Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Steedeel, your wall of text was much too long to quote and there was nothing new in it besides, so I will only say the following in reply.

There will be no restrictions on anything that we choose to watch nor with what we watch it upon. None.

People would not tolerate it and it would do very little to address carbon emissions.

Greenhouse gases are primarily due to transportation; it is the number 1 source for such emissions. Electricity production is the second largest source of emissions. Industrial production is third. What links them all is the of burning fossil fuels to achieve their purpose.

Power derived from fossil fuel usage causes greenhouse gas emissions, not the internet, not streaming, and not our TVs. Power all of these things with clean renewable energy and there are no emissions. We already have the technology to do it, just not the will.

My TV uses $21 worth of electricity per year. Lessening my usage of it will have no significant impact on my budget or on the environment. Adjusting my thermostat would help, driving a more efficient vehicle would help, and doing more recycling would help.

Population growth is going to happen and nothing short of an extinction level event will stop it. More people means more power usage because they will have more homes to heat, more cars to drive, cause more stuff to be manufactured, and need more food to be grown. Power usage will go up even if TVs are 19", black and white, and Netflix streams at 240p.

We will use much more power in the future; it is unavoidable. The best answer to the problem of greenhouse gases is to use more clean renewable sources of energy and to use much less derived from polluting fossil fuels.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Can we please stop with the outdated employment history alchav21? Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with things or you’d know what you were actually talking about.

I am not the type to belittle a person's position (if a job was not important no one would be doing it) But I don't think dates are the issue. Like he said

Originally Posted by alchav21

I Retired from the Telco Industry, and worked my way up from running jumpers to a Service Manager setting up a lot of those Fiber Muxes

maybe if he was a network engineer he might know what he was talking about but I don’t think pulling the cable and connecting stuff (or being the supervisor of the guy that does that) makes one an expert.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You're welcome.

Notice how I put your large gif behind spoiler tags in my reply? It's just my small way of saving movies, TVs, and the environment. ^Unlike the Prophet of Doom above me.

I have video games that need playing, so away I go. I hope the world doesn't end while I'm gone.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news, spoiler tags just hide stuff. The info is still DL.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Are you implying that the railroad industry hasn't changed since the 1700s?

come on that is harsh everyone knows john Henry is the most knowledgeable person when it comes to the inner working of TGV locomotive.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

sorry to be the bearer of bad news, spoiler tags just hide stuff. The info is still DL.

Good to know; I will just delete the gifs when I quote posts that contain them going forward.

Even an old mutt like me can learn new tricks!

[Wendell R. Breland]

The following was made at AVS and is available only as a quote back. The member and all the post made by that member is no longer available. It appears someone may have violated their NDA . Emphasis is mine.

The web and digital technology has reduced printed media but it will never replac it. Likewise, streaming has reduced discs but it will never replace them. I work in the telecom industry and if you think that the providers are going to continue to upgrade their infrastructure for the increased data demands without levying tariffs and restrictions, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to schedule a purchase showing with you. Telecom margins are decreasing, while data demands are skyrocketing. Once those caps are in place (and they are coming), you will think twice before watching 4k movies every night. According to the last reports, there are approximately 19 million homes (ruffly 6%) in America without broadband. Those homes will continue to buy or rent physical media. Those with broadband often forget that there are many who don't have it. There are many homes that will never have it because it is not available in their geographic location and wont be for some time, if ever. Discs are not going anywhere anytime soon. Hell, the LP never died and cassette tapes are becoming vogue for retro hipsters

[The_Donster]

Spoiler tags and multi quotes, use them people

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming is internet specific technology though. Films and tv exist just fine without the internet.

I agree but am not sure what point you want to make with that since it has nothing to do with what I said.

are you trying to say that without electracy, studios that offer films on Netflix and oxygen I would not be able to watch those films so a boycott of those things don't make sense? But I can boycott the internet and still watch my BDs?

That is true but back when I used to travel a lot and fly around the world for work, every country I would visit I would go into a retail location and buy some films. When I changed jobs and stopped traveling as much (or now where my passport has expired some years ago) the only way to get that international cultural fix is by ordering those foreign films on-line (all my hundreds of international BDs were bought that way).

Those films would not exist for me without the internet

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Spoiler tags and multi quotes, use them people

You're breaking the internet with all of these gifs and endangering our screens both! You wanna make us go back to reading books?

