The Fugitive - Silent Re-repressing with VC-1 instead of MPEG-2? - Blu-ray Forum

that1guystudios · 02-24-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

Ahhh...mine still has the Bonus Features not rated.

I'm going to have to do a little exchange!

The back of my bought copy (with the corrected VC-1 encode) looks exactly like the one posted on page 1 of this thread. The rental copy (MPEG-2) is different.

I'll type the logos out from left to right in order...since they seem to be in a different order.

VC-1 Encode:
BRLogo - PG13 - SDH - Copy Protection - Recycle - 130 mins - C14 - DolbyD
"bonus material not rated" (In small print underneath PG-13 Logo)

The MPEG-2 Encode (The rental copy I have) Looks like this:
BR Logo - SDH - "Special Features Not Rated" - PG-13 - Rest Same As Above.

DigitalfreakNYC · 02-24-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by that1guypictures

The back of my package (with the corrected VC-1 encode) looks exactly like the one posted on page 1 of this thread.

BRLogo - PG13 - SDH - Copy Protection - Recycle - 130 mins - C14 - DolbyD
"bonus material not rated" (In small print underneath PG-13 Logo)

Are you saying that the old one (the MPEG 2 case) looks like this?:
BR Logo - SDH - "Special Features Not Rated" - PG-13 - Rest Same As Above?

Apparently he's saying that his version has no "special features not rated" on his packaging at all.

neo_reloaded · 02-24-2009, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

Apparently he's saying that his version has no "special features not rated" on his packaging at all.

I missed the small text under the PG-13 box, it is actually there after further inspection.

that1guystudios · 02-24-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

I missed the small text under the PG-13 box, it is actually there after further inspection.

Well at least the mystery is solved. If the logos are in one order it's VC-1, and if it's the other, it's MPEG-2. At least until someone proves the theory wrong. I'm just glad I got the right one without even trying. ;-) good luck to everyone else!

Clark Kent · 02-24-2009, 04:07 AM

We now need someone to post the BDInfo scans for each disc to compare. Was the HD DVD ever scanned? Did the HD DVD have the crew member excised or did Warner actually create a new encode for this Blu-ray? Someone should really ask Jeff Kleist in the insider forum as he has good contacts at Warner.

neo_reloaded · 02-24-2009, 06:32 AM

I don't think this is really worth getting too bothered about. Admittedly I'm not doing direct side-by-side comparisons, but I don't see a real difference between the two encodes - both look pretty bad in general, with the vertical aliasing and some funky encoding in general. And while I suppose the fix that removes the crew member's head is nice to have, 1080p really shows how crappy a job they even did at that - it looks like a blobby Clone Stamp from the surrounding material, still very noticeably a flaw.

In all honesty, the best thing you can do to avoid the flaw is to never find out about it. Now that I know about it, both the guy's head and the poor cover-up stand out to me. If I'd never seen the screenshots, I probably never would have noticed it.

STARSCREAM · 02-24-2009, 07:26 AM

Nice work on finding this out.

DigitalfreakNYC · 02-24-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by that1guypictures

Well at least the mystery is solved. If the logos are in one order it's VC-1, and if it's the other, it's MPEG-2. At least until someone proves the theory wrong. I'm just glad I got the right one without even trying. ;-) good luck to everyone else!

Well...*ahem*....I might be the guinea pig. That's how mine is...with the writing under the rating.

Dubstar · 02-24-2009, 02:10 PM

unfortunately, this should have had lossless audio, since the train crash and ending were quite intense in the theatrical mix of the film.

Heart&Soul · 02-26-2009, 12:39 PM

Wouldn't it cost Warner to create the VC-1? Why would they do that and how much would it cost?

PeterTHX · 02-26-2009, 03:21 PM

They do their encoding in-house so not too much compared to other companies.

saginawjuggalo · 02-28-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Heart&Soul

Wouldn't it cost Warner to create the VC-1? Why would they do that and how much would it cost?

I think the question should be, why spent the money to re-encode and not improve the video and yet downgrade the audio

LORDs_angellos · 02-26-2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

VC-1 Encode:
BRLogo - PG13 - SDH - Copy Protection - Recycle - 130 mins - C14 - DolbyD
"bonus material not rated" (In small print underneath PG-13 Logo)

The MPEG-2 Encode (The rental copy I have) Looks like this:
BR Logo - SDH - "Special Features Not Rated" - PG-13 - Rest Same As Above.

Sweet! I have the VC-1 encode version.

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02-24-2009, 04:07 AM	#5
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	We now need someone to post the BDInfo scans for each disc to compare. Was the HD DVD ever scanned? Did the HD DVD have the crew member excised or did Warner actually create a new encode for this Blu-ray? Someone should really ask Jeff Kleist in the insider forum as he has good contacts at Warner.

02-24-2009, 06:32 AM	#6
neo_reloaded Banned Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:416 Trading Score:72	I don't think this is really worth getting too bothered about. Admittedly I'm not doing direct side-by-side comparisons, but I don't see a real difference between the two encodes - both look pretty bad in general, with the vertical aliasing and some funky encoding in general. And while I suppose the fix that removes the crew member's head is nice to have, 1080p really shows how crappy a job they even did at that - it looks like a blobby Clone Stamp from the surrounding material, still very noticeably a flaw. In all honesty, the best thing you can do to avoid the flaw is to never find out about it. Now that I know about it, both the guy's head and the poor cover-up stand out to me. If I'd never seen the screenshots, I probably never would have noticed it.

02-24-2009, 07:26 AM	#7
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	Nice work on finding this out.

02-24-2009, 02:10 PM	#9
Dubstar Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:down at Fraggle Rock Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:201 Blu-ray collection:1953 DVD collection:304 MA collection:4 Digital collection:33 Trading Score:29	unfortunately, this should have had lossless audio, since the train crash and ending were quite intense in the theatrical mix of the film.

02-26-2009, 12:39 PM	#10
Heart&Soul Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Oregon 4K collection:167 Blu-ray collection:725 Blu-ray reviews:50	Wouldn't it cost Warner to create the VC-1? Why would they do that and how much would it cost?

02-26-2009, 03:21 PM	#11
PeterTHX Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray collection:563 Trading Score:14	They do their encoding in-house so not too much compared to other companies.

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