Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Live streaming? Yeah, it’s a young persons game for gaming. I can’t recall seeing a single streamer over 50. If we are talking special interests, yeah, I have seen cooking streams with older people.

You do know I’m talking shout Twitch/Youtube style live tv right? I’m not talking about regular streaming.

While I don’t utilize it, I do know people in my demographic that do

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are all over the place, but it's coming down to put up or shut up. Bob Iger with Disney+ is going All In, he says "Innovate or Parish" Streaming is The Future and he will commit Billions to this. Dance all around Streaming, but it should be clear to anyone this is the direction we are going!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/media...ers/index.html

We aren’t all over the place. At least I’m not. I’m laser focussed on building my disc collection to extreme levels with some never before released titles and unusual titles that I never expected to see on Blu-ray. Those discs will be guaranteed to play on the new PS5 and that console will also play UHD discs. That’s a safe bet for at least the next decade.

Your ORIGINAL argument was for the ‘on life support’ Digital HD until you realised that was a dead end and now you are championing Subscription. You continue to deprive yourself of top quality A/V and the reason for this is your setup is bang average. Streaming will look decent to you because you don’t know better. Streaming will sound decent to you because you don’t know better. While my system purrs when it gets a high quality source (UHD, Blu-ray) yours cackles and scratches.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

While I don’t utilize it, I do know people in my demographic that do

For a living?

[Steedeel]

I was listening to a show about podcasts and the creators were mentioning how some broadcasters are deliberately slowing down their dialogue and being as clear as possible for folk who were listening at faster speeds. It got me thinking if speed watching does become the most popular way of watching, (90% or higher) that’s the way they would go with video as well. So, in effect the normal speed wouldn’t be available and they would just make everything more audible.

after all, podcasts are mostly listened to at higher speeds, that market recognises that. In the not too distant future, the industry might be accommodating faster speeds and normal speed is a artefact that no one bothers with.

Also, machine learning could speed up and slow down where appropriate. For example, slow down action scenes and speed up all dialogue scenes on the fly with pitch adjustment.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

For a living?

Yep, but most still have a day job.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Dance all around Streaming, but it should be clear to anyone this is the direction we are going!

Guess you have not heard the latest:

Sony is shutting down PlayStation Vue

Walmart is looking to sell VUDU

Netflix continues to operate in the red, adding another 2.2 billion to their debt.

Hulu another -1.5 billion for the PY

EST for 2018 - +14%. EST for 2019 - Q1 = +6.7%, Q2= -.54%

Do I need to re-post the boothill list for streamers for you?

[The_Donster]

Eh, streaming is like Hydra, Wendell. Cut off the head, two more shall take its place! Neither format is in jeopardy.

[flyry]

Thread title should be renamed "ok Boomer"

[flyry]

Looked at my Amazon history. Have only ordered 10 discs (only 3 non 4k) this year.

2 of them do not come until next month and Parasite probably not until Jan/Feb.

I guess technically 11 as I bought my aunt Wizard of Oz 4k, but also bought the steelbook at Best Buy for myself

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Eh, streaming is like Hydra, Wendell. Cut off the head, two more shall take its place! Neither format is in jeopardy.

OTT (SVOD & AVOD) pay TV has made a lot of gains worldwide and is predicted to continue to do so at the expense of linear pay TV. Info from chart I posted earlier.

EST on the other hand has not done well so its future is an unknown, would not be surprised to see Apple and maybe one more with EST in a few years.

Over the years I have spent a fair amount on devices that could stream, current 3 that I am using have a combined cost of almost $900. I will order a 2019 Nvidia Sheild + IR receiver (another $230) after the Thanksgiving holidays. I stream a lot and have invested a fair amount of money into hardware but at the end of the day, for the most part, it is just pay TV. I do have a few DVD2HD that I stream because they are not available on BD or UHD BD.

[bhampton]

You could worry forever.... or watch stuff while it's available.

I'm going to worry less and watch more.

I mean I have lots of stuff I haven't watched yet....

I understand concerns about things becoming un-available... but really maybe it isn't that much of a big deal ?...

[Wendell R. Breland]

My 2019 Amazon orders = 35 titles, 7 in to order queue, Twilight Time = 4 titles

Got Parasite 3D much sooner than first quoted by Amazon.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

My 2019 Amazon orders = 35 titles, 7 in to order queue, Twilight Time = 4 titles

Got Parasite 3D much sooner than first quoted by Amazon.

