Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

If only that were true AmishParadise. Because sometimes the shitter gets backed up and runs over in other threads quite a bit

[Vilya]

I have been watching Designated Survivor, starring Kieffer Sutherland, on Netflix and I am enjoying it quite a bit. It is offered in 4K with Dolby Vision and I must say that it looks really good. I have not noticed any compression artifacts in this series, so far, after having watched the first two seasons.

I am confident that it would look even better on a 4K disc, but this has been a very good presentation by Netflix. It is not something that I feel a need to own, either, so I am glad that I have the ability to watch it via streaming.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Honestly, I think that’s because there are better forums that cater to the enthusiast Wendell

Well I am a member of several forums and find most have their strengths in their primary areas. Many have tried to diversify to appeal to greater audience, some succeeded, some not so much.

The name of this site should indicate its primary focus to anyone and if you look here on any given day you can see most are viewing info about Blu-ray disc. A snap shot: Currently Active Users: 5303 (1719 members and 3584 guests) which implies a lot of lurkers here.

For me, I do not know of any other site that offers the amount of info about Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray disc. For projectors, screens: AVS Forums and AVS Discussions ● For remote controls: AVS forums and Remote Central ● For Satellite: Satellite Z Forums and Satellite Guys. I do several more for speakers, AVP’s, etc.

IMO, UltraViolet should have sponsored a forum dedicated to EST (ownership) streaming. The same for SVOD and AVOD provides, those folks need to get together and provide a forum but I don’t think it will ever happen.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have been watching Designated Survivor, starring Kieffer Sutherland, on Netflix and I am enjoying it quite a bit. It is offered in 4K with Dolby Vision and I must say that it looks really good. I have not noticed any compression artifacts in this series, so far, after having watched the first two seasons.

I am confident that it would look even better on a 4K disc, but this has been a very good presentation by Netflix. It is not something that I feel a need to own, either, so I am glad that I have the ability to watch it via streaming.

I'm glad you are enjoying your Streaming Netflix, and feel that the Quality is up to your Viewing Standards. I think most people feel this way, they just want to enjoy their Movies and TV Shows. I started collecting with VHS, then DVD, and into Blu-ray. When I did my Back-ups with DVD and Blu-ray, and then put those Files on a Server I noticed the similarities to Streaming Digital. Instead of doing Back-ups I started to convert Codes and D2D, and to me the Quality of HD Digital was like Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, UltraViolet should have sponsored a forum dedicated to EST (ownership) streaming. The same for SVOD and AVOD provides, those folks need to get together and provide a forum but I don’t think it will ever happen.

When the OP started this Thread it was just a question on what people preferred, but it sure opened a big can of worms and even to this day the controversy continues. Now people like Wendell want to break Digital down, it's not just Physical vs Digital. Now we have to do SVOD, AVOD, and don't forget TVOD. I say Streaming is Streaming and Physical is Physical! The other thing no one is talking about is equipment, set-up, and cost. Remember I said 10K for a good set-up, well that price has gone way up from there, especially if you want a good Projector HT!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Things you or others can’t see, but will happen.

Yes, you're our little Mirror of Galadriel all right.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm glad you are enjoying your Streaming Netflix, and feel that the Quality is up to your Viewing Standards. I think most people feel this way, they just want to enjoy their Movies and TV Shows. I started collecting with VHS, then DVD, and into Blu-ray. When I did my Back-ups with DVD and Blu-ray, and then put those Files on a Server I noticed the similarities to Streaming Digital. Instead of doing Back-ups I started to convert Codes and D2D, and to me the Quality of HD Digital was like Blu-ray.

When the OP started this Thread it was just a question on what people preferred, but it sure opened a big can of worms and even to this day the controversy continues. Now people like Wendell want to break Digital down, it's not just Physical vs Digital. Now we have to do SVOD, AVOD, and don't forget TVOD. I say Streaming is Streaming and Physical is Physical! The other thing no one is talking about is equipment, set-up, and cost. Remember I said 10K for a good set-up, well that price has gone way up from there, especially if you want a good Projector HT!

You are welcome to reply to my posts, but when doing so try to limit yourself to replying to what I said. If you want to reply to Wendell, then reply to him directly.

We previously had an extended discussion about home theater equipment and their associated costs; I do not see why you are using my post as a segue way to revisit that topic. Whatever amount we choose to spend here it is only necessary that we please ourselves.

I have had Netflix for eight consecutive months this go around, which is likely the longest that I have ever kept it without getting bored and cancelling it. I am finding enough content to retain my interest and the quality has been very good overall. It is not as solid as disc quality, but it is easily good enough so as not to distract me from enjoying what I am watching. I'm readily getting my $15.99 worth of entertainment each month, so I will keep Netflix until that changes.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Things you or others can’t see, but will happen.

It’s a kind of magic

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

It’s a kind of magic

Like I say, this is your thrill in this thread. You and I both know it.

[Steedeel]

In other news, Quibi continue signing up some major creative forces for their short form, mobile only streaming service. Apparently, the need to shoot for both landscape and vertical will take a day of extra post production. This is being compensated by the fact that the providers of the content will own the rights after a two year window and can restructure the content for tv, cable, streaming services etc. Quite how you can shoot for both formats without sacrificing something remains to be seen imo.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Fans of Avengers: Endgame should see if they are in areas where Best Buy is hosting a big event for the disc release today (Aug. 13), story here.

