HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The Filmmaker Mode

someone just now PMed me this link, glancing thru, some rather humorous as well as different perspective opinions in there - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...ge/?comments=1

[Penton-Man]

LordoftheRings, are you doing the viewership stats at 9 PM PST this evening or should I login to do so?

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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Younger folks who are sensitized to something have a different perspective. On a social consciousness note, with all the mass shootings happening at public places including their schools, with active shooter drills and such for kids becoming the norm when they never were when we were growing up, I wonder if sort of in the same way this newer generation will question the validity of the conditions adults have placed them in for years with that too…..and they, themselves will do something to change it.

And unfortunately another mass shooting.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/31/us/od...ter/index.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

And unfortunately another mass shooting.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/31/us/od...ter/index.html

sheesh, it's getting to be almost weekly

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

UBC = University of British Columbia

having a long heritage in HDR, here the newest kids on the block….http://dml.ece.ubc.ca/project_HDR.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

LordoftheRings, are you doing the viewership stats at 9 PM PST this evening or should I login to do so?

no joy?, then I’ll try to do it if we get back in time from dinner this evening, based on your last post - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=10552

I figure, as of this time (~ 6’oclock-ish PST), we’re averaging 13,697 views/day for this thread
new record high?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

LordoftheRings, are you doing the viewership stats at 9 PM PST this evening or should I login to do so?

Penton, now that you just mentioned ... I have no clue if I would be remembering in one hour from now.
But it should be close to this anyway: 3,340,926 views

• 3,341,446 views @ 9:00 PM

[Penton-Man]

place card post for 9 PM (PST) August viewership final calculation
will do the math later if you don't
too busy now

[LordoftheRings]

For the month of August: 426,018 views

• https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=10552

3,341,446 minus 2,915,428 = 426,018

426,018 ÷ 31 days = 13,742.516129 views average per day.
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Extra: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/blu-ray.com

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

☆ https://paulbakaus.com/tutorials/imm...ons-for-60fps/

Interesting page, but I don't agree with a lot of it
Reason 2, "60 fps is the only format that syncs with all of your screens", is a full 10 years out of date! Most screens can accept a 24Hz input signal perfectly fine now. If it can't, it should not be being sold! So that "reason" can be scrubbed. Ridiculous to include it.
Reason 5, "60 fps makes you part of the scene", is actually a reason AGAINST using 60fps for movies! As they confess:

By a large part, the reason is simple conditioning, but there’s another important part at play: Cineasts complained that the movies felt too real, thus making them part of the New Zealand set, as opposed to part of the current scene. And it’s true – while I have tremendous respect for Peter Jackson and his fearless push into the future, The Hobbit might not have been the best use-case. At least until we develop better ways of reestablishing the dream-like quality of 24p-motion-blurry movies with higher frame rates.

I say it's not "simple" conditioning, it's a full lifetime's conditioning, which is fundamental to the dream-like "look" of 24fps movies. Anything with a frame rate that's too high looks like rehearsal footage on a set, and there's just no getting away from that.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

someone just now PMed me this link, glancing thru, some rather humorous as well as different perspective opinions in there - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...ge/?comments=1

...from that link:

Stochastic / Ars Scholae Palatinae
The low framerate lends movies an impressionistic, dreamlike feel which in a strange way preserves suspension of disbelief.

He says that it's a "strange" way. Strange or not, that is what happens. As soon as you have a higher framerate, that dream-like world is gone, and bang, you're taken out of the movie.

The language of cinema is a very fragile thing, built up over many years. We are not taken out of the film when we hear a full orchestra playing despite being at the bottom of the ocean or in outer space. But we are instantly taken out of the film when we see higher frame-rates. Our eyes are very very sensitive to it. I can't see this changing any time soon because it's so fragile. And my desire not to be taken out of the film, massively outweighs any desire to reduce judder with bright HDR pans (which at some point, will also take me out of the film!).

