Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by gotmule

1st CD player I bought was a Yamaha single disc player in the summer of 1984. I drove an hour to buy Pink Floyd The Wall as I wanted that to be my first disc. Still have it and it plays fine, which is saying something since it had to survive 5 years of college. The player apparently had a problem with beer being spilled on it however.

Ah yes, the old beer in the CD player. If I had a nickel... At least your Floyd survived the college years. I recall I had the Sony 801ES back in the day. In fact I still do... somewhere around here (no beer spills - that I know of). I need to dig it out one of these days. The rosewood sides were classy. Oddly when doing a search for pics/info, there's not much out there for this model.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're going to Love your new Sony UHD TV, and at 85" it must look Spectacular! So you have tried the Streaming, is that with the Android Apps? How is your Sony set up Wired or Wireless and what Streaming Providers have you checked out? Because I can Stream flawlessly to any Provider, and I want to see how your Streaming is working out now.

I am very happy with my decision. The picture quality is excellent and it is superior to my 60" LG UH8500. The FALD is a huge improvement over the LG's edge lit design. The Sony 900F's 85" screen size is a stunner. The new TV makes watching movies and TV shows an event!

I have watched Netflix, Youtube, and Vudu, so far, and these services look really good, often excellent, even on this much larger screen. The only streaming service that has historically given me any trouble is Amazon Prime; I have yet to try them on this TV. I use the streaming apps that are installed on the TV.

My 4K discs and blu-rays look awesome, which is of the most importance to me by far. I have yet to see how a DVD fares at 85", but I am confident that they will look tolerable to decent.

Both of my TVs are hard wired to the internet because the wire is already in place to do so. I get the same streaming results over either a wired or a wireless network as I have said before.

[sapiendut]

Prime have always been crappy regardless using my Sony TV, Panasonic player and TV, Nvidia Shield.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Prime have always been crappy regardless using my Sony TV, Panasonic player and TV, Nvidia Shield.

Many of our members have been critical of Amazon Prime streaming no matter how they stream it. I have called Amazon's so-called tech support and they just blame my ISP even though I have no issues streaming from anyone else.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Happy birthday to the CD player. 37 years ago today on October 1, 1982 the first CD player was released. #VivaLaPhysicalMedia

My first CD player was the Yamaha CD-X1 purchased in late 1983 for $550! That's equivalent to $1417 today. It lasted about 18 years before the laser started to fail. It was a good machine.

I still have my first CD, too: Al Stewart's The Year Of The Cat. It still played fine the last time that I checked.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Just received 7 catalog titles on Blu-ray and only one title, Apocalypse Now Final Cut, had a digital code. Apocalypse Now is the new UHD/4K Blu-ray release. When I scanned the QR code I was given a choice of iTunes or VUDU, there was no option for any other digital provider.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Many of our members have been critical of Amazon Prime streaming no matter how they stream it. I have called Amazon's so-called tech support and they just blame my ISP even though I have no issues streaming from anyone else.

Yeah. I have 1 Gig connection with 600 Mbps sustained download in the worst case scenario, yet they still blame my ISP.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My first CD player was the Yamaha CD-X1 purchased in late 1983 for $550! That's equivalent to $1417 today. It lasted about 18 years before the laser started to fail. It was a good machine.

I still have my first CD, too: Al Stewart's The Year Of The Cat. It still played fine the last time that I checked.

Cool first CD. I wonder if years from now, someone will remember their first download.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Yeah. I have 1 Gig connection with 600 Mbps sustained download in the worst case scenario, yet they still blame my ISP.

I have no problem with Amazon Prime, but my ISP uses Century Link to tie into the Fiber Backbone, so that is a direct link to the CDN.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Ah yes, the old beer in the CD player. If I had a nickel... At least your Floyd survived the college years. I recall I had the Sony 801ES back in the day. In fact I still do... somewhere around here (no beer spills - that I know of). I need to dig it out one of these days. The rosewood sides were classy. Oddly when doing a search for pics/info, there's not much out there for this model.

Beautiful player. I have an ES player in my 2 channel system, but it is not classy enough to have rosewood sides.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Many of our members have been critical of Amazon Prime streaming no matter how they stream it. I have called Amazon's so-called tech support and they just blame my ISP even though I have no issues streaming from anyone else.

These are download sizes to my iPad, not streaming, but I expect the bitrate rankings for streaming wouldn't really deviate from the following:

Avengers: Endgame

7.56 GB - iTunes
5.88 GB - Movies Anywhere
3.71 GB - Vudu
1.38 GB - Amazon (Download Quality - Best, ~0.9GB per hour)


For reference, the iTunes 720p version is 6.85 GB and SD version is 3.25 GB.

