Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Xtempo

All the Laserdiscs were the On-Air versions so Evangelion GENESIS 0:X had both OA and the Director's cut. This is the listing for it.
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Genesis 0:X (1996) [3SLG 2]

So he only kept the one with Shinji on the cover and purple sides?

Actually, that's incorrect. The LDs for the 11th and 12th volumes (episodes 21' - 24') were of the "Director's Cut", which is why there was a long delay of 14 months between the 10th and 11th volumes.

The only releases that ever had the broadcast versions of 21-24 were the Genesis 0:X VHS/LD releases from 1999, the "Second Impact Box #2" DVD box from 2001, and the "Archives of Evangleion" DVD set from 2015.

Another thing to note is that the "OA" versions of 21-24 on the Renewal / Platinum releases were basically the remastered Director's Cuts with the extra scenes excised. As such, it doesn't reflect how those four episodes were initially broadcast.

[Zhou]

I thought more people would complain about the fact that Dan Kanemitsu made the same mistake as Manga Entertainment's translator with Misato's line about Adam and Lilith in End of Evangelion. He translated 私達人間もね、アダムと同じリリスと呼ばれる、生命体の源から生まれた as 'like Adam, we humans also come from the source of life called Lilith", when the correct translation would be "we humans were born from a being called Lilith, who is a source of life just like Adam".

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Seems pretty clear to me that they intentionally or unintentionally de-gayed the situation.

From Justin Sevakis's Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/worldofcrap/stat...22986201182208

Anno has previously said he didn't mean their love to be gay

I err on the side of intentional, driven from the licensors in Japan.

[InuYashaCrusade]

If the creator himself is saying that he didn't intend for it to be gay, that's enough proof for me.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Lutz

Saying we’re all alike is a huge disservice to this issue and some people will see it as erasure.

No one said everyone is the same. That doesn't "erase" anything and a work of fiction doesn't "erase" anything, much less the specific translation they used. You bring that on to yourself.

Gay representation matters.

Fictional characters represent themselves

It especially matters for kids who can’t be out and find love and acceptance with their peers or family.

It does

I can’t speak for kids these days but 20 years ago when we saw this the times were brutally homophobic.

That's fair. BTW there's parts of the world where being gay is technically illegal, whether or not you'd like to talk about that is a discussion for another day. The more I think about it, comparing this discourse to "brutal homophobia" is kinda insulting and diminishing of homophobia itself.

I personally grew up with none in my life till I moved 30-some minutes away and started a new school. (at the time I was living in Missouri) It was pretty jarring because through homophobia I learnt being gay even had a descriptor. What I went through is nothing comparable to people's interpretations of a cartoon, nor is it comparable to the dialogue "change" everyone is mad at. It's not even the same thing. Hey, that's opinions for you.

Originally Posted by Lutz

If your problems aren't being killed/imprisoned/tortured for who you are while having your literature and history destroyed then, I'm sorry, those problems *are* more important than yours.

You're bringing identity politics into this yourself. That's not what Evangelion is about.

BTW not everyone is the same, as you said. Gay people aren't a hive mind collective. I don't appreciate that sort of inferrence toward me. lmao

This isn't about name calling or some minor inconvenience making gay people uncomfortable so don't try and downplay it like "we all have problems" or "we're all the same can't we just get along". Take ownership of that bull.

No one's downplaying anything. You can bring what you want to the show and if the possibility it isn't what you think is a reality, that's on you.

[Bobo1313]

Kaworu was clearly infatuated with Shinji, like a God observing a unique subject, how some people see that as sexually attracted is beyond me.

[Footlong Shoe]

Originally Posted by InuYashaCrusade

If the creator himself is saying that he didn't intend for it to be gay, that's enough proof for me.

Problem with that is, there are plenty of sources that say the opposite, so I'm not sure where Sevakis got that info.

[Show spoiler]

[Bobo1313]

Yeah Anno loves doing things like that, he'll say something one day then the total opposite the next. Honestly we'll never know what his true intentions were. Which is what I think he wants.

