Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[sapiendut]

You can’t use blue filter for anything but CRT

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For meit is not about trust but my own craziness and temptation (don't want anyone messing up my AV settings and then needing hours to fix it all). But sad to hear that I would never be allowed to your place

On the other hand most people are not evil and they won't go out of their way to ruin a disk. All young kids need to learn is not to touch the shinny side and if you borrow it you can't borrow anything else until you bring the other one back. After all what is the worst that can happen? I need to buy a film again? for the most part (and usually for what is borrowed) that is not a big deal.

Why wouldn't I welcome you? Would you ignore my wishes while being a guest in my home? You don't strike me as someone who would behave that way.

My disc restrictions are not about people being ; if they were, again, they would not be welcome in my home. My restrictions exist because some people are careless, clumsy, messy, and under the mistaken belief that discs are nigh unto indestructible. Some of my discs are OOP and replacing those can be both problematic and costly. Others are part of expensive box sets. By my having a blanket "do not touch/ may not borrow" policy, none of my guests feels that they are being singled out. They likely just see it as one of my peculiarities.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not me master, it was that other dude posing as me. If I could do a trace I bet it would lead to the "Donster".

Originally Posted by Vilya

Anyone with a "The" in front of their name could be sketchy.

Yours truly,

The Vilya

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

You can’t use blue filter for anything but CRT

Readers can click here to see what Spears & Munsil have to say about using blue filters. Blue filters were included in the 1st and 2nd edition of the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Why wouldn't I welcome you? Would you ignore my wishes while being a guest in my home? You don't strike me as someone who would behave that way.

no I would not, but I do tend to be opinionated when it comes to set-ups and when I see it is not right there is a compulsion to fix it. One of my friends wife once mused that the only reason her husband invites me over is for me to tweak his system.

My disc restrictions are not about people being ; if they were, again, they would not be welcome in my home. My restrictions exist because some people are careless, clumsy, messy, and under the mistaken belief that discs are nigh unto indestructible. Some of my discs are OOP and replacing those can be both problematic and costly. Others are part of expensive box sets. By my having a blanket "do not touch/ may not borrow" policy, none of my guests feels that they are being singled out. They likely just see it as one of my peculiarities.

I fully understand not letting others borrow films and, like sapiendut chimed in, you are far from alone in that respect. I just tend to be a bit over optimistic on that, I assume people will be good borrowers until proven otherwise. Most people also want to borrow the latest and greatest and not the hard and obscure in my experience.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Depending on what we plan to watch will determine several settings. As noted earlier Dolby Atmos is a different speaker configuration than DTS:X. The physical speaker placement is the same but the AVP has a different configuration for each. Not a big deal to call several different configurations in macros but would be a pain to do manually. Many of the 5.1 and 7.1 sound tracks sound quite good with the Dolby Upmixer or DTS Neural X engaged but may require tweaking, depending on title being played. I tend to just select DSU and go.

1.85 or 1.78 viewing calls for one setup and 2.35 calls for another. Because I use the zoom method I tweak the lens shift after a ratio change because the lens shift is not precise enough for me.

At the risk of drawing attention to a bit of OCD I have, I go a bit deeper. I have a different overhead configuration for Atmos to DTS X as well as Auro 3D for all upmixing needs, so I do take about 3 minutes to change out pre-outs on the processor and do a quick setup within the menu. Once the movie starts, there may be a couple of channel level adjustments to balance everything out since mixes can vary from time to time. I use the Marantz app on an iPad for my remote control since I have direct access to each channel. After that, I hardly make any additional adjustments. For total immersion, I want to be in the bubble where everything works together.

Projector wise, it detects if it is a 4K or BD and adjusts modes. I also have presets for picture settings which is one button. I have it setup with slight tweaks for changes in sharpness and Iris level depending on if it is a 4K or BD.

Projector also has lens memory settings, but since I have an Anamorphic lens, I don’t need to change anything there.

Not too long of a process, but I want the best representation, so it is worth it to me.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no I would not, but I do tend to be opinionated when it comes to set-ups and when I see it is not right there is a compulsion to fix it. One of my friends wife once mused that the only reason her husband invites me over is for me to tweak his system.

I am always open to suggestions and I appreciate those that are willing to offer their insights. The decision on whether or not to adopt those suggestions must be mine, however.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Readers can click here to see what Spears & Munsil have to say about using blue filters. Blue filters were included in the 1st and 2nd edition of the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark.

They were included because at the time more people still use CRT. THX, ISF, even Stacey Spears himself stated to only use blue filter just for CRT. Besides, in terms of tint, nearly all display already have tint perfect (actually, tint is an SD control only. HD and UHD no longer have tint needed to be adjusted.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

I have a different overhead configuration for Atmos to DTS X as well as Auro 3D for all upmixing needs, so I do take about 3 minutes to change out pre-outs on the processor and do a quick setup within the menu.

