Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, and age groups drop off with millennials and younger. Their target audience (future audiences). Sky’s premier league bidding war with B.T was cheaper than last time around. Another sign that live sports broadcasts are losing their value.

Maybe these millenials that you rail against increasingly prefer to play soccer than to watch it? That's how I feel about most sports; I see most of them as fun to play, but dull to watch. Maybe they like the NFL better? It's doing great.

It appears octagon has discovered that you were wrong before I could even reply. Not surprising; being wrong a lot is something that you have in common with another of our members. Along with ignoring science, facts, citations, and anything that does not fit your agenda.

The $86.1 billion in sports TV revenue sure looks like a healthy income to me.

You really, really sound like one of those old codgers constantly yelling about "those damn kids" when one day they will likely save your ass. Add in your phone phobia and you are enough to keep a team of therapists gainfully employed.

[Steedeel]

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/01...napchat-and-co

Even more relevant in 2019.

Besides sport, the likes of the BBC are experimenting with documentaries in vertical format on Snapchat and other social media tv options. Their famous Panorama documentary was for the first time ever, made exclusively for a mobile audience in short form format. This and other projects are becoming the norm as more and more 16-24 year olds watch content via social media rather than traditional tv.

[Vilya]

Every segment of every market gets introduced to new products and services. It's what marketing does. That's nothing new. They always want us to consume more of whatever they're peddling.

Of course there will be more content for mobile devices same as there will be more content for streaming services and more content on TV and more content for physical media and more content for digital purchases and more movies at the theater and more books and more music and more more, period.

Your article just cites opinions for the most part; it contains few hard statistics and the few that it does offer they are not entirely sure as to what is causing them. It does not define or even quantify what they mean by the "Snapchat" generation. It gives no numbers for how many Snapchatters do not own TVs it only suggests that the number is "striking." These are not facts; they are mere conjecture.

I use a phone, a tablet, a desktop computer, and a TV for different reasons and none of these choices is under any threat. They are just options. I'll watch a youtube video on any of them, but I only watch long form content on my TV. I will be able to keep doing so, too. All while seated for extended periods and even while eating a vegan veggie burger if I wish.

Even so, no one in that article went so far as to say that viewing sports on TVs was in any danger. That bunk is all from you.

You do this every time anything new is discussed for mobile consumption. You instantly draw the erroneous conclusion that long form content and TVs are doomed when there is ZERO evidence to show any decline in demand for either one.

TV sales are UP. Worldwide. Subscribers to pay TV services are up globally. Box office attendance is up and largely driven by young audiences. TVs, pay TV service, and movies are all still being enjoyed by every demographic. None of these are in any danger.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Every segment of every market gets introduced to new products and services. It's what marketing does. That's nothing new. They always want us to consume more of whatever they're peddling.

Of course there will be more content for mobile devices same as there will be more content for streaming services and more content on TV and more content for physical media and more content for digital purchases and more movies at the theater and more books and more music and more more, period.

Your article just cites opinions for the most part; it contains few hard statistics and the few that it does offer they are not entirely sure as to what is causing them. It does not define or even quantify what they mean by the "Snapchat" generation. It gives no numbers for how many Snapchatters do not own TVs it only suggests that the number is "striking." These are not facts; they are mere conjecture.

Even so, no one in that article went so far as to say that viewing sports on TVs was in any danger. That bunk is all from you.

You do this every time anything new is discussed for mobile consumption. You instantly draw the erroneous conclusion that long form content and TVs are doomed when there is ZERO evidence to show any decline in demand for either one.

TV sales are UP. Worldwide. Subscribers to pay TV services are up globally. Box office attendance is up and largely driven by young audiences. TVs, pay TV service, and movies are all still being enjoyed by every demographic. None of these are in any danger.

And what happens to our beloved tv screens when this younger age group (millienials downward) reach middle age? No way do they suddenly and miraculously move onto a tv screen when many have already skipped that option. The old and new have to meet at some point.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And what happens to our beloved tv screens when this younger age group (millienials downward) reach middle age? No way do they suddenly and miraculously move onto a tv screen when many have already skipped that option. The old and new have to meet at some point.

There's nothing miraculous about buying a TV. It is a home furnishing customarily purchased when one rents or buys a residence. It is a simple progression from living at one's parent's house to having a home of one's own.

Those same young people probably own very few pieces of furniture and few appliances but, lo and behold, when they get a home of their own, they furnish it with all of these things and more besides. I bought my first TV when I was 23.

While entirely anecdotal, I have some millenials, still in college, living next door to me and they recently purchased themselves a nice 55" 4K TV. I seriously doubt that they are some rare freakish exception.

I reiterate that there is no evidence that shows any decline in demand for TVs or for movies. Demand for both is actually UP. The sales data does not lie.

[The_Donster]

Dude (Steedeel), you are seriously talking out of your ass and grasping at straws at this point. That is why you are singled out and been reduced to GIF comments. We’re very aware there is a world outside of our own. Are you?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Dude (Steedeel), you are seriously talking out of your ass and grasping at straws at this point. That is why you are singled out and been reduced to GIF comments. We’re very aware there is a world outside of our own. Are you?

Why is that? Please explain. Every single one of my conclusions has basis in reality. I’m listening.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There is more at stake than disc v digital. With digital, we eventually lose the right to the living room tv.

I overlooked this pearl!

You are really outdoing yourself today.

