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Old 09-04-2019, 12:13 AM   #401
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Can’t wait. Hope mine lands end of week.
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:30 AM   #402
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Just to go back to the notion of Sony releasing a UHD of their own, I dug out the UK Sony BD of the theatrical cut and wanted to get a look at the menu again to see if it was as I remembered i.e. very Lionsgatey with the way that you cycle through the options (play, setup, scene selection etc) on the left side of the screen rather than having a cursor that travels left and right over the options. It also does that boxout thing that Lionsgate discs do (or did) when you press the pop-up menu button e.g.



Now, obviously it's not a clone of the US theatrical disc as the audio is changed from DTS-HD MA 7.1 to TrueHD 5.1 and it also has a Sony Home Entertainment logo at startup, but dat menu layout is unmistakable. What am I saying? I don't really know, except that the Sony theatrical BD isn't as far flung from the Lionsgate as one might imagine.
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:12 AM   #403
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The Sony 3:10 To Yuma is much the same:
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:18 AM   #404
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Oooh good spot, that's another Lionsgate joint in the US. But in that case the Sony BD has the better master as we know, it doesn't have the jaggy chroma of the US BD.
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:19 AM   #405
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Just to go back to the notion of Sony releasing a UHD of their own, I dug out the UK Sony BD of the theatrical cut and wanted to get a look at the menu again to see if it was as I remembered i.e. very Lionsgatey with the way that you cycle through the options (play, setup, scene selection etc) on the left side of the screen rather than having a cursor that travels left and right over the options. It also does that boxout thing that Lionsgate discs do (or did) when you press the pop-up menu button e.g.



Now, obviously it's not a clone of the US theatrical disc as the audio is changed from DTS-HD MA 7.1 to TrueHD 5.1 and it also has a Sony Home Entertainment logo at startup, but dat menu layout is unmistakable. What am I saying? I don't really know, except that the Sony theatrical BD isn't as far flung from the Lionsgate as one might imagine.
It's the exact same video encode. Whether Sony would use the digital source or just clone the LG 4K is anyone's guess.
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:31 AM   #406
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3:10 to Yuma is a good comparative reference, including the fact that its own 4k transfer looks equally more blurry and less coloful than its blu ray counterpart LOL. It's like deja vu.....again.....Would it be in bad taste at this time to say I'm almost Dredding the arrival of the 3:10 to Rambo 4k, since some of the detail's apparently gone to Oblivion?
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:43 AM   #407
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Grabbed it Walmart and cancelled my Amazon order. I can't even count the number of times that Amazon has failed to deliver on release date by 1-2 weeks. I guess with how much money they make it doesn't really matter but they've certainly lost a lot of sales by how many times I've had to cancel.
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:48 AM   #408
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Grabbed it Walmart and cancelled my Amazon order. I can't even count the number of times that Amazon has failed to deliver on release date by 1-2 weeks. I guess with how much money they make it doesn't really matter but they've certainly lost a lot of sales by how many times I've had to cancel.
Oh! So some Walmarts got it after all, huh?
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Oh! So some Walmarts got it after all, huh?
My Walmart is pretty mind boggling when it comes to 4K. They get everything. Stand by Me, Apocalypse Now, all of the Rambos, Ghostbusters, etc. If it looks like Amazon isn't going to deliver on the release date, chances are that Walmart has it for the same or cheaper price.

...but you have to go into Walmart.
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:41 AM   #410
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well I called around 2:30 this afternoon my local Walmart and they had this in stock

apparently it wasn't until other day they had stand by me and Apocalypse Now 4k's in despite I waited 3 hours tues and I try to stay few mins Friday night to try to get stand by me 4k

had stand by me 4k at front but I already order bullmoose Friday night got today in mail but at least I was able to get Rambo 2008 Walmart today

my Walmart needs to get things straighten out on 4k movies when release on tues its ridiculous if I didn't order stand by me 4k Friday night I would had to wait until today to get it Walmart meh

its funny I sold Rambo extended cut bluray game exchange past Friday night and got it back again inside the 4k oh well
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:18 AM   #411
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I've had Rambo 4K pre-ordered from Best Buy for quite awhile, but I got an email from Best Buy today saying the shipping has been delayed until possibly October 3. I have no idea why.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:52 AM   #412
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You've obviously never created ANYTHING. There are so many factors that play into scenes getting cut and a lot of them don't have anything to do with lacking substance or meaning. As someone who is constantly editing/creating, I can tell you there is one constant in the process... insecurity. You're always asking yourself, "Is this too long? Too short? Too confusing? Too belabored? Are people going to be bored? Would this be stronger here or much later? Is this scene necessary to bridge these two other scenes or is removing it too jarring" Sometimes there are external pressures to shorten a film or streamline a narrative, especially when there's box office dollars at risk. Most extended or director's cuts are born out of the nagging creative regret that you didn't get something quite right or weren't given the opportunity or time to make it the best you could. I have things I created YEARS ago that I still look at occasionally and I can easily see edits and choices so obviously wrong now that I didn't see at the time, even though NO ONE would ever see it the same way. So while, yes... there are cases where a studio just inserts a bunch of scenes without the filmmaker's involvement (the Lethal Weapon films are prime examples which is why those are no longer out there), MOST extended or director's cuts are actually overseen and approved by the filmmakers.

