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The_Donster · 07-17-2019, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

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A couple billionaires made a choice. They weren't pressured. They weren't brow-beaten. They made a choice.

That's all.

I’m sorry I’m late, but I have to agree with Octagon on this one. It sounds like they basically made a conscious decision. Whether it was comes from a good place is hard to say

octagon · 07-17-2019, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Restraining one's self from speaking a potentially offensive witticism is an act of self-censoring.

This is exactly what I mean by devaluing the word.

If I decide to stop saying 'dude, that's kinda gay' to mock behavior because I come to the conclusion that that use of the word gay is not appropriate I'm not 'censoring' myself.

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Self-censorship:

"This is done out of fear of, or deference to, the sensibilities or preferences (actual or perceived) of others."

You do know you're not quoting a dictionary, right?

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Originally Posted by Vilya

I also said proposed content.

Sorry, didn't see your edit.

Well if you're including proposed content then the TV question is back on the table because when I go to watch TV all the stuff I could have posted will be lost.

Censorship?

Vilya · 07-17-2019, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Donster

I’m sorry I’m late, but I have to agree with Octagon on this one. It sounds like they basically made a conscious decision. Whether it was comes from a good place is hard to say

Agree however you choose, but the definition of censorship includes the free will act of self-censorship.

I do not know about you, but all of my substantive decisions are conscious ones, excluding near sleep walking into the kitchen at 4 AM and eating half of a pie- a cherry one at that.

Vilya · 07-17-2019, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

This is exactly what I mean by devaluing the word.

If I decide to stop saying 'dude, that's kinda gay' to mock behavior because I come to the conclusion that that use of the word gay is not appropriate I'm not 'censoring' myself.

You do know you're not quoting a dictionary, right?

Sorry, didn't see your edit.

Well if you're including proposed content then the TV question is back on the table because when I go to watch TV all the stuff I could have posted will be lost.

Censorship?

The first is an example of self-censorship; you are choosing not to say something that you believe will cause offense.

In this instance I quoted the authors of a respected scholarly work; both of whom hold Ph.Ds at the University of Malta. I can provide you with other definitions. How many more do you need?

Here's one and from a dictionary, too:

""the process of removing parts of books, movies, letters, etc. that are considered inappropriate for moral, religious, or political reasons. Related words: self-censorship."

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/...can/censorship

Your final part is not censorship because no actual or conceptualized content was lost due to a deliberate choice not to disseminate it . You simply are choosing to do something presumably more entertaining than arguing with me.

Vilya · 07-17-2019, 03:22 AM

I guess I better practice some self-censorship myself and drop this subject as I have put everyone to

and this could be considered off topic and all on the first day of the thread's return, too.

The_Donster · 07-17-2019, 03:44 AM

Hey, I’m just glad I have that season of The Simpson’s on DVD

And in a effort to stir this thread back on track. Thank you for digital code Vilya. Viva la digital’

Vilya · 07-17-2019, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Donster

Hey, I’m just glad I have that season of The Simpson’s on DVD

And in a effort to stir this thread back on track. Thank you for digital code Vilya. Viva la digital’

You're welcome.

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Vilya · 07-17-2019, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

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George Lucas' refusal to make the original cuts of his movies available on BD prevented me from having something I wanted.

That doesn't make it censorship.

I have to comment on this George Lucas Stars Wars matter. If my memory serves, he did not remove anything; he just added stuff that the original release did not contain.

Adding content is NOT censorship.

The original trilogy is still available for those who want it, too, just not on blu-ray. No concerted effort was made to eliminate the OT. The 2006 DVD releases contained the unaltered trilogy as an "extra feature" and the supply of this set was just allowed to dwindle. The remaining stock of this particular DVD set can be pricey now, but it is still easy to obtain all these many years later.

Vilya · 07-17-2019, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

This is exactly what I mean by devaluing the word.

"Censorship" is always worth a minimum of 17 points in Scrabble; it can not be devalued.

Note the second definition given, too, and also from a dictionary.

http://testwire.belloflostsouls.net/...ion/censorship

I'll stop. I mean it.

Boccaccio · 07-17-2019, 08:27 AM

Censorship happens all the time. Even before we get to see it.

The first 2 episodes of House of games S6 with Kevin Spacey in it.
No one has ever seen them except whoever worked on it.
I wonder what would have happened if the whole series was already filmed and a few episodes had already aired.

