Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[MifuneFan]

Man, New Jersey's numbers are exploding. They might be increasing at a faster rate than NYC, with roughly the same population, and nowhere near the density of us.

[sfmarine]

SiriusXM is offering free access to all through 5/15 by using their app. Howard is included as well.

[mckee74]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

check this video out... 45 minutes and part two is on the website.

conspiracy theorist says all of these things would happen and was by design over years and years. using a global pandemic as an excuse to implement tracking on people, empowering big businesses (amazon, walmart etc.) and using the shutdown as a means to change the entire global economic structure to benefit the 1% nation. some stuff in there is a little wacky but is on point with a lot of stuff, kind of scary seeing it actually play out.

The man who thinks the Queen of England is a lizard sure has moved on...

Nutjob.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Guess these must be the same geniuses who "planned" the Spanish flu and the Bubonic Plague.....

Sounds like a bad case of butthurt

try watching the video before making snarky comments. he doesnt say it was manmade... just that a pendemic will be used as an excuse to push their agenda...basically creating fear out of the situation which are out of perspective to the pandemic itself

to put it in perspective, the 2009 h1n1 pandemic killed 151,700 - 575,400 people globally. why there isnt a concrete number, i dont know.

corona to date has killed 44,264 globally.

im not downplaying corona compared to h1n1, we've gone over that in this thread already. the point is that the amount of fear and panic being spread by news outlets is NOWHERE near what we saw in 2009. 61 MILLION people were infected in the USA alone over the course of a year. amount that to social media, sure, but its still WAY out of proportion. so i personally ask, why? are there ulterior motives at hand? would it be that far fetched to believe so? if your putting your trust in WHO, then id say to research the organization and come to your own conclusions.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mckee74

The man who thinks the Queen of England is a lizard sure has moved on...

Nutjob.

haha, i havent seen anything from him other than this interview, so i cant speak to his past claims and im sure there are some whacky ones like all conspiracy theorists....but this one really makes ya think as its not all that outlandish

[bruceames]

What's really alarming is the rising death rate. Now at 2.2% in the U.S. and rising (it had dropped to as low as 1.2%). I hope it doesn't rise into the upper single digits like many of the EU countries.

[MrHT]

Congratulations NY!! We finally surpassed China's number of confirmed cases.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by bruceames

What's really alarming is the rising death rate. Now at 2.2% in the U.S. and rising (it had dropped to as low as 1.2%). I hope it doesn't rise into the upper single digits like many of the EU countries.

its so skewed though since most places arent even testing you unless you need hospitalization. so the number will look glaringly high in proportion

[jordanstine]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

All of the Asian countries that have embraced masks for everyone seem to have done better during this pandemic than the rest. Just sayin'

Yup, and data shows that these Asian countries with masks have a much lower infection rate.

http://maskssaveslives.org/masks.html

Also, now the US might consider it's stance... of course, we're late again.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/...hnk/index.html

Can't believe we have a lot of dumb people in our country's leadership who can't even use common sense from our President to the Surgeon General, running our country to the ground.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bruceames

They're not shutting down the Walmarts and Costcos, only stopping the "in-store" sales of non-essential items. You can still buy non-essentials online or curbside pickup for stores that offer it. Why wouldn't that work elsewhere?

Because . . . then ALL non-essential stores would be closed to in-store purchases. Despite what many think a lot of people do not shop online because they don't want to. Nor do they want a stranger handling their merchandise as would happen on a curbside P/U. How are you going to handle clothing which many people try on in the store to make sure what they are buying fits?

If they didn't want big box stores in their communities, they should have prevented them from coming in. Happens all the time all over the US.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

its so skewed though since most places arent even testing you unless you need hospitalization. so the number will look glaringly high in proportion

So they were testing more a few weeks ago? I was referring to it in relative terms, not absolute.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Because . . . then ALL non-essential stores would be closed to in-store purchases. Despite what many think a lot of people do not shop online because they don't want to. Nor do they want a stranger handling their merchandise as would happen on a curbside P/U. How are you going to handle clothing which many people try on in the store to make sure what they are buying fits?

If they didn't want big box stores in their communities, they should have prevented them from coming in. Happens all the time all over the US.

That's the case now in California. We have a statewide shelter-in-place. All non-essential business defined in the order are closed. I wasn't referring to places where non-essential businesses can remain open.