But gather round boys and girls and hear the tale about how the Rambo Extended Cut came to be...

Back in February 2008 as we were finishing work on the original Rambo Blu-ray, I got an email late one night from the studio telling me that Sly wanted to do a Director's Cut of the film. The first thing I did was tell them not to call it a director's cut as it implied Sly didn't have final cut on the film because he indeed DID have final cut. We had actually specifically mentioned in the featurettes that he had final cut, so while the extended cut could rightly be called a director's cut, so could the theatrical. What had happened was that in the process of compiling the deleted scenes for the theatrical Blu-ray, as Sly was revisiting them, he really started to regret cutting certain scenes and some of the other editorial choices they'd made. Given that we were essentially done with the theatrical Blu-ray and just about ready to ship it and it would have caused massive distribution problems to delay the release to include the extended cut (which wasn't even started yet), it was decided to not rush and give Sly ample time to recut the film and give that cut a release of it's own closer to the release of The Expendables. So please understand that when Sly says the extended cut (JOHN RAMBO) is the best version of his film... he has no interest in anyone disagreeing with him.
Thank you for saying this Cliff, in words more eloquent than mine could ever be. I believe it was on the audio commentary for Rambo 4 that Sly specifically said that when you watch a film a year later, you’re almost never happy with the cut and want to revise things, which is why we get these types of extended director’s cuts after the fact. In fact I’m pretty sure in that commentary he was talking about things he regretted cutting - it makes sense that he decided on an extended cut around that time. Thank you for sharing this anecdote too, I love it when you drop these things into your posts.

I’ve been in the same boat as you, too. I even did a bit of a George Lucas once, and while preparing one of my features for a Blu-ray, I decided to change a couple of minor things and replace the streaming version with the updated master.
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Old 09-04-2019, 10:26 AM   #413
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Such an odd disc. There is little to no uptick in resolution and the HDR is subtle, at best. But... the contrast is so much nicer, at least to my eyes. The nighttime scenes benefit the most, with nice new inky blacks.

I think Geoff was correct in his assumption about the transfer deriving from a film-out, as the image is by no means super sharp, but has a very organic texture to it that I didn't see on the Blu-ray.

Recommending it to people who aren't head over heels in love with how film looks might not be the best idea. But since I am one of those types of people, I am quite happy with the result. YMMV
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Such an odd disc. There is little to no uptick in resolution and the HDR is subtle, at best. But... the contrast is so much nicer, at least to my eyes. The nighttime scenes benefit the most, with nice new inky blacks.

I think Geoff was correct in his assumption about the transfer deriving from a film-out, as the image is by no means super sharp, but has a very organic texture to it that I didn't see on the Blu-ray.

Recommending it to people who aren't head over heels in love with how film looks might not be the best idea. But since I am one of those types of people, I am quite happy with the result. YMMV
The audio upgrade itself would make it worthwhile...
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:27 PM   #415
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Such an odd disc. There is little to no uptick in resolution and the HDR is subtle, at best. But... the contrast is so much nicer, at least to my eyes. The nighttime scenes benefit the most, with nice new inky blacks.

I think Geoff was correct in his assumption about the transfer deriving from a film-out, as the image is by no means super sharp, but has a very organic texture to it that I didn't see on the Blu-ray.

Recommending it to people who aren't head over heels in love with how film looks might not be the best idea. But since I am one of those types of people, I am quite happy with the result. YMMV
I watched this last night and it’s basically how I feel, too.
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:54 PM   #416
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I found myself in the same boat as others with a pointlessly delayed Amazon preorder once again, so I grabbed the 4k release this am at Best Buy, and cancelled Amazon pronto. And once again, it felt good. Brick and mortar gratification can be as old-fashioned satisfying as the physical media itself sometimes....

I love this film, waited for its 4k release earnestly, and thoroughly enjoyed viewing it again, as usual. But where to begin....?

This 4k release is a real mixed bag. The good, the bad and the ugly, no doubt. Very much so.

First, a little of the good: 1) better contrast in many scenes helps reduce "glare" effect in the endless smoke and mist 2) warmer, more natural, and more filmic in some few scenes throughout 3) the overblown yellow sunlight sheen has been reigned in for certain scenes 4) some of the grain resolves more naturally in many scenes...