For some here, that would necessitate the need for crayons, too.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It depends. If you have a 4K tv and watch SD, that is stupidity. It’s like buying a Rolls and not driving it.

I am not the best person to defend this. If there are 10 films I am interested in 5 are HD and 5 are SD I will start with the 5 that are HD and run out of time before I get to the SD films. But not everyone is me. If someone prioritises a particular film and it is SD is it truly dumb for them to watch it? If someone's TV broke down and they want to buy a new TTV that is 75" is it dumb that they are buying a 4k TV to watch some old B&W films they have on VHS? it is not as if they can finds an B&W 75" SD tv to watch those tapes on.

[The_Donster]

Judging by my 10 year old going through and dusting the cases of his “childhood”’memories to preserve for his future children at the moment, I think the future is going to be just fine

Originally Posted by Vilya

You're breaking the internet with all of these gifs and endangering our screens both! You wanna make us go back to reading books?

For some here, that would necessitate the need for crayons, too.

Wait, what?!?!? You mean I shouldn’t be receiving all of my legal affairs in crayon? When did this not become the NORM

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are presuming disc continues to be manufactured. That’s not guaranteed 5 or 10 years down the line.

no if I am still alive I presume they will still be playable if I want to use them. I don't need to presume anything more.

LD, Beta and VHS are all gone. DVD is still around but I have no interest in it. If we get 8k lossless video micro crystals in 5-10 years I will be over joyed and disks will be dead to me. Even if there is no new content on physical media,who cares, unlike I am legend I won't need to run out to Blockbuster to pick up a film to watch in my home, many of those films are already there.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It depends. If you have a 4K tv and watch SD, that is stupidity. It’s like buying a Rolls and not driving it.

Judgmental much?

I watch a LOT of SD content on my 4K TV; I guess I must be pretty damn stupid in your estimation then. How ever will I carry on knowing this?

A lot of content is still only on DVD, your Majesty. My Oppo 203 does a great job upscaling most of them, too.

The couple in my little story are old and they simply watch the first listing in their cable TV channel guide that interests them; the standard definition channels are all listed first, so they never even scroll to a point where they see the high definition version of those same channels.

I offered to make them a custom channel guide, but they were worried that they would never see what was on the channels not included in it. Switching channels guides back and forth wasn't gonna happen, either, so I dropped the subject.

Yet, they buy and watch blu-rays with their blu-ray player, so they clearly are smart enough to do that. When you are in your 80s, lets see if you're half as comfortable with technology as these two fine people are.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are presuming disc continues to be manufactured. That’s not guaranteed 5 or 10 years down the line.

You are presuming that you will still be here, too. There is no guarantee of that, either.

The future offers no guarantees, including whether or not you, or I, even have one. Obsessing about it all being bad is doubly pointless as it is a futile and unhealthy preoccupation... for you especially.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

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Wait, what?!?!? You mean I shouldn’t be receiving all of my legal affairs in crayon? When did this not become the NORM

Seeing as some kids eat crayons, and adhesive paste, you're doing just fine.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

The following was made at AVS and is available only as a quote back. The member and all the post made by that member is no longer available. It appears someone may have violated their NDA . Emphasis is mine.

I find that discouraging rather than anything else. For one, how do we know some of those millions that don’t have broadband aren’t simply relying on 4G on their phone or tablet to watch content?

Secondly, if disc does go away, the future will be SD and HD lite due to those data caps (and the several issues I mentioned)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

They won't. The studios aren't going to give up on the billions of dollars of income they make from discs every year.

Billions of dollars but falling every year.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Billions of dollars but falling every year.

The rate of decline isn't accelerating, especially not for Blu-ray or 4K discs.

[The_Donster]

Dude, you’ve got to stop with all this gloom and doom bullshit

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

maybe if he was a network engineer he might know what he was talking about but I don’t think pulling the cable and connecting stuff (or being the supervisor of the guy that does that) makes one an expert.

No I'm not an expert, but working your way up in the Industry does give you a good idea on how it works. We had to go to a lot of classes, and I remember Packet Switching with Addressing and Time Slotting. Yes I did it all connect stuff, work on equipment, and work with Network Engineers. You get a good idea on what is going on.