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[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

You didn’t like the Aladdin sequels? I thought they were great!

I know Return of Jafar was just the first three episodes of the Aladdin TV series knitted together, and I liked that show well-enough, even though I never bought Iago's character rehab. King of Thieves has Robin Williams returning as the genie going for it, but the production values on both are pretty cheap. You get what you pay for.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

Ah, childhood.

yeah, they played it so much and I'd watch it everytime

Originally Posted by Sawasdee1983

Only the Lion King Sequels and maybe the Jungle Book Sequel. The Rest? Not Really

Even then, you can skip 1 1/2 because it offers nothing. Just trying to throw a boring Timon and Pumba backstory into TLK.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I know Return of Jafar was just the first three episodes of the Aladdin TV series knitted together, and I liked that show well-enough, even though I never bought Iago's character rehab. King of Thieves has Robin Williams returning as the genie going for it, but the production values on both are pretty cheap. You get what you pay for.

Was it the first three episodes of was it just to promote the show that was coming out by releasing a new movie? I know Atlantis 2, Tarzan & Jane, and I think Belle's Magical World and Cinderella 2 were just using episodes produced to try and get series greenlit based on those franchise (and T&J was episodes not in the series) so they don't really offer anything. Atlantis is fine if you enjoy the first and they tried to tie them together enough to be thematic but Cinderella 2 was unrelated stories and not even good ones. I actually prefer Mulan 2 to Cinderella 2.

Bambi 2, 101 Dalmatians 2, both The Little Mermaid movies (one is a prequel, it's actually better than the 2nd) and Lady & The Tramp 2 are just average, not entirely worthless but if you miss it it's no big deal. Bambi 2 just offers nothing, there's a reason that time of his life wasn't brought up in the first movie. Lilo & Stitch 2 was pretty good, but Stitch and Leroy & Stitch serve as the pilot and finale of the tv series. I honestly don't remember Return to Neverland or Jungle Book 2 so I can't speak on those. Apart from those, the only good STV ones are that are actually worth watching are TLK 2 and the Aladdin sequels

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by kevin87

Was it the first three episodes of was it just to promote the show that was coming out by releasing a new movie? I know Atlantis 2, Tarzan & Jane, and I think Belle's Magical World and Cinderella 2 were just using episodes produced to try and get series greenlit based on those franchise (and T&J was episodes not in the series) so they don't really offer anything. Atlantis is fine if you enjoy the first and they tried to tie them together enough to be thematic but Cinderella 2 was unrelated stories and not even good ones. I actually prefer Mulan 2 to Cinderella 2.

Bambi 2, 101 Dalmatians 2, both The Little Mermaid movies (one is a prequel, it's actually better than the 2nd) and Lady & The Tramp 2 are just average, not entirely worthless but if you miss it it's no big deal. Bambi 2 just offers nothing, there's a reason that time of his life wasn't brought up in the first movie. Lilo & Stitch 2 was pretty good, but Stitch and Leroy & Stitch serve as the pilot and finale of the tv series. I honestly don't remember Return to Neverland or Jungle Book 2 so I can't speak on those. Apart from those, the only good STV ones are that are actually worth watching are TLK 2 and the Aladdin sequels

In re-runs of Aladdin (the TV series), the Return of Jafar was broken into three episodes, and was planned that way. It's essentially the "pilot" for the series, even though from what I understand, the 1st season didn't include it, it was used later in re-runs in the "three episode" form.

[WesReviews]

Spacecamp?? Did this somehow revert to Fox very recently or did Disney make a deal with MGM?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by WesReviews

Spacecamp?? Did this somehow revert to Fox very recently or did Disney make a deal with MGM?

No idea...might be something associated with Tomorrowland...

[brooks101189]

I said earlier that Bambi 2 was probably the best animation wise (the movie is cutesy sweet, but then again, so is the original outside of a few elements and the sequel does have the legitimately creepy as hell deer call scene. It's just that the sequel is modernized cutesy rather than golden age cutesy), but Cinderella 3 probably had the best story out of all the direct to video sequels and had actual character development with one of the stepsisters and gave some actual personality to the prince. The Lion King 2 tried to do something new, and being one of the earlier titles feels like effort was put in it (but it doesn't touch the original at all or even come close).

The worst is Fox and the Hound 2, so much so that it's insulting. I hear Hunchback 2 is absolutely awful though. Brother Bear 2 is actually better than the first to me, but the first one did feel direct-to-videoish anyway. Mulan 2 and Tarzan 2 are just sorta there, they're not awful, not great, they just sorta exist.

[filmbuffTX]

Originally Posted by WesReviews

Spacecamp?? Did this somehow revert to Fox very recently or did Disney make a deal with MGM?

ABC Motion Pictures produced the film, which had a distribution deal with Fox. Both entities are controlled by Disney.

Here’s the list of films that they produced:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...asting_Company

[BlueberryWaffles]

Is the original Muppet Show coming? I'd love to get that on there, especially since Disney never put the last few seasons out on DVD.

