Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by bsend

This mentality of collectors is beyond me. It should be about the movies and not the look on the shelf. You can always buy the release and put the slipcover in a drawer in hopes that they release others. Then you have your matching set with regular cases.

Pretty simple, if you had a set of encyclopedias and books A-P were 11" red books but volumes Q-Z were 12" yellow books you don't think that would appear to be a mismatch and thus undesirable? Or alternatively, say you could take the dust cover off Q-Z to make them match, would you pay $10 extra per volume Q-Z with the dust covers if your plan was to take them off anyway?

I don't mind not having the slipcover but also not paying extra for it if I'm gonna put it in a drawer

[nitin]

Ah, get rid of miribeau, and out pops Ruined...

[Christophah Maghen]

In a free market condition price not set by scalpers, an auction for a used bundle of Dead Pit and Point Doom just sold for $70

Also, with all the negativity here , there was actually a kind person, Brian on eBay sold a brand new copy of Dead Pit for $35 + 5 shipping.

[charsi]

anyone know when their web store is supposed to go live?

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by nitin

Ah, get rid of miribeau, and out pops Ruined...

At least he doesn't post REALLY long diatribes. He just briefly shills.

[JasonMichael]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

In a free market condition price not set by scalpers, an auction for a used bundle of Dead Pit and Point Doom just sold for $70

Also, with all the negativity here , there was actually a kind person, Brian on eBay sold a brand new copy of Dead Pit for $35 + 5 shipping.

Good ol' Brian. Maybe he could take over for Dark Force? He's probably open longer hours.

[barsalou]

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe

I want to buy Dead Pit but I can't because I haven't been lucky enough to be online when the store is open
And I've been a loyal customer, I even messaged Dark Forces and asked if there was something we could arrange so that I can pay them and get the movie but alas, it didn't happen.

I feel for you, man. At this point, it's painfully obvious Dark Force doesn't care about the fans, it's all about making a quick buck. I mean, making money is the goal of every business, but they should know who they are catering to... this model wil come to bite them in the ass in the long run.

Yeah, I bought Dead Pit at that ridiculous price since it was a Code Red title I've wanted for a while. The glow in the dark slip had nothing to do with it. I feel a bit foolish paying that much, especially since a standard edition is coming along, but I wanted the movie sooner than not. I sure as hell won't be paying that much again for any other title DemonTom tries to peddle, unless it's The Farmer or Iced, then I would cave in again. Yeti?? Good luck with that LOL

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by Sixer

And let's not forget both THE BEYOND and CAT IN THE BRAIN have glow in the dark covers.

Respectfully they were not 3D sculpted emboss with UV gloss that glow in the dark. Go try and see how easy it is to do that.

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Even Arrow stopped booklets other than the very first run of discs because almost no one cares about them, and Arrow was a huge supporter of them. Probably only a matter of time before they fully get the axe.

Could not agree with you more Ruined. Extremely well put. Anyone see any huge lines to get into the local library? Lots of booklets in there too. lol

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

The prices are cheaper because they are not in demand like Code Red and Dark Force releases. As a respected member on here just pointed out no one sets the market for prices on Ebay...the buyers do. You don't think we're as talented as Grindhouse, huh? Go ask Marc Sheffler of Last House On The Left how badly Sage wanted to be in Chaos. Then later stalked my house every day until I finally gave him an advance cut of it on DVD. I have a story about that that people would not believe.

The fact that their titles are widely available (competition) and aren't hard to get makes them cheaper.

[DaveyJoe]

Demon why don't you make your releases more available for your loyal fans to purchase?

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Could not agree with you more Ruined. Extremely well put. Anyone see any huge lines to get into the local library? Lots of booklets in there too. lol

His statement is not accurate. It would be the equivalent of saying, “Dark Force or Vinegar Syndrome stopped including slipcovers with releases after the first pressing because no one cared about them.”

If you can’t defend the latter than the former is equally indefensible.

There is even a thread on criterionforum.org dedicated to the struggle of acquiring booklets with the releases, demonstrating demand.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

His statement is not accurate. It would be the equivalent of saying, “Dark Force or Vinegar Syndrome stopped including slipcovers with releases after the first pressing because no one cared about them.”

If you can’t defend the latter than the former is equally indefensible.

O rly?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=20016

Originally Posted by Arrow Video

We are changing our policy on booklets. We've been printing booklets for six years now and it's pretty clear that with eroding prices as releases get older and with rising costs of printing shorter and shorter runs through a product's lifecycle this isn't sensible (the shorter the run the higher the expense, whereas a shorter run is usually sold at the lowest price)! From the outset newer releases will factor in booklets as limited edition runs with follow on editions without booklets. From our research it looks as though only the select few read or care about these booklets

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Ruined

O rly?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=20016

Well if their research shows that, then I can’t argue that specific point, but the marketing undermines it anyway, and as shown by the booklet fervor at criterion.org the point about first run printing being an early purchase incentive remains valid which leaves us precisely where we were before this exchange.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by barsalou

I feel for you, man. At this point, it's painfully obvious Dark Force doesn't care about the fans, it's all about making a quick buck. I mean, making money is the goal of every business, but they should know who they are catering to... this model wil come to bite them in the ass in the long run.

Exactly. While no one ever went broke selling out of product, DF turning away serious fans means turning away repeat customers, which anybody will tell you is just as important in business.

They're acting like the meth dealers who sell rat poison. Sure you make that quick buck today, but tomorrow's dollars just ****ing died on you. Stupid as **** IMO, and yes I am one of the dead customers. It was bad enough when Code Red site's did this shit, never thought I'd see a clone of that.

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by Ruined

O rly?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=20016

The vastly knowledgeable and respected RUIN strikes again! Here's the bottom line...at Dark Force we put out the stuff that I personally like and I don't like booklets. Didn't really like them much in school and still don't like them now. But I do really like glow in the dark monster models since early childhood. So that is where the concept originally came from.

[Caseyscott]

This is why the file labeled “self evident” was created.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

The vastly knowledgeable and respected RUIN strikes again! Here's the bottom line...at Dark Force we put out the stuff that I personally like and I don't like booklets. Didn't really like them much in school and still don't like them now. But I do really like glow in the dark monster models since early childhood. So that is where the concept originally came from.

I can respect this response. Its disappointing as I do love the booklets and revisit them everytime I re-watch a film, but I can respect your logic on this. Now if only your product was easier to purchase.

[kraven]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Here's the bottom line...at Dark Force we put out the stuff that I personally like and I don't like booklets. Didn't really like them much in school and still don't like them now. But I do really like glow in the dark monster models since early childhood. So that is where the concept originally came from.

Perfect response. Great reason for both. Now just stop the super expensive to make over hype, and keep that limit of 2 moving forward.

[Profondo]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I don't mind not having the slipcover but also not paying extra for it if I'm gonna put it in a drawer

Perhaps you could get a picture frame for it? Maybe find space on your walls, it is a work of art after all!?