Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (1977-1983)

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Do you know for sure it's large enough for EVERY creature that Jabba might be friends with?

Well, they managed to get the Rancor beast in there. If another entrance exists, it should be large enough to accommodate anything else at least that big.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

I hadn't thought about that, was too busy paying attention to the story

Wow, great minds really DO think alike!!!

[JEDGAR1000]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

Well, they managed to get the Rancor beast in there. If another entrance exists, it should be large enough to accommodate anything else at least that big.

Rancor could've been brought in as a baby.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Wow, great minds really DO think alike!!!

One would hope anyway.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

Or maybe he doesn't think about it as much as you do?

Who said Lucas whines about it or that Ridley Scott didn't complain? And I believe Scott actually did complain about it.

If you can provide a quote from Scott in which he complained about the theatrical cut of Blade Runner co-existing with his final cut I’d like to see it. The only quote I’m aware of is what he said in his introduction to the film on the DVD/Blu-ray release, which was basically “This isn’t my preferred version of Blade Runner but I know it has its fans, so I hope you enjoy it.”

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions about Lucas' feelings and you can't possibility know what is going on in his head.

Maybe he only doesn't allow the original OT out just to wind people up.

I’m not so much jumping to conclusions as I am speculating about what his reasons are. He’s also lied about the OT in the past.

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

And aren't all films getting altered now anyway? Remastering a film is changing from it's original state.

Cleaning up some dirt and scratches isn’t the same thing as adding several CGI rats and a brontosaurus walking across the screen filling up the entire frame.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by JEDGAR1000

Rancor could've been brought in as a baby.

How do you know the Rancor we saw wasn't a baby?

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by JEDGAR1000

Rancor could've been brought in as a baby.

It’s a possibility. The keeper was quite attached to it.

[ManOfTheForest]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If you can provide a quote from Scott in which he complained about the theatrical cut of Blade Runner co-existing with his final cut I’d like to see it. The only quote I’m aware of is what he said in his introduction to the film on the DVD/Blu-ray release, which was basically “This isn’t my preferred version of Blade Runner but I know it has its fans, so I hope you enjoy it.”



I’m not so much jumping to conclusions as I am speculating about what his reasons are. He’s also lied about the OT in the past.



Cleaning up some dirt and scratches isn’t the same thing as adding several CGI rats and a brontosaurus walking across the screen filling up the entire frame.

As I said in my post I “believe” Scott complained - meaning I think so, meaning that is not definite.

No I’m not going to spend my time researching that because my point was you don’t know that Scott never whined about Blade Runner any more than you know Lucas whines about Star Wars.

However we do know that you whine about it. ;

Speculating and jumping to conclusions are the same thing.

It actually is because there are alternations being made to the original film.

And anyway Star Wars required a lot more work than that.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

As I said in my post I “believe” Scott complained - meaning I think so, meaning that is not definite.

No I’m not going to spend my time researching that because my point was you don’t know that Scott never whined about Blade Runner any more than you know Lucas whines about Star Wars.

Either way the point is Scott is fine with it being released and has said he doesn’t prefer it but he knows it has its fans. He talked about it in a reasonable and respectful way.

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

However we do know that you whine about it. ;

Ouch.

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

Speculating and jumping to conclusions are the same thing.

No. Speculating means you’re theorizing what the truth might be while jumping to conclusions means you’ve decided what you think the outcome is with little or no evidence.

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

It actually is because there are alternations being made to the original film.

And anyway Star Wars required a lot more working than that.

Okay, if you think cleaning up dirt amounts to the same thing as adding in a cartoon dinosaur you’re free to think that.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

That's like saying Michaelangelo should have hired some unknown artist to "fix" his frescos.

Hyperbole isn’t meant to be taken literally.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Hyperbole isn’t meant to be taken literally.

That was hyperbole?!?!