[jpaul1972]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Eventually, maybe...they're going to have to continue to add to it over the months to keep it interesting. Everybody's going to binge The Mandalorian on launch day, they're going to have to keep plussing the content. By the time Obi-Wan hits in 2021 or so, it should be a very impressive service, especially with the new Marvel shows. They could easily add shorts by character, or by series (say, the Silly Symphonies).

Actually they won't be able to binge watch the newer shows (i.e. The Mandalorian) as they've announced that they'll release these weekly.

[brooks101189]

I half believe all the Netflix Disney titles will be available Day One and Disney's just keeping quiet about it.

I mean, people thought the Star Wars movies wouldn't appear on the service, but here we are with all but maybe Solo and Last Jedi.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

I half believe all the Netflix Disney titles will be available Day One and Disney's just keeping quiet about it.

I mean, people thought the Star Wars movies wouldn't appear on the service, but here we are with all but maybe Solo and Last Jedi.

They have to wait for the licensing terms to expire, it will be a while until all Disney/Fox content disappears from Netflix.

[darthtoon]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

I half believe all the Netflix Disney titles will be available Day One and Disney's just keeping quiet about it.

I mean, people thought the Star Wars movies wouldn't appear on the service, but here we are with all but maybe Solo and Last Jedi.

you mean: Solo, Last Jedi, and Star Wars: Episode 9

[brooks101189]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

They have to wait for the licensing terms to expire, it will be a while until all Disney/Fox content disappears from Netflix.

Most likely but then again, they bought the rights for the Star Wars prequels and original trilogy back from TBS/TNT/Turner (they were supposed to have exclusive streaming/broadcasting rights till the 2020s) just so the films can pop up on Disney Plus. That was a big deal when it was announced back in April.

I still can see them negotiating/making a deal with Netflix to reverse their deal and allow Disney to air their own said films on Disney Plus. This hasn't been said outright, but it's certainly possible they've had talks about it.

What's why I said, I half expect.

[spiderfan1985]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

Bambi 2 is probably the best of the bunch, especially animation wise.

I would also say Brother Bear 2 isn't bad either in that regard. The animation and Melissa Etheridge's songs were great. It was solid. Bambi II is my personal fave though. Patrick Stewart as the Great Prince? Make it so! I just want to know if So Weird will be on Disney+. It had better be. It was my favorite DC show back in the day next to Lizzie McGuire (and I know that is going to be there) and I just hate that Disney has tried so hard to bury it. I'm still planning to sign up for the Star Wars and Marvel shows and Lady and the Tramp, but So Weird should definitely be on there.

[brooks101189]

Originally Posted by spiderfan1985

I would also say Brother Bear 2 isn't bad either in that regard. The animation and Melissa Etheridge's songs were great. It was solid. Bambi II is my personal fave though. Patrick Stewart as the Great Prince? Make it so! I just want to know if So Weird will be on Disney+. It had better be. It was my favorite DC show back in the day next to Lizzie McGuire (and I know that is going to be there) and I just hate that Disney has tried so hard to bury it. I'm still planning to sign up for the Star Wars and Marvel shows and Lady and the Tramp, but So Weird should definitely be on there.

It apparently is on the leaked list earlier this week (posted a page or so back). Some say that's just the Netherlands but I believe they said we'd have 7500 episodes of TV and 500 movies at launch and that list resembles said goal, though I believe it's 600+ movies on that list. Iger said eventually everything Disney will be on there.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

I said earlier that Bambi 2 was probably the best animation wise (the movie is cutesy sweet, but then again, so is the original outside of a few elements and the sequel does have the legitimately creepy as hell deer call scene. It's just that the sequel is modernized cutesy rather than golden age cutesy)

The charm of childhood gives way to flat out terror, death and violence, while visual poetry is mixed in throughout the film. There are comedic and romantic sequences, but they're there in counterpoint balance. Bambi himself gets shot. It's an odd thing people block out the fright and violence in the film, and seem to only recall fawns and bunnies and skunks. Dialog is held to a bare minimum, and even then, Walt felt there was still too much dialog and wished they had cut the dialog down even more and relied more on the acting, movement, and visuals to carry the picture.

Bambi II is a gab-fest, and not exactly inspired gab at that.

Sorry, I'm very protective of that film. I think Pinocchio is the best of the Walt animated features, but I'd tag Bambi as number two in a death match with Fantasia. Walt himself felt he was never going to top Snow White, so tried different things, and those first five animated features are a wonder. Bambi pushed limits in what audiences would accept in animated drama -- in one instance, they went too far and boarded a sequence where Bambi and the Great Prince come across the dead body of a hunter killed in the forest fire. It stayed in the film in storyboard fashion through the first assembly which was previewed for the studio employees, and when the shot appeared, Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston said "500 people shot straight into the air". Walt cut the scene. Never animated, but the boards exist. Walt was holding true to his statement that he wasn't making movies for children, he was making movies for audiences.



You can't compare Bambi II to anything like that. Bambi II *is* a film made for a demographic, like many of the direct-to-video titles. They're the equivalent of made-for-tv animated babysitters. ("Kiddo, we have to do our taxes, here's Lady and the Tramp II. Now sit here and watch the puppy and be quiet for 80 minutes...")