78 titles (12 UHD, rest Blu-Ray)

All in by March 2020 got most already.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You could worry forever.... or watch stuff while it's available.

I'm going to worry less and watch more.

I mean I have lots of stuff I haven't watched yet....

I understand concerns about things becoming un-available... but really maybe it isn't that much of a big deal ?...

My concern is more digital trends like watching content sped up and short form and interactive crap disrupting and corrupting long term. The bastardisation of film continues.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

My 2019 Amazon orders = 35 titles, 7 in to order queue, Twilight Time = 4 titles

Got Parasite 3D much sooner than first quoted by Amazon.

Can I play, too?

Amazon = 139 titles (15 of which came from Amazon U.K. and 1 from Amazon.fr)

I don't readily know how many I bought elsewhere; I calculate that in January.

Buying the new TV slowed my movie purchases as it nuked my toy budget for a bit.

That's all I can play today. Carry on.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Can I play, too?

Amazon = 139 titles (15 of which came from Amazon U.K. and 1 from Amazon.fr)

I don't readily know how many I bought elsewhere; I calculate that in January.

Buying the new TV slowed my movie purchases as it nuked my toy budget for a bit.

That's all I can play today. Carry on.

No views on my speed watching post a few posts ago?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Something that baffles me is how streaming isn’t looked at the same way that cable/satellite are? For all intensive purposes you are “renting” the content that you are watching from the providers that you subscribe to. Your quality is only as good as their service. So why aren’t we seeing more pro physical supporters shaking their fists at cable/satellite providers too

Isn't a better question why you are not shaking your fist at cable and satellite but you are at bozos saying that internet connections should be wired? since no one in this thread is making up BS about how great cable and sat are there is no reason to point out that it is BS.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It would certainly bother me if there was a movie or TV show I loved and I wasn't able to watch it anymore.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it I just don't buy or rent anything that can be taken away.

You don't rent things that can be taken away?

How does that work, exactly?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was listening to a show about podcasts and the creators were mentioning how some broadcasters are deliberately slowing down their dialogue and being as clear as possible for folk who were listening at faster speeds. It got me thinking if speed watching does become the most popular way of watching, (90% or higher) that’s the way they would go with video as well. So, in effect the normal speed wouldn’t be available and they would just make everything more audible.

after all, podcasts are mostly listened to at higher speeds, that market recognises that. In the not too distant future, the industry might be accommodating faster speeds and normal speed is a artefact that no one bothers with.

Also, machine learning could speed up and slow down where appropriate. For example, slow down action scenes and speed up all dialogue scenes on the fly with pitch adjustment.

Amazed people aren’t mite concerned about this. I mean, in the space of a decade podcasts have gone from a relatively new thing to a sensation and creatives are thinking about how to better serve folk who can listen at 1.5-2.0 speeds. In this case, slowing down their dialogue during the broadcast. Don’t you guys see the parallel here?

[cheez avenger]

Disney Plus UK release date set for March 31

A Disney Plus UK release date has finally been announced. Those across the pond were previously left in limbo in regards to when they could use the streaming service ahead of the US November 12 launch. It does come, however, with an ominous warning: “titles may vary by territory.”

So, the basics: the Disney Plus UK release date is March 31. That’s over four months until you can watch the likes of The Mandalorian as well as the hundreds-strong set of movies and TV shows available on Disney Plus. It also launches for the majority of mainland Europe on the same day, including Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, with the promise of more being announced soon. The Netherlands, meanwhile, can get their hands on Disney Plus on November 12, next week. Go figure.

Just don’t expect the list of TV shows and movies on Disney Plus to mirror the US library. “Titles may vary by territory” means exactly that. While we don’t have any idea (yet) on what will be missing out – or included exclusively – the UK rights for many popular shows, such as The Simpsons, are divided up between different broadcasters. Wrestling back those streaming rights may be beyond even the House of Mouse.

Unlike the US, there is also currently no price announcement, nor is there a way to pre-order and pay ahead of time. The Disney Plus sign-up offer is only available in the States, which includes a vanilla option for $6.99/month, a $70 annual subscription, and a bumper bundle for $12.99/month, which includes Disney Plus, Hulu, and ESPN.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...103525318.html