[The_Donster]

Unfortunately those events won’t be hitting any of my surrounding towns Wendell. It looks like Dallas and Houston, but I might pop in once I’m done doing some unrelated follow ups in town.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Fans of Avengers: Endgame should see if they are in areas where Best Buy is hosting a big event for the disc release today (Aug. 13), story here.

I'm waiting to import the 3D edition from Amazon.uk when available.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In other news, Quibi continue signing up some major creative forces for their short form, mobile only streaming service. Apparently, the need to shoot for both landscape and vertical will take a day of extra post production. This is being compensated by the fact that the providers of the content will own the rights after a two year window and can restructure the content for tv, cable, streaming services etc. Quite how you can shoot for both formats without sacrificing something remains to be seen imo.

No one here appears to care about Quibi besides you. If you think it is going to be a big hit, then invest heavily in it when their IPO occurs. You should at least try to profit from your fear mongering.

Verizon tried a very similar idea with their Go90 service and it failed less than 3 years after it launched despite their having spent $1 billion on it. Whether or not Quibi succeeds does not matter in the slightest. It would just be one more viewing option among many and there is nothing to suggest, besides your previous rant on the subject, that it would harm any existing option.

https://digiday.com/media/go90-never-shot/

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Now people like Wendell want to break Digital down

Wendell presents facts, see post #14562 here.

As to your ripped Blu-ray vs streaming, means nothing without details. How were the BD ripped? Software? Transcoder settings? What container were they stored in? What served the file(s) for playback? Software and hardware? Transcoder settings? What were the files served to (playback device)?

I can rip a Blu-ray and have it look worse than VHS if so desired.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I'm waiting to import the 3D edition from Amazon.uk when available.

Lets us know what you think about the 3D. It appears to be a post process 3D with only the 7.1 audio , the UHD BD version has Dolby Atmos. Alita was done with 3D cameras but once again only the 7.1 audio on the 3D version, have it but not watched yet in 3D.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Lets us know what you think about the 3D. It appears to be a post process 3D with only the 7.1 audio , the UHD BD version has Dolby Atmos. Alita was done with 3D cameras but once again only the 7.1 audio on the 3D version, have it but not watched yet in 3D.

It is a Disney release, so I think you meant to say Dolby Atmouse. I may buy this on 4K, too; I am undecided.

There is no good reason not to include the Atmos track on the 3D disc; the studios are just being a-holes about it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Lets us know what you think about the 3D. It appears to be a post process 3D with only the 7.1 audio , the UHD BD version has Dolby Atmos. Alita was done with 3D cameras but once again only the 7.1 audio on the 3D version, have it but not watched yet in 3D.

To be fair, Marvel films have been pretty splendid 3D wise over the last couple of years. Black Panther had stunning depth for example.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I am surprised by the small number of post in the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR Benchmark Test Disc for 4K thread. I thought there would be much more activity in that thread.

I am not all that surprised by the low enthusiasm for this thread; the blu-ray.com review of the test disc itself and the thread dedicated to it are both highly technical and that likely intimidates many people. Nothing about this disc says "user friendly" and that will limit its appeal to those who are already extremely knowledgeable about video calibration. This disc is designed for professionals and it is likely to be largely incomprehensible to almost everyone else.

I do not even feel comfortable buying it as I doubt that I would be able to make heads or tails out of it and I am not one who typically avoids such a challenge.

[dublinbluray108]

I heard on the news today that Vodafone Ireland will be the first operator in my country to officially release 5G in 5 Irish cities. They will release their first 5G compatible smartphone for sale in their stores from tomorrow (Wednesday the 14th of August). Vodafone Ireland will release another 5G smartphone at the end of the month. So some of those lucky people will be having 5G offered to them from tomorrow from Vodafone. I won't be one of those people sadly as I am with Eir Mobile. I won't be getting 5G offered to me from Eir Mobile probably until early next year until more & more devices coming on sale.

I have heard some opinions either from TV & online in how it will transform large parts of the internet & other industries over the past while or so. If anyone here could share their opinions on using 5G on streaming services; I will be happy to hear them. Does 5G serve a regular purpose for people who subscribe to streaming services like Vudu, Hulu, Netflix or Amazon Prime Video?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I heard on the news today that Vodafone Ireland will be the first operator in my country to officially release 5G in 5 Irish cities. They will release their first 5G compatible smartphone for sale in their stores from tomorrow (Wednesday the 14th of August). Vodafone Ireland will release another 5G smartphone at the end of the month. So some of those lucky people will be having 5G offered to them from tomorrow from Vodafone. I won't be one of those people sadly as I am with Eir Mobile. I won't be getting 5G offered to me from Eir Mobile probably until early next year until more & more devices coming on sale.

I have heard some opinions either from TV & online in how it will transform large parts of the internet & other industries over the past while or so. If anyone here could share their opinions on using 5G on streaming services; I will be happy to hear them. Does 5G serve a regular purpose for people who subscribe to streaming services like Vudu, Hulu, Netflix or Amazon Prime Video?

It’s impossible to say yet. I very much doubt it will compare to fibre. Probably a poor man’s solution. Maybe good for those that have awful broadband but not so much for everyone else. These things are overhyped. They always over promise. It’s the same with new generation consoles. “No more loading screens’, “photo-realistic in game graphics”, yeah, right!