That gives me the impression you are using different amps and speakers for different versions of immersive audio. If I were doing that I would probably use the same amps and switch the speakers using heavy duty Potter & Brumfield relays (24VAC). I would control the relays with a Velleman MK161 IR receiver. You may need the Velleman MK162 remote to learn the IR commands.

This way I could switch configurations with the MX-980 remote. I don’t know anything about the Marantz AVP but as noted earlier the Yamaha has two speaker configurations, called Patterns (placement, trim levels, distance, etc.) and these configurations can be selected in any of the 12 Scene memories as shown below (it says AV Receiver but it is a AVP).

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That gives me the impression you are using different amps and speakers for different versions of immersive audio. If I were doing that I would probably use the same amps and switch the speakers using heavy duty Potter & Brumfield relays (24VAC). I would control the relays with a Velleman MK161 IR receiver. You may need the Velleman MK162 remote to learn the IR commands.

This way I could switch configurations with the MX-980 remote. I don’t know anything about the Marantz AVP but as noted earlier the Yamaha has two speaker configurations, called Patterns (placement, trim levels, distance, etc.) and these configurations can be selected in any of the 12 Scene memories as shown below (it says AV Receiver but it is a AVP).

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I fell just looking at that image and reading your remarks. If you enjoy all of this complexity, that's splendiferous, but it sure seems excessively nerdgasmic to me. If you wanted to boil water; you'd probably construct a hydrothermal plant to just brew a nice hot cup of joe.

My simple pressing of four to five buttons on the remotes that came with my gear is all I need to do almost every time that I watch anything. My display and avr remember all of my preferred settings. Turn the stuff on and press play; it doesn't need to be any harder than that.

I admire the many talents of the technically gifted, but for all of their vast knowledge, they tend to convolute everything forgetting that most of their end users just want to enjoy this stuff without the need for an A/V engineering background.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I fell just looking at that image and reading your remarks. If you enjoy all of this complexity, that's splendiferous, but it sure seems excessively nerdgasmic to me.

Sorry, I don't mean to be a bore, just thought I would give the OP a different view point.

Compared to work my home setup is quite simple. Below are few pictures of Post Audio. Yours truly designed this room including speakers (10) using GenericCADD, did a lot of the physical construction including speakers, all wiring (hundreds of wires) recorded in FileExpress database. Not shown in the equipment room is a Sony PCM-3324.

So to keep it simple I will not include Post Video, Production Control Room, Video Control, Production Audio, Master Control, Satellite Uplink, Auditorium/Screening and Mobile Production trailer.

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sorry, I don't mean to be a bore, just thought I would give the OP a different view point.

Compared to work my home setup is quite simple. Below are few pictures of Post Audio. Yours truly designed this room including speakers (10) using GenericCADD, did a lot of the physical construction including speakers, all wiring (hundreds of wires) recorded in FileExpress database. Not shown in the equipment room is a Sony PCM-3324.

So to keep it simple I will not include Post Video, Production Control Room, Video Control, Production Audio, Master Control, Satellite Uplink, Auditorium/Screening and Mobile Production trailer.

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No need to apologize; I was amused, not bored. Your expertise is well established, but you sometimes have a tendency to speak over people's heads. The ability to express complex ideas in layman's terms is far more of a gift than speaking in technobabble to other geeks; the former manner of speech is inclusive, the latter is exclusive.

If I discuss my railroad experience using mostly railroad jargon, few besides other railroaders will understand me. If I want to include a wider audience I have to alter my approach to accommodate those without such a background.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No need to apologize; I was amused, not bored. Your expertise is well established, but you sometimes have a tendency to speak over people's heads.

Interesting. I sometimes worry that my post are to abbreviated and is the reason I try to include references and links.

One thing for sure, I do not have your writing skills.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I fell just looking at that image and reading your remarks. If you enjoy all of this complexity, that's splendiferous, but it sure seems excessively nerdgasmic to me. If you wanted to boil water; you'd probably construct a hydrothermal plant to just brew a nice hot cup of tea.

My simple pressing of four to five buttons on the remotes that came with my gear is all I need to do almost every time that I watch anything. My display and avr remember all of my preferred settings. Turn the stuff on and press play; it doesn't need to be any harder than that.

can't talk about Wendel, and this is not my remote configuration but it is the antique (Philips stopped production of the remote and the whole line around a decade ago) I have in my HT and shows the different concepts I use

[img]http://www.remotecentral.com/newsphotos/wn000427.jpg[/im]

Yes, the backend might be complex and nerdgasmic, yes you need to put some hours to configure it all (if it is DIY), but in the end it is much simpler, you can get the most out of the experience and your equipment.