[ManOfTheForest]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Either way the point is Scott is fine with it being released and has said he doesn’t prefer it but he knows it has its fans. He talked about it in a reasonable and respectful way.



Ouch.



No. Speculating means you’re theorizing what the truth might be while jumping to conclusions means you’ve decided what you think the outcome is with little or no evidence.



Okay, if you think cleaning up dirt amounts to the same thing as adding in a cartoon dinosaur you’re free to think that.

Do you are saying that Scott (and others) had no emotional reaction it engaged in no drama with studio executives over the cut of Blade Rubber to be released?

How do you know Scott is not lying about being fine with it? He couldn’t seem to leave the film alone with different versions being released so clearly he was not fine with it.

Seems to to me you just want to have a go at Lucas.

Where is is your evidence regarding Lucas’ emotional state or motivation? You seem to be “speculating” with no evidence.

Well it is true. You are the one doing all the complaining.

Cleaning a film and removing scratches. Remastering movies for HD and 4K. Upgrading the audio track.

All of that is altering a movie from its original state. It really is no different to making the special editions.

And apart from adding VFX there was a ton more work done to A New Hope that “removing dirt and scratches“.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

Do you are saying that Scott (and others) had no emotional reaction it engaged in no drama with studio executives over the cut of Blade Rubber to be released?

How do you know Scott is not lying about being fine with it? He couldn’t seem to leave the film alone with different versions being released so clearly he was not fine with it.

Seems to to me you just want to have a go at Lucas.

Where is is your evidence regarding Lucas’ emotional state or motivation? You seem to be “speculating” with no evidence.

Well it is true. You are the one doing all the complaining.

Cleaning a film and removing scratches. Remastering movies for HD and 4K. Upgrading the audio track.

All of that is altering a movie from its original state. It really is no different to making the special editions.

And apart from adding VFX there was a ton more work done to A New Hope that “removing dirt and scratches“.

However Scott actually feels about the existence of the theatrical cut of Blade Runner doesn’t matter. It’s out there and he has said things that indicate he’s fine with it being out there. If you want to believe he’s not fine with it, go ahead.

If I “just want to have a go at Lucas” it’s because there’s no logical reason why the theatrical cuts of the OT can’t coexist with the special editions.

Your belief that all changes done to a film are equal makes no sense. By that logic the only way to watch a film in its original version is to see it in its initial theatrical run.

[Rodney-2187]

The technology just wasn’t available to have Greedo shoot first in 1977.

[ManOfTheForest]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

However Scott actually feels about the existence of the theatrical cut of Blade Runner doesn’t matter. It’s out there and he has said things that indicate he’s fine with it being out there. If you want to believe he’s not fine with it, go ahead.

If I “just want to have a go at Lucas” it’s because there’s no logical reason why the theatrical cuts of the OT can’t coexist with the special editions.

Your belief that all changes done to a film are equal makes no sense. By that logic the only way to watch a film in its original version is to see it in its initial theatrical run.

So however Scott actually feels about it all doesn't matter as long as her sys he is fine with it? Yet it is okay for you make stuff up about Lucas?

I don't have any belief about how Scott feels about anything. You selected Scott as a comparison and I'm simply pointing out that you don't actually know what either man thinks.

There is a "logical reason" why the original version of the films are not available. Lucas doesn't what them to be available.

We might not agree with it but that does not make his decision "illogical".

All changes are equal because it altering the original state.
And have Alfred Hitchcock or Charlie Chaplin approved of HD remasters of their movies or the upgrading of the audio to Dolby Digital 5.1?

When it came to light that Abrams and Kasdan were using the same bad guys (right down to armour and ship designs) in Episode VII, I wish people had channeled the energy they use to complain about Lucas (who actually did always try new things) into doing something that would have made Lucasfilm take a pause and actually delivering something special that was worthy of both the cast and Han Solo's death instead of a live action adaptation of what was wrong with the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The fact the Last Jedi is the divisive movie of the series and not Force Awakens says some people just want he same thing over and over and something new.