What about Gore ? The last film with him in it.
According to IMDB the movie is completed but cancelled before release.
So is there a copy somewhere in a vault (that we are not "allowed" to see) or has it been destroyed ?

Boccaccio · 07-17-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

With physical media content can only be removed or modified before the disc is released.
With digital distribution content can be removed or modified at any time.

Well, I don't disagree with that. Was just wondering what would have happened if they were on the brink of releasing the blu ray set when the news came out.
Would they still have released it or just destroyed it ?

PenguinInfinity · 07-17-2019, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Boccaccio

Well, I don't disagree with that. Was just wondering what would have happened if they were on the brink of releasing the blu ray set when the news came out.
Would they still have released it or just destroyed it ?

I'm sure the final season of House of Cards would have been released as is. Sony and Netflix continue to sell previous seasons of House of Cards with Kevin Spacey in them. The show already had a devoted following so it would have lost more money to get rid of it then to keep it.

The movie Gore didn't have already have fans so there likely would have been extremely few people that subscribed to Netflix in order to see it after the news came out. It was better publicity (and therefore more profitable) to drop the movie rather than release it.

It all comes down to money. No self-censorship is likely to happen that will cause a large drop in profits.

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

No, I'm saying that artists who decide of their own free will they no long want to be associated with their Michael Jackson episode aren't being censored if they decide of their own free will to bury that episode.

While the fans don’t have a choice. That’s still censorship.

Anyway, back on topic.

About those 1.3 million people snubbing episode 7 of Stranger Things!

PenguinInfinity · 07-17-2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

While the fans don’t have a choice. That’s still censorship.

Anyway, back on topic.

About those 1.3 million people snubbing episode 7 of Stranger Things!

Content being removed from digital sources that can't be removed from physical sources is on topic. It is absolutely a digital vs physical issue.

People skipping an episode of Stranger Things (or watching it in a form that can't be tracked) is not on topic. People skip episodes on physical media as well, I've done it myself a few times.

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Content being removed from digital sources that can't be removed from physical sources is on topic. It is absolutely a digital vs physical issue.

People skipping an episode of Stranger Things (or watching it in a form that can't be tracked) is not on topic. People skip episodes on physical media as well, I've done it myself a few times.

I never have. If a show is worth watching, it’s worth watching in its entirety.

I wouldn’t dream of missing an entire episode.

PenguinInfinity · 07-17-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I never have. If a show is worth watching, it’s worth watching in its entirety.

I wouldn’t dream of missing an entire episode.

Well in that case everyone who does it must be a terrible person.

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Well in that case everyone who does it must be a terrible person.

Everyone doing things differently than Steedeel will obviously lead to an apocalypse.

Not at all. It’s just a behaviour I find odd. Let’s not start with that stuff again eh? Personal digs will not be tolerated. At least three of us are lucky to not be suspended.

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Behavior you find odd always seems to get connected to your larger conspiracy theories.

Yes and this posters on here have proven they can’t discuss such things without getting personal and vindictive. No point going there is there?

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Then why did bring up the topic that caused all that in the first place?

It’s calked a joke.

Steedeel · 07-17-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The things you take seriously are so ridiculous that I can never tell when you're joking. I'm laughing either way.

Congrats.

07-17-2019, 03:22 AM	#16145
Vilya Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Sep 2011 Location:In the gloaming 4K collection:776 Blu-ray collection:5296 DVD collection:3918 Digital collection:1697 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:17	I guess I better practice some self-censorship myself and drop this subject as I have put everyone to and this could be considered off topic and all on the first day of the thread's return, too.

07-17-2019, 03:44 AM	#16146
The_Donster Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Deep in the heart of NE Texas 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:216 DVD collection:231 Trading Score:14	Hey, I’m just glad I have that season of The Simpson’s on DVD And in a effort to stir this thread back on track. Thank you for digital code Vilya. Viva la digital’

07-17-2019, 08:27 AM	#16150
Boccaccio Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2019 Location:Belgium 4K collection:251 Blu-ray collection:1242	Censorship happens all the time. Even before we get to see it. The first 2 episodes of House of games S6 with Kevin Spacey in it. No one has ever seen them except whoever worked on it. I wonder what would have happened if the whole series was already filmed and a few episodes had already aired. What about Gore ? The last film with him in it. According to IMDB the movie is completed but cancelled before release. So is there a copy somewhere in a vault (that we are not "allowed" to see) or has it been destroyed ?

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