Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Fox buys Tubi for $440 million as it attempts to join the streaming wars
With a focus on bringing sports and news to subscribers, not original content

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/2...luto-viacomcbs

Hopefully, they will not muck it up. My sister is especially fond of Tubi.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

but I predict that the movie The Greyhound with Tom Hanks will be the disc we are talking about from an audio standpoint whenever we get to eventually have it released.

Shelly Johnson was the DP on some movies that I have and really like so here is hopping he does a good job with Greyhound.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I'm planning to go all out ATMOS

Keep us posted on your research and what items you chose to purchase.

[Vilya]

I read last night that online video game giant Blizzard had major problems; all of their login servers crashed. People could not log into ANY of their games and this problems persisted for many hours.

While this is a trivial concern compared to the far more important matters confronting many people, it underscores why I will not allow myself to become dependent upon online content providers or internet service providers for my entertainment.

Anecdotally, my sister's internet service became so slow last night that all she could stream was a spinning circle from Netflix and others, but all she can get in her area is ADSL and it apparently is pretty easy to overwhelm when demand is even slightly higher than normal. She decided to watch a good 'ol reliable disc instead.

[sapiendut]

watch out, somebody will show up and tell you that he doesn't have that problem because he's using fibre connection and hardwired

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

watch out, somebody will show up and tell you that he doesn't have that problem because he's using fibre connection and hardwired

He can be as high fiber, hard wired, and as hard headed as he wants to be and it won't do a thing to overcome a provider's crashed servers.

[sapiendut]

exactly, but he won't admit that. Just like he refuses to admit that it doesn't matter he has 1.5 gbps fiber, if the data stream is 20 mbps, then that's all he needs.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

exactly, but he won't admit that. Just like he refuses to admit that it doesn't matter he has 1.5 gbps fiber, if the data stream is 20 mbps, then that's all he needs.

I recall that he stated that he has 80 Mbps internet service, but its symmetrical and that makes all the difference because streaming really needs that upload speed to equal download speed.

[Vilya]

I have to give my internet service provider some credit for this: Through May 15th they are lifting all data caps to help people who are now working from home and who are taking classes from home, or who are otherwise using more data than normal.

"We are pausing our data allowances until May 15th so no customer will have to worry about overage charges related to unexpected increases in data usage."

So, pigs are now flying; I said something good about my ISP.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He can be as high fiber, hard wired, and as hard headed as he wants to be and it won't do a thing to overcome a provider's crashed servers.

Originally Posted by sapiendut

exactly, but he won't admit that. Just like he refuses to admit that it doesn't matter he has 1.5 gbps fiber, if the data stream is 20 mbps, then that's all he needs.

Originally Posted by Vilya

I recall that he stated that he has 80 Mbps internet service, but its asymmetrical and that makes all the difference because streaming really needs that upload speed to equal download speed.

You guys are fun and keep things amusing. Anything could crash, the power could go out, BD Player fails for any number of reasons. We just need reliable options, good ISP connected to the Fiber Back Bone, Solid Power, and Top of the Line Equipment.

It's 85Mbps Symmetrical, and I know that the Bitrate is lower than the Streaming Providers but all I need to average for Quality HD is 20Mbps. I do Streaming some material in 4K UHD, and it looks very good to me and I know the Providers are working to make it better.

As for that upload speed, it might not have to equal download but it won't hurt. Good news is that your Copper/Fiber Hybrid DOCSIS 3.1 wants to increase the upload speed. I know in the past when my upload speed has dropped, Providers like Amazon Prime would have some Streaming problems. Now that we are stress testing Streaming Providers, the weak areas should be exposed!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are fun and keep things amusing. Anything could crash, the power could go out, BD Player fails for any number of reasons. We just need reliable options, good ISP connected to the Fiber Back Bone, Solid Power, and Top of the Line Equipment.

It's 85Mbps Symmetrical, and I know that the Bitrate is lower than the Streaming Providers but all I need to average for Quality HD is 20Mbps. I do Streaming some material in 4K UHD, and it looks very good to me and I know the Providers are working to make it better.

As for that upload speed, it might not have to equal download but it won't hurt. Good news is that your Copper/Fiber Hybrid DOCSIS 3.1 wants to increase the upload speed. I know in the past when my upload speed has dropped, Providers like Amazon Prime would have some Streaming problems. Now that we are stress testing Streaming Providers, the weak areas should be exposed!

While I have had the power go out, that happens far less often than my ISP going down. I have NEVER had a disc player fail and I have more than one of them besides.

I corrected my typo before you replied; that damn "A" key is right next to the "S" key and I must've hit 'em both.

It doesn't hurt to do a voodoo dance while waving a dead chicken over your modem, either, but it won't make a damn bit of difference. Well, it doesn't do the chicken much good, I'll grant that much. The amount of data uploaded while streaming occurs primarily when you begin to stream and the amount of data involved in that upload is microscopic. Not a single streaming provider that I have researched even states a requirement for upload speed because it is that inconsequential.

Amazon routinely has streaming issues for many people as evidenced by the number of complaints made against them on these forums alone. Amazon has been better of late for me, but they remain the flakiest of all the streaming providers that I use.

Even if your ISP is perfect in every way, it doesn't matter much if the content provider's servers crash as they did with Blizzard last night.

