coupons they send me every month or so should have some use and I'm just thankful that my local BN makes my membership worthwhile for something other than Criterion purchases.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Ive done this with Atmos tracks that are absent on 3D editions.

As an aside, I love Atmos audio mixes. I like to also have the original audio mix in HD or PCM as an option. Not thrilled when films get all new sound effects redone much like Terminator and now 1989’s Batman.

WB could have easily included the DTS HD 5.1 mix of Batman or for any other catalog title, they could include original stereo / Mono tracks i PCM / HD format. They are just lazy, or leaving the window open for yet another release.

There is no way I would go through all of that rigmarole, practically redoing the soundtrack, syncing the audio and so forth to watch a movie. Whatever floats your boat.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by slimdude

There is no way I would go through all of that rigmarole, practically redoing the soundtrack, syncing the audio and so forth to watch a movie. Whatever floats your boat.

Not to mention that this is a new transfer so there may be a difference in timing and frames. It's really not worth it

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

EDIT - this 5.1 isn't the old 5.1 after all. See below comment for clarification

[jonam]

Originally Posted by Markgway

What he means to say is that the 5.1 lossy mix included on these new discs is just a down mix of the new Atmos tinkered mix and not the original Theatrical mix included on the older blu ray from 10 years ago.

[jasonlives314]

So.....let me get this straight. The new 4K releases only contain the new revisionist audio tracks with the newly changed sound effects? There's no audio track with the original sfx?