[Lee A Stewart]

Hobby Lobby defies shutdown orders, reopens some stores

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartandhp

[Pondosinatra]

What in the holy F???

Canada within hours will have more cases than South Korea...in just 3 weeks.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

to put it in perspective, the 2009 h1n1 pandemic killed 151,700 - 575,400 people globally. why there isnt a concrete number, i dont know.

corona to date has killed 44,264 globally.

im not downplaying corona compared to h1n1, we've gone over that in this thread already. the point is that the amount of fear and panic being spread by news outlets is NOWHERE near what we saw in 2009. 61 MILLION people were infected in the USA alone over the course of a year. amount that to social media, sure, but its still WAY out of proportion. so i personally ask, why? are there ulterior motives at hand? would it be that far fetched to believe so? if your putting your trust in WHO, then id say to research the organization and come to your own conclusions.

1. Absolutely no one that I know believes the WHO is believable in the slightest.
2. A follow-up study done in September 2010 showed that the risk of serious illness resulting from the 2009 H1N1 flu was no higher than that of the yearly seasonal flu.
3. How are news outlets spreading "fear and panic"? If anything, they have underplayed the danger for the most part. The most alarming things they have had to say are merely relaying the projections made by the world's foremost expects; also, they have reported accurately on what is going on in places like Italy and Spain, and most recently, NYC.

This pandemic is completely unlike anything we've seen in almost 100 years because there simply hasn't been anything this deadly in our lifetimes that hit us by surprise and that we didn't have vaccines for. It spreads like wildfire, and while one could cold-heartedly argue that the mortality rate for those infected is somewhat "low", it is nonetheless enough to completely overwhelm the capacity of the healthcare systems in most of the developed world. Needless to say, developing countries are going to be in far worse shape.

Once healthcare systems are overwhelmed, you can't get treated for any other non-Covid medical emergency that might be life-threatening.

And we still haven't even gotten through the worst of it yet.

On top of it all, the measures that are absolutely necessary to slow the spread of the contagion are going to leave millions unemployed, and possibly lead to thousands of bankruptcies for any businesses that don't get bailed out.

When all is said and done, the pandemic will have cost probably millions of lives and trillions and trillions in damages, and you think the media has overplayed the situation?

[MifuneFan]

I found out how to look up cases in NYC by zip code. What's crazy is the highest number of cases is in..Corona, Queens (11368). What are the odds of that?!

https://github.com/nychealth/coronav...ts-by-zcta.csv

[BluBonnet]

If someone has written that in a disaster movie, we'd immediately say it's completely far-fetched.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by bruceames

And right on cue...

https://abc6onyourside.com/error

How can they stop Items from being sold if the store is open?
That makes no sense.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

try watching the video before making snarky comments. he doesnt say it was manmade... just that a pendemic will be used as an excuse to push their agenda...basically creating fear out of the situation which are out of perspective to the pandemic itself

to put it in perspective, the 2009 h1n1 pandemic killed 151,700 - 575,400 people globally. why there isnt a concrete number, i dont know.

corona to date has killed 44,264 globally.

im not downplaying corona compared to h1n1, we've gone over that in this thread already. the point is that the amount of fear and panic being spread by news outlets is NOWHERE near what we saw in 2009. 61 MILLION people were infected in the USA alone over the course of a year. amount that to social media, sure, but its still WAY out of proportion. so i personally ask, why? are there ulterior motives at hand? would it be that far fetched to believe so? if your putting your trust in WHO, then id say to research the organization and come to your own conclusions.

As they say . . . timing is everything. The reason why the H1N1 pandemic did not get the media's attention here at least in the US was two fold; first it only killed 12,469 people. Second and most important, the media was consumed with The Great Recession which was in full swing at the same time the H1N1 pandemic hit.

Keep in mind that the numbers for H1N1 were tallied over a 12 month period. We are only into 2 months for COVID-19

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

How can they stop Items from being sold if the store is open?
That makes no sense.

Um, how about putting yellow tape blocking aisles or other barriers? It's not hard. Even removing non-essential items to temporary warehouse storage, to make room for more essential items, so that more people shopping for essentials can be allowed in the store as the stuff is spread out more, would be a good idea. Especially if this plays out for another two months or more.