And some bad: 1) noticeably less fine detail and sharpness throughout 2) the weird, almost cloying olive-drab cast over several scenes 3) the foliage actually looks less natural instead of more natural throughout the film, except for a few scenes, which is contrary to what I was expecting 4) the cgi blood looks worse to me in some but not all scenes, against the drab earth-tone color timing 5) the revised contrast actually doesn't benefit many of the scenes as one might expect...and the grain field begins to look inconsistent briefly....I see it swarming here and there on things like wooden planks and docks, the occasional face....

And the ugly: 1) the color regrading is flat-out botched in many places, as from one scene to the next. There is very little consistency in many areas of the film, caused by the color timing revision attempts, and it has nothing to do with the source material because this issue is not nearly so present on the blu ray (if at all). One moment, a specific scene displays one color palette, and seconds later, another angle and display of the exact same scenery contains a completely different, glaringly inconsistent color timing altogether that has been applied. A prime example is when the river boat first arrives at its destination loaded with Rambo and the hired rescue mercs. Two seconds later, as the boat docks and the same scene is viewed from a different angle from up the hill to the left, the boat, the dirt, the trees, the water..is all suddenly a drastically different, even less flattering color. It takes one straight out of the film and is highly distracting, at least to me. It caught me entirely off-guard, and was abrupt enough that it actually made me rewind and watch the scene again. It is also very noticeable at the end of the film where Rambo first arrives at a certain property, and seconds later walks down the long drive toward it, and the color timing of the exact same terrain and foliage is suddenly drastically different. It's like two different people were working on the color regrade from scene to scene, on different days, and not consulting each other, or even referring back to the prior scene. Not the case on the blu ray. This happens in several places throughout the 4k presentation, and strikes me as sloppy/lazy/bad revisionism at its worst 2) Did I mention that noticeably lesser sharpness of the presentation...combined with the blurry filming style of some action scenes and in several instances of the more drab, almost articificially olive and brown color timing in many jungle scenes, it feels like I'm back in time watching my old lackluster dvd of the film instead. It's NOT really more filmic in several such instances, just way more "flat". While the over-hyped blu occasionally looks video-ish, the underhyped 4k can actually look dvd'ish.

In short, half the film looks nicer on the blu ray, the other half looks nicer on the 4k.

In the end, the odd and very inconsistent application of revised color timing
in back-to-back scenes, which I can't "unsee" now, and the lack of detail, work in collusion to pull me out of the 4k's oddball presentation. I occasionally found myself yearning for the uglier but actually less overall flawed and more consistently harsh, but sharply detailed and crisp, 1080p blu ray presentation, which almost fits the over-the-top nature of the film a little better, to me. I feel the 4k is more of a lateral move, that equally or more severely trips and stumbles with its own host of new foibles....

There are no clear winners or losers here, like in the film itself....just more confusion and dead benjamins everywhere......So, depending on how it looks on your particular a/v equipment, pick yer poison. The sound, of course, is killer on both presentations, a bit more bombastic and immersive here and there on the 4k. And no matter what, you'll wind up thoroughly enjoying one of the most brutal and exciting action films ever crafted.

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Old 09-04-2019, 10:10 PM   #417
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I'm still looking forward to seeing this, in a perverse sort of way. Daylight, are the timing discrepancies there on both cuts of the film? You don't say which version you watched.

I watched a few minutes of the theatrical BD and I was surprised at how decent it looked. The highlights are blown out to **** (though we didn't know that at the time ) but the detail is excellent and it's got a nice sprinkling of grain. The UK theatrical Blu being a port of the Lionsgate encode gave me pause but then I remembered: 10-odd years ago Lionsgate's BD encoding wasn't bad at all, nothing like the posterised-to-hell pieces of shit that they've put out on 1080p in recent years.
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Ok, on the AQ, This movie is INSANE this is the Godzilla of action movie. That is until I hear John Wicky I had my AV on -30 with 0 being Ear Bleeding. I know some people hav their AV's louder. But I use amps and -30 is loud any number lower will be too much
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Ok, on the AQ, This movie is INSANE this is the Godzilla of action movie. That is until I hear John Wicky I had my AV on -30 with 0 being Ear Bleeding. I know some people hav their AV's louder. But I use amps and -30 is loud any number lower will be too much
Try adding BEQ to it as well. Double thumbs up...

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I'm still looking forward to seeing this, in a perverse sort of way. Daylight, are the timing discrepancies there on both cuts of the film? You don't say which version you watched.

I watched a few minutes of the theatrical BD and I was surprised at how decent it looked. The highlights are blown out to **** (though we didn't know that at the time ) but the detail is excellent and it's got a nice sprinkling of grain. The UK theatrical Blu being a port of the Lionsgate encode gave me pause but then I remembered: 10-odd years ago Lionsgate's BD encoding wasn't bad at all, nothing like the posterised-to-hell pieces of shit that they've put out on 1080p in recent years.
Yes I watched it a few months back. Still holds up, a little flat looking though. I’m curious what the foliage looks like, definitely lacked vibrancy. But that’s my major complaint with all SDR content now.
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