I own the 4K but max resolution for download allowed by studios is 1080p afaik. I'm sure the iTunes version is 1080p and I'm assuming both MA and Vudu are also 1080p/HDX.

Amazon, I have no idea what resolution they use for their downloads. Regardless of resolution, it's pretty bitrate starved. Actual average bitrate is like 1/2 of their estimate. According to the Prime Video app, Streaming Quality - Best is ~5.8GB per hour or ~13Mbps but I wouldn't be surprised if actual bitrates are well below that.

On the upside, Amazon's videos are tolerable enough on an 8-10" iPad and the space savings is useful considering Apple's upcharge for storage.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Amazon uses Amazon CloudFront for Prime and other providers. You can check Amazon speed here. A more extensive test here. When finished mouse over the gray bars for a summary. Click Directory for testing other providers.

If you watch mostly during your local prime time then that is the time you should do your test because there can be substantial differences between prime time and other time periods.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Both of my TVs are hard wired to the internet because the wire is already in place to do so. I get the same streaming results over either a wired or a wireless network as I have said before.

I'm sure you will be happy with the Hard Wire, you'll get the constant full Bandwidth and not worry about interference or loss of signal. Now you have to test out your Amazon Prime and see how that works.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I have no problem with Amazon Prime, but my ISP uses Century Link to tie into the Fiber Backbone, so that is a direct link to the CDN.

Before posting BS like this you better have a trace results and post those results.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Before posting BS like this you better have a trace results and post those results.

Wendell you're such a Genius, always trying to put people down and discredit them. I got the information about Century Link by talking to the main Tech and VP Scott of Cable Systems Nevada. I know that the Telco's started the Fiber Backbone, and it's just reasonable to believe that it ties into the CDN. I don't have any problems with any Streaming Provider including Amazon Prime. Could it be I have no problems because I'm Fiber all the way from the Streaming Server to my Home! I'll look into that trace, but I'm fairly confident that is the reason. When I have had Streaming problems, it had to do with Century Link issues.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm sure you will be happy with the Hard Wire, you'll get the constant full Bandwidth and not worry about interference or loss of signal. Now you have to test out your Amazon Prime and see how that works.

Not this BS again

If a service requires (say) 30 Mbps, it doesn’t matter whether I use wifi (measured at 200 Mbps constant) or wired (measured at 600 mbps constant). Even when there is a FULL 11 second interruption (yes, I experimented with that), there will be no degradation or hiccup on the movie. Again, yes, I cut the data flow by up to 11 seconds on my wifi, zero difference. There is something called buffer memory, y’know.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just received 7 catalog titles on Blu-ray and only one title, Apocalypse Now Final Cut, had a digital code. Apocalypse Now is the new UHD/4K Blu-ray release. When I scanned the QR code I was given a choice of iTunes or VUDU, there was no option for any other digital provider.

I don't know what you are trying to ask here, but they are cutting down on the Digital Codes. Some Studios think it helps sales, and others don't. The Codes are split between Apple iTunes and the others through Providers like Vudu. When UV shut down MA took over, and if you Link the other Providers the Movies should Port over if they are MA compatible. With UV the Codes worked with both iTunes and the others, making it a double dip. Now with MA it's one or the other. You guys that want to get into Digital have to check all this out by trial and error!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Not this BS again

If a service requires (say) 30 Mbps, it doesn’t matter whether I use wifi (measured at 200 Mbps constant) or wired (measured at 600 mbps constant). Even when there is a FULL 11 second interruption (yes, I experimented with that), there will be no degradation or hiccup on the movie. Again, yes, I cut the data flow by up to 11 seconds on my wifi, zero difference. There is something called buffer memory, y’know.

That's great for you, and how many others have your knowledge to do this? I'm sure not many most will just use sticks or basic Roku. With Wired you just plug in the Cat5/6 and start Streaming. With Wireless you do the same, but there are many other settings to improve the quality. It's just very dependent on the signal and settings. The other is the dependability of the Interface Card, with high end equipment there shouldn't be a problem. With Wired there is less of a problem than Wireless Cards that fail.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you're such a Genius, always trying to put people down and discredit them.

I am no genius, I don't put people up or down, they do that to themselves. Internet video distribution has been covered here ad nauseam but you never learn.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't know what you are trying to ask here, but they are cutting down on the Digital Codes.

Did you see a question mark? I just posted a simple observation of mine.