Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[L.P. Hovercraft]

Originally Posted by ThorsScrewdriver

Yeah I never understand the UOT crowd. George Lucas was limited by technology when making the movies. If he wants to go back and make changes, he has every right to. Even Tolkien had to go back and change small sections of The Hobbit after The Lord of the Rings was finished. I don't see people clamoring for the original Hobbit versions.

The difference is unlike the theatrical versions of the original SW trilogy, facsimiles of the original first edition version of The Hobbit are available to purchase for those that are clamoring for them:
https://www.amazon.com/Hobbit-Facsim...7038760&sr=8-1

[nick4Knight]

I'm buying. I could pretend to draw battle lines. I could pretend I've got some moralist code that forbids me to "part with my hard earned $$$" lest they delivier the theatricals, or bare scans of the special editions as-is. I could pretend its version X, Y, Z (or hell A through W); or bust. I could do alot of pretending.

Lost story short. I'm buying. Just to get that sweet HDR in the hopes it's a more robust, more unleashed grade of the Disney+ ecosystem.

In even shorter? I'm buying...

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by L.P. Hovercraft

The difference is unlike the original theatrical versions of the SW trilogy, facsimiles of the original first edition version of The Hobbit are available to purchase for those that are clamoring for them:
https://www.amazon.com/Hobbit-Facsim...7038760&sr=8-1

I had that book pre-ordered for over 5 years but was so happy when it was finally released.

[kchrules]

Originally Posted by ThorsScrewdriver

Yeah I never understand the UOT crowd. George Lucas was limited by technology when making the movies. If he wants to go back and make changes, he has every right to. Even Tolkien had to go back and change small sections of The Hobbit after The Lord of the Rings was finished. I don't see people clamoring for the original Hobbit versions.

The problem isn't so much the changes (some of them are actually good, like refilming the Emperor's dialogue with Ian Mcdirmid in ep 5) it's just that the original versions are barely even available outside of the internet, and the last official release of the unaltered movies was a potato quality LD transfer hidden in the special features of disc 2 on the DVD release from 2006.

For example, Blade Runner's "final cut" from 2007 is the preferred way to watch the movie for a lot of people even though Ridley Scott did many Lucas-esque changes with CGI and dialogue edits. But the theatrical version is still available if people want to watch it.

I feel if George wasn't so "you guys love an unfinished movie" about the theatrical versions then it wouldn't even be that big of a deal.

[Neon Rabbit]

I have never had a problem with George Lucas wanting to make changes to his films, though I may not necessarily agree with it. What I do take issue with is the continuing suppression of the original versions and the idea that they are not allowed to co-exist alongside George's preferred versions when pretty much any other film that has ever been given this sort of treatment has both versions available for whoever wants to watch them.

[Neon Rabbit]

Originally Posted by kchrules

The problem isn't so much the changes (some of them are actually good, like refilming the Emperor's dialogue with Ian Mcdirmid in ep 5) it's just that the original versions are barely even available outside of the internet, and the last official release of the unaltered movies was a potato quality LD transfer hidden in the special features of disc 2 on the DVD release from 2006.

For example, Blade Runner's "final cut" from 2007 is the preferred way to watch the movie for a lot of people even though Ridley Scott did many Lucas-esque changes with CGI and dialogue edits. But the theatrical version is still available if people want to watch it.

I feel if George wasn't so "you guys love an unfinished movie" about the theatrical versions then it wouldn't even be that big of a deal.

This exactly. I do tend to watch the Final Cut of Blade Runner as my go to, but I would be extremely disappointed if the theatrical cut wasn't also available to watch on a reasonably high quality format. It is a part of film history, and sometimes when I watch a film I want to put myself into the mindset of what audiences saw when it was originally released.

[Scottishguy]

The question is did Disney even try and play hard ball with Lucas? As it also seems they can't even do diffrent masters of his 6 Star Wars film's.

Was it Kathleen Kennedy that lead the negotiations herself?

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The question is did Disney even try and play hard ball with Lucas? As it also seems they can't even do diffrent masters of his 6 Star Wars film's.

Was it Kathleen Kennedy that lead the negotiations herself?

Kennedy wasn’t president of Lucasfilm until it sold to Disney, IIRC the deal was made with Lucas and Iger.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Kennedy wasn’t president of Lucasfilm until it sold to Disney, IIRC the deal was made with Lucas and Iger.

And Iger then put Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm?

[philthehip]

I think Kennedy gets a lot of unfair grief from fans who frankly have no idea what her role entails. It is easy to sit on the outside and judge her but she has so much to do that I am amazed she ever sleeps. President, brand manager for SW, producer, and no doubt an endless list of other roles and tasks.

As I have enjoyed the 5 movies so far that she has overseen, enjoy the canon books and comics and am loving the Mandalorian series, enjoyed Rebels and think Resistance is great for the kids I will stand up for her.

I think she is doing a great job in an impossible position.