[Lutz]

Originally Posted by Bobo1313

Give it a rest dude. Every race/religion/sex gets killed/imprisoned/totured, no one has exclusivity to hardships. I'm so tired of the oppression Olympics.

You think you’re tired from just listening to someone give their opinion well I’m EXHAUSTED from not being able to do simple things for MY ENTIRE LIFE that hets take for granted. Show some empathy.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Bobo1313

Yeah Anno loves doing things like that, he'll say something one day then the total opposite the next. Honestly we'll never know what his true intentions were. Which is what I think he wants.

You are CLEARLY committing identity erasure in feeling this way?? Oh boy am I getting my callout READY.

[Mikezilla3k]

At this point, I'm just like:

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Lutz

You think you’re tired from just listening to someone give their opinion well I’m EXHAUSTED from not being able to do simple things for MY ENTIRE LIFE that hets take for granted. Show some empathy.

You have your own self agency. You're your own greatest enemy holding yourself back, not anybody else.
And yes, I did and still do have problems from fear of homophobia so think before you assume I've never dealt with anything before.

Also lmao "hets" please, show some empathy for people who aren't the same orientation as you

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by dlb99

The reaction to the new dub is hilarious, and totally expected. Anime community has not been this heated since the Vic drama.

The new dub is serviceable. I am not hearing anything that I dislike.
The only dub was also serviceable (if somewhat inconsistent).

I watched the old dub back in the day, now watching the new one. I don't feel like I am missing anything.

The new dub certainly is not bad. I can understand some folks preferring the old, but calling the new one bad is wrong.

For a bad dub witness the first release of A.I.C.O on Netflix. That was an awful dub. Note, that has since be debubbed, and is much better now.

Anno and Studio Khara wanted this, they wanted a new dub with an emphasis on the things they want. Don't kid yourself otherwise. This was not driven by Netflix revisionism, this is Anno (maybe with a small case of George Lucas disease).

The HD video is outstanding by the way. Looks beautiful on my big screen.

Hasn't been much of a reaction to the dub on this forum.

[Lutz]

Originally Posted by Bobo1313

Assuming your American what can't you do? And people like you abuse the empathy card, I have empathy for anyone that needs it and don't for people that demand it.

Go to your nearest suburban shopping centre and walk around holding hands with your male friend. Then leave the shopping centre walking around holding hands in the car park where security won’t come to your rescue. Then come back here and tell me how you felt and then let’s have this conversation again.

Are you afraid to do that?

[LordCrumb]

This is not the place for that kind of discussion. It's gone past the subtext of the anime now. Drop it.

[Mikezilla3k]

Anyway, does anyone here thinks Pink Floyd works really well with Evangelion?

[Bobo1313]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

This is not the place for that kind of discussion. It's gone past the subtext of the anime now. Drop it.

I was asked a question, I have a inability to not answer questions. Your right though, I'm going to delete the posts. Sorry everyone, I will try to not let people get to me.

[Bobo1313]

Anyways back on subject...... Rei is best girl

[Mikezilla3k]

Originally Posted by Bobo1313

Anyways back on subject...... Rei is best girl

Ritsuko is best girl. (although Rei's a close second)

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by Thedoctor2016

I used to watch dubs but since what FUNI did to Free never again. For Evangelion I chose sub years ago because it keeps the same cast for the Rebuilds none of the dubs do that, and god knows who 3.0+1.0's will have as its cast I bet both. As I bet Khara will do Worldwide release.

Things like Free!: Eternal Summer, Prison School, and Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid caused me to become very paranoid about newer dubs and with nearly all modern anime now, I watch them subbed-only. I generally watch most of my anime subbed, but I will watch many older shows dubbed.

Also I'll generally avoid Steven Foster dubs like the plague unless there's situations where it's the only version available for streaming. Why is Pani Poni Dash! still streaming dubbed-only after all this time FUNimation? You first streamed the Sojitz titles dubbed-only, then after your subscription service launched around 2011, you finally began offering the subbed versions too, except for Pani Poni Dash!. That dub pronounced "Tachibana" like "Takibana" Why you gotta make that happen Steven Foster?

BTW, the dub for Le Chevalier D'Eon is not bad from what I remember despite being a Steven Foster dub.