Nothing about digital or streaming is imperiling our ability to own a TV. Nothing. It actually increases the desire to own one as it makes access to varied content so easy and so affordable.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why is that? Please explain. Every single one of my conclusions has basis in reality. I’m listening.

Actually, no, they do not. Your "conclusions" are just delusions.

If there was any basis in reality to what you have been ranting about, people would be replying to support your statements. No one is. No one ever does.

I hate to break it to you, but you are not some genius visionary who alone can foretell the future. You are just an anxiety riddled worry wart obsessed with endless "what if" scenarios.

All you do is to take any and all marketing announcements for mobile devices and label it a threat to everything else. That's it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Actually, no, they do not. Your "conclusions" are just delusions.

All you do is to take any and all entertainment marketing announcements for mobile devices and label it a threat to everything else. That's it.

Yeah I imagined it all. The industry isn’t focusing on content for phones and investing billions upon billions in short form content. Mobile content hasn’t increased over the last five years. Mobile viewing hasn’t overtaken tv viewing time. I imagined it all.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And what happens to our beloved tv screens when this younger age group (millienials downward) reach middle age?

Oh! I know this one.

Our beloved tv screens will be nine short years away from extinction when this younger age group reaches middle age.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah I imagined it all. The industry isn’t focusing on content for phones and investing billions upon billions in short form content. Mobile content hasn’t increased over the last five years. Mobile viewing hasn’t overtaken tv viewing time. I imagined it all.

Not the point and you know it. Just a lame attempt to deflect. Mentioning something that no one contests, the popularity of mobile devices, in NO way supports your unhinged fear of a dark future without movies and TVs.

No one has denied that mobile device usage has a bright future. No one.

Content has increased for all delivery methods. TV, physical media, cinema, and subscription streaming of traditional length TV shows and movies all have more content and more is coming still. Mobile is not the only market; each and every market is seeing more content. More content is being made for all of these viewing platforms because there is real demand for it.

Mobile viewing has not overtaken TV screen viewing time except for possibly one demographic and that demographic is very young and likely not in possession of their own home yet. They also tend to be very busy with college and likely a job or two to pay for it. Of course they use their mobile devices more; they are rarely home. None of that proves that they have less interest in owning or watching a TV; it only shows that they are very busy. And very mobile.

None of what you said, or have been saying, supports your absolutely ludicrous conclusion that movies and TVs are in trouble. No one agrees with you and no one is defending your silly predictions. Long form content and the sales of new TVs are all doing fine and the demand for both is UP. Real sales data, box office receipts, TV ratings, and the popularity of traditional length streamed content all prove it.

[Gretiem]

My god why do you guys keep replying to him?

[Vilya]

He's actually a nice guy; he just has a really negative outlook. Take away his crystal ball and he's a different person.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Gretiem

My god why do you guys keep replying to him?

Why wouldn’t they? It’s a forum? is that how you handle any situation in life you don’t agree with? Just ignore?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not the point and you know it. Just a lame attempt to deflect. Mentioning something that no one contests, the popularity of mobile devices, in NO way supports your unhinged fear of a dark future without movies and TVs.

No one has denied that mobile device usage has a bright future. No one.

Content has increased for all delivery methods. TV, physical media, cinema, and subscription streaming of traditional length TV shows and movies all have more content and more is coming still. Mobile is not the only market; each and every market is seeing more content. More content is being made for all of these viewing platforms because there is real demand for it.

Mobile viewing has not overtaken TV screen viewing time except for possibly one demographic and that demographic is very young and likely not in possession of their own home yet. They also tend to be very busy with college and likely a job or two to pay for it. Of course they use their mobile devices more; they are rarely home. None of that proves that they have less interest in owning or watching a TV; it only shows that they are very busy. And very mobile.

None of what you said, or have been saying, supports your absolutely ludicrous conclusion that movies and TVs are in trouble. No one agrees with you and no one is defending your silly predictions. Long form content and the sales of new TVs are all doing fine and the demand for both is UP. Real sales data, box office receipts, TV ratings, and the popularity of traditional length streamed content all prove it.

Mobile viewing overtaken tv for the average American, age group not specified.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Movies, TV shows, YouTube videos, mobile videos, streaming shows, novels, short stories, magazines, newspapers, video games, paintings, drawings, photographs, pornography, full sports games, sports highlights, comic books, graphic novels, textbooks, dictionaries, encyclopedias, and many other types of media all co-exist and are available on an ever-growing variety of devices.

Some of them are more popular than others and but none of them are in danger of disappearing. New forms of media have never obliterated the previous ones. Even if short form mobile videos become the most popular type of media there is no chance that any of the other types will disappear. The world is a enormous place with lots of different types of people who have a huge variety of tastes and preferences.

The idea that forms of media that are currently enjoyed by literally billions of people worldwide will be gone in a few decades is absolutely absurd.

The only disappearance that I ever contemplate is my own. All of the things that you mention will continue to be here long after I have left the stage just as many of them have existed long before I ever stepped foot upon it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The only disappearance that I contemplate is my own. All of the things that you mention will continue to be here long after I have left the stage just as many of them have existed long before I ever stepped foot upon it.

I would be joining you if there were no films!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would be joining you if there were no films!

You will be "joining" me regardless. In the fullness of time, of course. Just build your own damn Pyramid; mine only has room for me and my movie hoard.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You will be "joining" me regardless. In the fullness of time, of course. Just build your own damn Pyramid; mine only has room for me and my movie hoard.

No, I meant prematurely obviously.