Maybe I'm just being intractable.

[brooks101189]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The charm of childhood gives way to flat out terror, death and violence, while visual poetry is mixed in throughout the film. There are comedic and romantic sequences, but they're there in counterpoint balance. Bambi himself gets shot. It's an odd thing people block out the fright and violence in the film, and seem to only recall fawns and bunnies and skunks. Dialog is held to a bare minimum, and even then, Walt felt there was still too much dialog and wished they had cut the dialog down even more and relied more on the acting, movement, and visuals to carry the picture.

Bambi II is a gab-fest, and not exactly inspired gab at that.

Sorry, I'm very protective of that film. I think Pinocchio is the best of the Walt animated features, but I'd tag Bambi as number two in a death match with Fantasia. Walt himself felt he was never going to top Snow White, so tried different things, and those first five animated features are a wonder. Bambi pushed limits in what audiences would accept in animated drama -- in one instance, they went too far and boarded a sequence where Bambi and the Great Prince come across the dead body of a hunter killed in the forest fire. It stayed in the film in storyboard fashion through the first assembly which was previewed for the studio employees, and when the shot appeared, Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston said "500 people shot straight into the air". Walt cut the scene. Never animated, but the boards exist. Walt was holding true to his statement that he wasn't making movies for children, he was making movies for audiences.

You can't compare Bambi II to anything like that. Bambi II *is* a film made for a demographic, like many of the direct-to-video titles. They're the equivalent of made-for-tv animated babysitters. ("Kiddo, we have to do our taxes, here's Lady and the Tramp II. Now sit here and watch the puppy and be quiet for 80 minutes...")

Maybe I'm just being intractable, but if you have the balls to make a sequel to Bambi -- one that is supposed to take place in the middle of the original film -- brother, you better bring it.

"A young prince does not say...woo-hoo."

Ugh...*click!*

This is a pretty good defense, on the opposite end with me Bambi was never really one of my all time favorites, so the sequel didn't bother me quite so much. I do stand by what I said about it being the best looking of the direct-to-video sequels though. Both films are in reality gorgeous. I suppose I'm a tad more lenient

Let's be kinda honest, Bambi 2 isn't really all sunshine and lollipops and cutesy for its entire length. I guess I'll spoiler this even though both films are several years old.

[Show spoiler] It features its own moments of darkness. I mean the sequel opens right after the events of his mom's death, there's the entire sequence where he hears what he believes to be his mother calling him out in an open field, only for it to be a deer call and having dogs chase him, a doe almost falling victim to said dogs with the dogs then hunting Bambi in tall grass ala The Lost World: Jurassic Park, of all things. Plus open for interpretation but Bambi also technically kicks one of those dogs to its death (the other dies too). They may not compare to the originals death of Bambi's mother, the forest fire or the one bird being shot down, but the darkness is there, especially in that deer call scene.

Plus, around the first time I watched Bambi in the 90s, I also read the book Bambi...and that book is a lot more traumatic. I've actually never revisited the book for that reason, however I vividly remember the hunter's body in the book. I had to look it up just now to confirm it, but that whole sequence is in the book.

Edit: Looking back, it seems that Bambi 2 took things from the book as well, the hunter's call in particular.

Anywhoooooooooo, come November, I will become pretty much addicted to Disney Plus.

[worldchmps]

If you want to watch a bad sequel try to sit through Pocahontas 2. It’s soooooooo awful. I love Pocahontas despite more factual errors than can be mentioned in one post. But it’s entertaining, the songs are great and it shows Native Americans in a good light versus what people thought of them. But man, the sequel is awful! So very awful! Awful to the point of being funny at how bad it is!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by brooks101189

This is a pretty good defense, on the opposite end with me Bambi was never really one of my all time favorites, so the sequel didn't bother me quite so much. I do stand by what I said about it being the best looking of the direct-to-video sequels though.

Without question. Andreas Deja was worried when he took the assignment on the animation, asking himself, "Can I even do this?" The character animation in the film is the best thing about it.

As for the art direction, it sometimes came across like an imitation -- they had the look down, but not the soul. Like the scene where Bambi and the Great Prince are running with the stags, and the deer are doing the weird color shifts seen during the panic on the meadow in the original film. In the '42 film, those color shifts were meant to express the terror of the animals, from wild yellows to blues. Here, they do that look, but they're just romping around in the meadow -- imitating the look, but not getting the point of what it meant in the first place.

As for the book, I always recommend it to my wife when she's looking for something new to read. It's terrific. You read it and you understand why Walt was so determined to get the "two leaves" sequence into the film. I own the first edition U.S. pressing, it was a birthday present when I was 30 years old. It's pushing 100 years old now and has seen better days, really need to look into preserving it.

[N8 Storm]

I tried arguing the point to Disney about my zip code having part of it under a 6 percent sales tax which I am under versus 7 percent sales tax, but they wouldn't budge. Oh well.

I need me some Droids, Ewoks, and Gummi Bears.