Terminator: Dark Fate SPOILER Discussion Thread - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pwarner184

Tbh the funniest bit about Dark Fate is the idea that it took the T-1000 several failed attempts over the course of a few weeks to try and kill John Conner, and then in this one Carl just walks up to John, bang and then just buggers off like nothing happened

Yeah. Adopts a wife and kid. Starts a business. Damn, killing a kid can really spell success these days.

Good job it wasn't John Wick's kid. He wouldn't have accepted it and given up like Sarah did.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pwarner184

Tbh the funniest bit about Dark Fate is the idea that it took the T-1000 several failed attempts over the course of a few weeks to try and kill John Conner, and then in this one Carl just walks up to John, bang and then just buggers off like nothing happened

Surprise is the decisive weapon.

Creed · 10-25-2019, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kylor

Sure. John Connor and Sarah Connor walk into a bar. A terminator (Carl) kills John.

Then T1 & T2 combines into 1 movie, with Dani being the new John Connor and Grace being the new Kyle Reese, the Rev-9 being a combination of the Terminator from T1 and the T-1000 from T2 rolled into one, and Skynet is now called Legion. (Oh, how original).

Plot plays out like T2, running from the terminator while Dani's family dies to the Rev-9, just like John Connor's foster family died to the T-1000.

They go for help by finding this Carl who provides them with guns (in T2 this is where they obtain the guns from some Mexican dude to destroy the Cyberdyne building in the desert place with kids fighting) .

They then keep running away from the Rev-9, to an area where they can defeat him (like how they went to the mill in T2 which had enough there to conveniently help kill the T-1000).

Carl is destroyed with Rev-9 clearing existence of terminators in that moment in time (like the terminator in T2 was destroyed with the T-1000, eradicating any existence of terminators).

Can this film be any more original? Wow.

Tim Miller and James Cameron said, **** the OTHER Terminator movies post T2, and yet, they took SHIT from those same movies they ignored, along with making a soft-reboot to T1 and T2......

Ironic.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Creed

Tim Miller and James Cameron said, **** the OTHER Terminator movies post T2, and yet, they took SHIT from those same movies they ignored, along with making a soft-reboot to T1 and T2......

Ironic.

I feel bad for Linda, she got the worst of it. She was thrown into this rehash and didn't even have time to hunt down John's killer as Sarah, even though she hunted terminators for years, she never attempted to get the one that took her son away from her.

Wish she had better writing to work with, because damn, it was bad.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kylor

I feel bad for Linda, she got the worst of it. She was thrown into this rehash and didn't even have time to hunt down John's killer, even though she hunted terminators for years,.

Carl was giving her the coordinates. Easy.

CyberpunkCentral · 10-25-2019, 11:24 PM

I know some people don't like me using the W-word, but there were moments of it. Like, how dare a man be the savior of the human race.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

Carl was giving her the coordinates. Easy.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. That just takes away from T2 even more, since she's supposed to prepare for Judgement Day (when it comes back around again) and raise John accordingly and be independent. You'd think she'd be more militant and actually hunt terminators without a terminators help, but nope. She was done dirty.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:27 PM

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Yeah, I'm aware of that. That just takes away from T2 even more, since she's supposed to prepare for Judgement Day (when it comes back around again) and raise John accordingly. You'd think she'd be more militant, but nope. She was done dirty.

They were sure that it was over. 3 years have passed by since T2. 1997 was a normal year. They were 100% sure the nightmare was over.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

I know some people don't like me using the W-word, but there were moments of it. Like, how dare a man be the savior of the human race.

>Movie tells you Dani's kid is the key to defeating Legion.
>Movie realizes it just put a male as the hero against Legion despite not being born yet.
>Movie backpedals and then shows you that Dani is now the key all along!

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

They were sure that it was over. 3 years have passed by since T2. 1997 was a normal year. They were 100% sure the nightmare was over.

After everything? Lol. After all that independence of Sarah always looking over her shoulder being vigilant over John in T2 and it's simply flushed.

All hail James Cameron.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:31 PM

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>>Movie backpedals and then shows you that Dani is now the key all along!

No Dani, no kid. As simple as that.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

No Dani, no kid. As simple as that.

Did you not see Grace's flashback? Dani's kid wasn't there yet somehow Dani (not her kid) was the key to bringing humans together to be the key to beat Legion. Please.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kylor

After everything? Lol. After all that independence of Sarah always looking over her shoulder being vigilant over John in T2 and it's simply flushed.

All hail James Cameron.

She was tired. 1997 went along without problems. She relaxed. It happens. She's human after all.

Don't forget why she was hospitalized in Pescadero... in the very first place. She lost control over John in the early Nineties. She's unstable.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:35 PM

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Did you not see Grace's flashback? Dani's kid wasn't there yet somehow Dani (not her kid) was the key to bringing humans together

Just part of the equation.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

She was tired. 1997 went along without problems. She relaxed. It happens. She's human after all.

Don't forget why she was hospitalized in Pescadero... in the very first place. She lost control over John in the early Nineties. She's unstable.

And you'd think that'd make her more edgy and alert. Oh well, sucky writing. No biggie.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:38 PM

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And you'd think that'd make her more edgy and alert. Oh well, sucky writing. No biggie.

No, she was and will always be unstable. It's part of her.
And she had just realized that the fixed timeline had somehow turned into a malleable timeline and Skynet was TRULY wiped out from existence.
She was confident.
And she's crazy anyway.

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

Just part of the equation.

As it is, it sucks. They could potentially salvage a lot of things in the sequel (T7, I assume), but at the moment that project is less than interesting to me. But, who knows, they might actually sway me when they throw out a trailer. Depends how they handle it.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:41 PM

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As it is, it sucks. They could potentially salvage a lot of things in the sequel (T7, I assume), but at the moment that project is less than interesting to me. But, who knows, they might actually sway me when they throw out a trailer. Depends how they handle it.

Be confident, man. Be confident. Are you American?

kylor · 10-25-2019, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

No, she was and will always be unstable. It's part of her.
And she had just realized that the fixed timeline had somehow turned into a malleable timeline and Skynet was TRULY wiped out from existence.
She was confident.
And she's crazy anyway.

But if she will always be unstable why then depict her to be so relaxed? Relaxed isn't something normally associated with being unstable. Being alert and edgy is. She just isn't written well IMO. In fact the whole flashback scene with John could be redone IMO to make more sense, having her be alert but despite trying to fight off the terminator and give him a good fight she still fails and John dies in her arms. Would've given her so much more character development to work with. Ugh.

UniSol GR77 · 10-25-2019, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kylor

But if she will always be unstable why then depict her to be so relaxed? Relaxed isn't something normally associated with being unstable. .

Unstable means that she swings from one extreme to another (being depressed or numb).

Beyond that, she was not expecting the T-800, she was a terrorist hiding from the world, she had no weapons with her.

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