[Steedeel]

Going to watch eight Friday The 13th movies over three nights next week. Try doing THAT with streaming at the moment. Wait until the kids break up from school on Friday (UK) the PSN, Netflix AND Disney+ will all be down.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not a single streaming provider that I have researched even states a requirement for upload speed because it is that inconsequential.

If you're only concerned about quality Vilya, then why do you have so many DVD's / Blu Ray's? Surely 4K UHD on streaming is superior to both? Wouldn't it make sense to sell some of those and buy more UHD discs? Watching a DVD on an 85 inch TV can't be a good experience.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Going to watch eight Friday The 13th movies over three nights next week. Try doing THAT with streaming at the moment. Wait until the kids break up from school on Friday (UK) the PSN, Netflix AND Disney+ will all be down.

Regardless of your questionable taste in films , I've never had a streaming service go down because the internet is too busy. Apps have frozen up for a different reason and my net has gone down occasionally (but not because too many people are using the service - Disney+ etc...)

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by SCLee

Regardless of your questionable taste in films , I've never had a streaming service go down because the internet is too busy. Apps have frozen up for a different reason and my net has gone down occasionally (but not because too many people are using the service - Disney+ etc...)

You are correct, the internet itself is not the cause for service crashes. It is the demand on the servers that provide the content. Vilya is correct as well, Blizzard went down the other day due to high demand. As more and more people self-quarantine, the demand on streaming services could very easily cause crashes and service interruptions. It happens all the time with new multi-player games. I would be shocked if there were zero service interruptions among the streaming providers considering the increased demand in at-home entertainment.

But if it happens I'll just load up one of my many discs and be good to go .

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by SCLee

If you're only concerned about quality Vilya, then why do you have so many DVD's / Blu Ray's? Surely 4K UHD on streaming is superior to both? Wouldn't it make sense to sell some of those and buy more UHD discs? Watching a DVD on an 85 inch TV can't be a good experience.

I still have several hundred DVDs which titles are still not available to be streamed and 4K streaming is only at the level of almost HD in terms of compression quality and the sound is still cringingly lossy.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I would be shocked if there were zero service interruptions among the streaming providers considering the increased demand in at-home entertainment.

But if it happens I'll just load up one of my many discs and be good to go .

It's never happened on a weekend. I know not everyone stays in on a weekend but many people do, especially on a Sunday. I too will load up a disc but it won't be necessary.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I still have several hundred DVDs which titles are still not available to be streamed and 4K streaming is only at the level of almost HD in terms of compression quality and the sound is still cringingly lossy.

It seems odd to have 173 4K titles, and 4,000 DVD's, when there must be 800 - 1000 4K titles (if not more) available to buy. Not for a 'normie' but for someone who is a home theater enthusiast, like Vilya claims to be.

As for the second point, I disagree and that's fine, it's just my opinion. To me, 4K Streaming is better than Blu ray quality and getting better all the time. Most people can't tell the difference between 4K Blu Ray and UHD streaming, and while I can, the difference isn't all that great. I have a crystal clear picture when I stream anything, super sharp with great colours and detail, no banding, picture never breaks up, never buffers, no issues. Not all 4K transfers are made equally, some transfers are better than others whether on disc or streaming.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by quirkmanly

Folks - going forward, personal attacks will be met with zero tolerance in this thread, just as they are when reported anywhere else on this site. As has been stated before, differing opinions are to be expected, but when users become the topic of conversation (or the target of insults), no good will come of it.

I think we should all remember this. Far too often on this forum, people are putting down others and calling them names, either because of a different opinion (streaming is as good, disc is better, atmos is better) or because they think their equipment is better than others. Some people prefer discs, some prefer streaming, some like both but do we have to gang up on them with a bullying mentality? No.

I was asking Vilya a question above (in jest) because previously he was having a go at me, for owning a soundbar instead of a surround sound system. I lost my temper with him in another thread and I regret that. I apologise. I did so in response to some unkind words on his part but nevertheless I was still wrong to write what I wrote.

It's worth remembering this from Lee A Stewart on page 1048.

Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong."

No one is wrong here, they're always right, that's the problem.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by SCLee

If you're only concerned about quality Vilya, then why do you have so many DVD's / Blu Ray's? Surely 4K UHD on streaming is superior to both? Wouldn't it make sense to sell some of those and buy more UHD discs? Watching a DVD on an 85 inch TV can't be a good experience.

Welcome back SCLee!

I am not only concerned about video quality, but just as much about actually owning my content and having it in my possession. Many of the titles that I have on DVD are not available on subscription streaming and I do not purchases digital copies because I do not really own such purchases. I have no control over what happens to things that are stored upon someone else's server. I also dislike being dependent upon the internet to access my entertainment.

I do not buy very many DVDs now; my DVD collection is mostly the result of my collecting prior to blu-ray. I choose the best physical format that is available and if DVD is all that is available, I will still buy it.

I upgrade my DVDs to blu-ray, or better, as I go along, but sometimes buying a movie that I do not own at all takes priority over upgrading one that I already own. Some of my DVDs are now duplicates as several have been upgraded, but I retain them because they often have different extra features or even contain a different cut of the movie.

I am even slower with upgrading my blus to 4K discs as buying a title that I do not own often takes precedence over upgrading what is already a very good looking blu-ray. I am still doing the upgrades, but I am taking my time in doing it.

Surprisingly, my 4K disc player and my 85" 4K TV do a pretty good job with most of my DVDs; they are very watchable. Some of the oldest DVDs in my collection can look a little rough, but I also have a 60" TV to view them on.