The only wrong thing Lucas did was not make the sequels himself with Disney as distributor.

[BladeRunner2007]

Lucas is ashamend of the unaltered OT, as he feels these are unfinished movies. Workprints so to speak, that were never meant to be seen by the public. At least, that's what he said a long time ago. We all know that's BS. He also wants to erase them from the planet. Idiot.

Scott on the other hand openly states that he dislikes the Theatrical Cut of Blade Runner, yet he is aware of its fans and gives everyone the option to enjoy this version by releasing it on Blu-ray. Same goes for the so-called Director's Cut. He did manage to finally release his Final Cut 25 years later on Blu-ray, and he is very happy about it. He feels this is the best version, but he doesn't force his opinion on everyone else like Lucas does. That's the big difference between them. Lucas' ego is his own downfall.

[Jimllfaxit]

Han Solo suddenly turns into The Flash when Greedo shoots.

[ManOfTheForest]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

Lucas is ashamend of the unaltered OT, as he feels these are unfinished movies. Workprints so to speak, that were never meant to be seen by the public. At least, that's what he said a long time ago. We all knows that BS. He also wants to erase them from the planet. Idiot.

Scott on the other hand openly states that he dislikes the Theatrical Cut of Blade Runner, yet he is aware of its fans and gives everyone the option to enjoy this version by releasing it on Blu-ray. Same goes for the so-called Director's Cut. He did manage to finally release his Final Cut 25 years later on Blu-ray, and he is very happy about it. He feels this is the best version, but he doesn't force his opinion on everyone else like Lucas does. That's the big difference between them. Lucas' ego is his own downfall.

Has Lucas used the word "ashamed"?

Star Wars was Lucas' property and he can do what he likes. How do you know Scott wasn't just milking the movie for more cash?
Downfall? What downfall?

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by ManOfTheForest

Has Lucas used the word "ashamed"?

Star Wars was Lucas' property and he can do what he likes. Scott doesn't own Blade Runner.

Downfall? What downfall?

Downfall as in he became the most hated man in the Star Wars universe. Most SW fans hate him for his stupid tinkering and childish behavior of banning the unalterted OT. It just comes off as if he's deliberately demolishing the OT with every subsequent release just to get his point across, that SW is HIS, not OURS. He can do whatever he likes. Sure, he can. But don't forget Lucas: we are the ones that made SW so successful in the first place. Not you. Without us, SW wouldn't be the cultural phenomenom that it is today. We gave you all your fortune. So please give us the versions that made you rich in the first place, George. Thank you.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

Lucas is ashamend of the unaltered OT, as he feels these are unfinished movies. Workprints so to speak, that were never meant to be seen by the public. At least, that's what he said a long time ago. We all know that's BS. He also wants to erase them from the planet. Idiot.

Scott on the other hand openly states that he dislikes the Theatrical Cut of Blade Runner, yet he is aware of its fans and gives everyone the option to enjoy this version by releasing it on Blu-ray. Same goes for the so-called Director's Cut. He did manage to finally release his Final Cut 25 years later on Blu-ray, and he is very happy about it. He feels this is the best version, but he doesn't force his opinion on everyone else like Lucas does. That's the big difference between them. Lucas' ego is his own downfall.

I actually like the voice over in BR that the theatrical edition has. But, when I watch the movie I go for the DC like every time. To me, movies should be released with each version. There is no reason NOT to do this other than....well....I dunno. Especially in UHD where that’s supposed to be the pinnacle of home entertainment. Alien recently got this right with having the theatrical and the alternate cut on the same disc. I’m hoping they do the same thing with any Star Wars UHD releases.

Honestly, I prefer the special editions of the OT. Yes, there are a few awful scenes and changes but most are neutral or an improvement. The good outweighs the bad but they should release the unaltered originals for the fans that prefer those. Just do it, damnit.