I like that with button #1, the music starts, the screen rolls up or down for full screen mode, the curtains open up and a short video starts playing ready for the feature presentation and , if the settings are not right with button #2 the screen rolls up or down and the curtains open more or close a bit so that the image is perfectly framed and the audio is at its best.

For me it is not just about an excuse to sit for hours like most people it is not like many on this thread just about enjoying a film it is about trying to reach the perfect experience (and allowing others in my home to do the same)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Interesting. I sometimes worry that my post are to abbreviated and is the reason I try to include references and links.

One thing for sure, I do not have your writing skills.

Effective communication requires that you know your audience and that you share a common reference frame. If I walked into a 300 level college physics course and tried to start learning from that point, I would be lost.

Abbreviations and concise statements are fine if they are commonly understood and foundational to the discussion; otherwise they are an aggravation as your reader has to look them up just to know what is being talked about. If I were to tell you that it is important to confirm that the HEP was shut down and isolated before working between or under passenger rail cars, would you know what I was talking about?

References are helpful, but not if they are so technical that the intended audience won't understand them.

Your writing skills are just fine. I have found that people that have expertise in one area can often expand that to include other areas if they want to make the effort. You could possibly teach me and others how to use that room that you built if you really wanted to expend the effort...and if you had the patience.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For me it is not just about an excuse to sit for hours like most people it is not like many on this thread just about enjoying a film it is about trying to reach the perfect experience (and allowing others in my home to do the same)

I certainly want an immersive and highly enjoyable viewing and listening experience, and I usually achieve it, but I have no illusions about ever having the means to even approach perfection. I don't think perfection is even possible, but the pursuit of it is damn fun.

[The_Donster]

What Vilya said Wendell. I think your writing/communication skills are just fine. It is the technical A/V stuff where you and some of the more tech savvy people lose me. At work I’m constantly saying kiss (keep it simple stupid) in my head when explaining what I want done or having a process explained to me. That being said, I do appreciate the effort and expertise you bring to the table compared to those who think they know what their talking about. I’m just a common man, but I know what bullshit smells like

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I fell just looking at that image and reading your remarks. If you enjoy all of this complexity, that's splendiferous, but it sure seems excessively nerdgasmic to me. If you wanted to boil water; you'd probably construct a hydrothermal plant to just brew a nice hot cup of joe.

My simple pressing of four to five buttons on the remotes that came with my gear is all I need to do almost every time that I watch anything. My display and avr remember all of my preferred settings. Turn the stuff on and press play; it doesn't need to be any harder than that.

I admire the many talents of the technically gifted, but for all of their vast knowledge, they tend to convolute everything forgetting that most of their end users just want to enjoy this stuff without the need for an A/V engineering background.

I certainly can appreciate that point of view as I know I tend to (along with Wendell) be a bit further down the rabbit hole with this stuff at times.

But I look at it kinda look cooking pork chops. I can simply take them out of the package and throw them on the gas grill with a bit of seasoning on them, and enjoy a good meal. Or I could get them from the butcher, season overnight, put them on the kettle grill using lump charcoal after waiting for the fire to get to where it needs to be, and enjoy some amazing tasting chops. One method is certainly more work than the other, but the experience is always worth it to me.

All this for a meal that takes about 15 minutes to eat, compared to a few minutes of setup within my system to enjoy a 2 hr movie.

Just a different approach to the same end goal of enjoying a movie or show.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That gives me the impression you are using different amps and speakers for different versions of immersive audio. If I were doing that I would probably use the same amps and switch the speakers using heavy duty Potter & Brumfield relays (24VAC). I would control the relays with a Velleman MK161 IR receiver. You may need the Velleman MK162 remote to learn the IR commands.

This way I could switch configurations with the MX-980 remote. I don’t know anything about the Marantz AVP but as noted earlier the Yamaha has two speaker configurations, called Patterns (placement, trim levels, distance, etc.) and these configurations can be selected in any of the 12 Scene memories as shown below (it says AV Receiver but it is a AVP).

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I do use different amps and different speakers as you guessed. I am checking out the links now, and thanks for the suggestions. I do like the idea of having two different patterns in the processor though.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sorry, I don't mean to be a bore, just thought I would give the OP a different view point.

Compared to work my home setup is quite simple. Below are few pictures of Post Audio. Yours truly designed this room including speakers (10) using GenericCADD, did a lot of the physical construction including speakers, all wiring (hundreds of wires) recorded in FileExpress database. Not shown in the equipment room is a Sony PCM-3324.

So to keep it simple I will not include Post Video, Production Control Room, Video Control, Production Audio, Master Control, Satellite Uplink, Auditorium/Screening and Mobile Production trailer.

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Very impressive but no Macs? .