[kchrules]

Originally Posted by philthehip

I think Kennedy gets a lot of unfair grief from fans who frankly have no idea what her role entails. It is easy to sit on the outside and judge her but she has so much to do that I am amazed she ever sleeps. President, brand manager for SW, producer, and no doubt an endless list of other roles and tasks.

As I have enjoyed the 5 movies so far that she has overseen, enjoy the canon books and comics and am loving the Mandalorian series, enjoyed Rebels and think Resistance is great for the kids I will stand up for her.

I think she is doing a great job in an impossible position.

Seriously! She produced the Back to The Future movies, they hate those movies too I guess.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by philthehip

I think Kennedy gets a lot of unfair grief from fans who frankly have no idea what her role entails. It is easy to sit on the outside and judge her but she has so much to do that I am amazed she ever sleeps. President, brand manager for SW, producer, and no doubt an endless list of other roles and tasks.

As I have enjoyed the 5 movies so far that she has overseen, enjoy the canon books and comics and am loving the Mandalorian series, enjoyed Rebels and think Resistance is great for the kids I will stand up for her.

I think she is doing a great job in an impossible position.

You could say the same thing about the British Petroleum CEO during the oil spills, the Sears/Toys R Us/Payless Shoes CEOs during all of these store closings, or the Wells Fargo CEO while many of the employees were behaving unethically and opening false savings accounts. It doesn't matter. Someone has to shoulder the responsibility.

And before anyone says it, of course the movies did well at the box office. It's asdf'ing Star Wars.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by kchrules

Seriously! She produced the Back to The Future movies, they hate those movies too I guess.

Who said she's a bad producer? Only because she did bad job with Sequel Trilogy doesn't mean she sucks overall. What a childish suggestion.

Also, she was an executive producer on Back to the Future Trilogy, not a producer. Use google if you don't know the difference.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by philthehip

I think Kennedy gets a lot of unfair grief from fans who frankly have no idea what her role entails. It is easy to sit on the outside and judge her but she has so much to do that I am amazed she ever sleeps. President, brand manager for SW, producer, and no doubt an endless list of other roles and tasks.

As I have enjoyed the 5 movies so far that she has overseen, enjoy the canon books and comics and am loving the Mandalorian series, enjoyed Rebels and think Resistance is great for the kids I will stand up for her.

I think she is doing a great job in an impossible position.

How diffcult is it just to hire one director and stick to their vision? Well, I guess very diffcult when your core fanbase shows how one dimensional they are with all the hate Last Jedi received.

Though I think Johnson should have been there from the start. And this whole trilogy might have not turned into a hot mess.

Personally I'd have ditched Daisy, thinned out the side characters, and went with John Boyega as the main protagonist.

I won't hide the fact I think Daisy Ridley is just a bland middle class actor with minimal talent.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

Someone has to shoulder the responsibility.

I agree, she should shoulder the responsibility and as I have enjoyed what she has overseen she gets my vote.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by philthehip

I agree, she should shoulder the responsibility and as I have enjoyed what she has overseen she gets my vote.

That's fine. Others see things differently.

You said that she gets an unfair amount of grief.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

How diffcult is it just to hire one director and stick to their vision? Well, I guess very diffcult when your core fanbase shows how one dimensional they are with all the hate Last Jedi received.

Though I think Johnson should have been there from the start. And this whole trilogy might have not turned into a hot mess.

Personally I'd have ditched Daisy, thinned out the side characters, and went with John Boyega as the main protagonist.

I won't hide the fact I think Daisy Ridley is just a bland middle class actor with minimal talent.

This is one thing I agree on and I hope it is a lesson learned for the future. There needs to be a little more time given to pre-pre-pre-production and setting out a single director/writer vision.

I enjoyed Daisy regardless of being a "bland middle class actor with minimal talent". It has not done Harrison Ford any damage after all.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by philthehip

This is one thing I agree on and I hope it is a lesson learned for the future. There needs to be a little more time given to pre-pre-pre-production and setting out a single director/writer vision.

I enjoyed Daisy regardless of being a "bland middle class actor with minimal talent". It has not done Harrison Ford any damage after all.

Harrison Ford is a good actor. He's just very selective when he gives a shi*

[erikottowegner]

For anyone who is wondering why The Rise of Skywalker or the new trilogy wasn't as good as it could have been. Lucas makes the prequels, people say he ruined the films, he sells to Disney, they make the new trilogy. And for TROS. They make The Last Jedi, people say it ruined Star Wars, they make TROS. The biggest mistakes were listening to complaints.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by erikottowegner

For anyone who is wondering why The Rise of Skywalker or the new trilogy wasn't as good as it could have been. Lucas makes the prequels, people say he ruined the films, he sells to Disney, they make the new trilogy. And for TROS. They make The Last Jedi, people say it ruined Star Wars, they make TROS. The biggest mistakes were listening to complaints.

The criticisms about the prequels are valid. Unlike The Last Jedi.