[Waboman]

The PM, forgetting to hit the ATM and running late for his Beverly Hills HDR party, checks his couch cushions for any spare change.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

426,018 ÷ 31 days = 13,742.516129 views average per day.
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Extra: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/blu-ray.com

wowza!, makes me think that after this pic post near thee end of July that Vern – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16650291
recruited all pilots and crews of the entire US Navy to tune in here for the month of August to see what other goodies we’d reveal, like from other squadrons - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post16754959

congrats to all the contributors…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605
Bob, despite the sabbatical, I notice you’ve pulled ahead of Geoff

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

...from that link:
He says that it's a "strange" way. Strange or not, that is what happens. As soon as you have a higher framerate, that dream-like world is gone, and bang, you're taken out of the movie.

I’ve used that same argument for myself in the past. Thing is though we have a new generation (Z?) who have grown up watching movies and other content with their TVs not in filmmaker mode for which they have been able to immerse themselves in without complaint…..which judgmental movie traditionalists may label as blissful ignorance, on the other hand, more open minded folks (including some older folks) may think of it simply as ‘different strokes for different folks’.

If the storytelling and acting had been better, I would have loved to have seen the results of a focus group of say < 21 year-olds on questions relating to whether they could escape from reality into the movie world with the 48fps presentation of this movie - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1021867...ef_=tt_dt_spec
regardless of the appearance of the ‘cinematography’.

Fact is mrtickle, you and many of us feel that way because we’re biased by years of conditioning, not because 24fps is better. People can become conditioned to like anything, e.g. the Stockholm syndrome.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

The PM, forgetting to hit the ATM and running late for his Beverly Hills HDR party, checks his couch cushions for any spare change.

nope, google - “The Hollywood Reporter Beverly Hills Suffers Shopping Slump” by Ingrid and probably other news outlets by now

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Waboman

The PM, forgetting to hit the ATM and running late for his Beverly Hills HDR party, checks his couch cushions for any spare change.

Ha! That’s a good one, but PM would never wear a gold chain that gaudy.

[LordoftheRings]

Numbers are just fun to play with; how much money do we have, how many years are we going to live until we reach the heavens, how many hurricanes, how many forest fires, how many mass shootings, how many drug busts, how many Hollywood Marvel films, how long till Disney buy Amazon and Google, how many nits for optimal HDR, how many frames per second is best for films, how many feet across the screen for best angle immersion, how many feet from that screen, how many cars, mansions, pairs of shoes, pets, children, grandchildren, bathrooms, windows, watts per channel, how many Atmos speakers, how many subwoofers, how many music recordings (LPs and CDs), how many Blu-rays, DVDs, 3D Blu-rays, 4K Blu-rays, how many seats in our home theaters, how many people on the planet (7.7 billion).

It's not what we have and how many, it's who we are and how we do.
...Something like that where everyone's happy enough.

[gkolb]

Just gonna fix one thing you said there,

‘How long till Disney buy Sony (and Spider-Man)’

Note for PM, evidently ship Wi-Fi is not too good with pics, so might not be able to post any ‘til I get home.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

wowza!, makes me think that after this pic post near thee end of July that Vern – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16650291
recruited all pilots and crews of the entire US Navy to tune in here for the month of August....

And in case any of their kids hopped on the ride for August, as a token of appreciation I’ll link a connection for a birthday present or perhaps Christmas present for their Dads -

Pick out a nice project and maybe get your Moms to help fund it for you - http://rexkrugmansaircraft.com/Pricing.htm
Click on ‘About Us’ so as to be reassured that Rex has cred.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Just gonna fix one thing you said there,

‘How long till Disney buy Sony (and Spider-Man)’

Note for PM, evidently ship Wi-Fi is not too good with pics, so might not be able to post any ‘til I get home.

don't worry about, we can wait
keep an eye peeled for a melting iceberg

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

He says that it's a "strange" way. Strange or not, that is what happens. As soon as you have a higher framerate, that dream-like world is gone, and bang, you're taken out of the movie.

There certainly are differing opinions, for instance [from a former Director on the Board of the BDA (http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/Associ...structure.aspx ) and current Manager of software standards at a very well-known Fortune 100 company], this in response to the filmmaker mode -

“we all experience the world in judder 24fps. It is awful. Why are they so focused on spatial resolution and ignore temporal? If they don’t want us fixing their mistakes, shoot at a reasonable frame rate that the eye doesn’t perceive as judder.”