Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Nor should you...

April fool’s was canceled

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I forgot, but what size screen do you use? 3D on a whopping big screen will be groovy gravy .

It is a 2.35 scope screen, 52" H x 122.2" W or 132.8" Dia. Have a motorized mask that will mask the screen to 52" H x 92.56" W or 106.2" Dia. for 1.78 or 1.85 viewing.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

April fool’s was canceled

The memo apparently didn't reach everyone.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It is a 2.35 scope screen, 52" H x 122.2" W or 132.8" Dia. Have a motorized mask that will mask the screen to 52" H x 92.56" W or 106.2" Dia. for 1.78 or 1.85 viewing.

If not for social distancing requirements, I'd be trying to crash your party again.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

April fool’s was canceled

Not on my shift.

[Steedeel]

My city and life long football club is on Netflix right now. A global audience watching Sunderland. Going to be interesting!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My city and life long football club is on Netflix right now. A global audience watching Sunderland. Going to be interesting!

Not over here.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not over here.

You are not interested in the birthplace and home of one of the greatest forum members of all time?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are not interested in the birthplace and home of one of the greatest forum members of all time?

Well, that would be utterly fascinating if that was what the program was about.

So long as it has nothing to do with grown men frolicking in a field playing footsie with a ball until their kid's game climaxes with that most thrilling of outcomes: a tie game, then I would watch it with unbridled enthusiasm.

Is it offered in 4K?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, that would be utterly fascinating if that was what the program was about.

So long as it has nothing to do with grown men frolicking in a field playing footsie with a ball until their kid's game climaxes with that most thrilling of outcomes: a tie game, then I would watch it with unbridled enthusiasm.

Is it offered in 4K?

That is the most American description of our beautiful game I have ever read!

It’s more about the fans and the incredible passion. I’m in it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That is the most American description of our beautiful game I have ever read!

It’s more about the fans and the incredible passion. I’m in it.

Is this program titled Sunderland 'Till I Die? It has two seasons.

Elaborate on your part in this by all means. Which episode(s) are you in and in what capacity? Are you just a face in the crowd; do you have any lines; do you have a recurring part? I'm guessing that you're one of those rampaging soccer hooligans.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Is this program titled Sunderland 'Till I Die? It has two seasons.

Elaborate on your part in this by all means. Which episode(s) are you in and in what capacity? Are you just a face in the crowd; do you have any lines; do you have a recurring part? I'm guessing that you're one of those rampaging soccer hooligans.

You will have to watch it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You will have to watch it.

How can I become your fan, your groupie, and your own stalker if you don't give me any clues? International travel is very difficult right now and I'd give you a fair headstart, too.

[stonesfan129]

Just got done watching Donnie Brasco on one of my YouTube TV channels. I can't tell sitting 10 feet away from my TV (42" Panasonic 1080p plasma), but when I get close to the TV, I couldn't believe how full of pixelation and banding it was. Got out my Blu-ray and there was no comparison. I've even seen compressed Blu-ray rips that looks better than streaming. I'm on a 200 Down/10 Up high-speed cable internet connection here too so my bandwidth isn't limiting it.

I remember reading some comparisons of iTunes 1080p/iTunes 720p/VUDU HDX/Amazon streams compared to Blu-ray a few years back too. I don't know if they have gotten better, but I remember there being no comparison to what Blu-ray disc could offer. Again, sitting several feet from your TV it probably isn't noticeable. But if you know what to look for it's night and day difference.

Audio though has me pretty well fooled. But I'm one of those who cannot tell the difference between lossy AC3/DTS and lossless even on a decent surround sound setup.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Just got done watching Donnie Brasco on one of my YouTube TV channels. I can't tell sitting 10 feet away from my TV (42" Panasonic 1080p plasma), but when I get close to the TV, I couldn't believe how full of pixelation and banding it was. Got out my Blu-ray and there was no comparison. I've even seen compressed Blu-ray rips that looks better than streaming. I'm on a 200 Down/10 Up high-speed cable internet connection here too so my bandwidth isn't limiting it.

I remember reading some comparisons of iTunes 1080p/iTunes 720p/VUDU HDX/Amazon streams compared to Blu-ray a few years back too. I don't know if they have gotten better, but I remember there being no comparison to what Blu-ray disc could offer. Again, sitting several feet from your TV it probably isn't noticeable. But if you know what to look for it's night and day difference.

Audio though has me pretty well fooled. But I'm one of those who cannot tell the difference between lossy AC3/DTS and lossless even on a decent surround sound setup.

Your internet service isn't symmetrical, so that's a big No-No and if your TV's internet connection is wireless then that's a double whammy.

No doubt about it, streaming looks better the further away you are from the screen.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Your internet service isn't symmetrical, so that's a big No-No and if your TV's internet connection is wireless then that's a double whammy.

No doubt about it, streaming looks better the further away you are from the screen.

I'm using the YouTube TV app on my Roku Ultra over a wired Cat5e internet connection into my router. I'm not sure what you mean by internet service not being symmetrical. I've also seen similar artifacts when watching movies over my AppleTV app and VUDU app though it's not as bad as I experienced on the YouTube TV app. There's no comparison to Blu-ray, even compressed Blu-ray rips. Once I upgrade to a larger TV (I'm looking at a 65" 4K set), I would imagine those artifacts will become more noticeable.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I'm using the YouTube TV app on my Roku Ultra over a wired Cat5e internet connection into my router. I'm not sure what you mean by internet service not being symmetrical. I've also seen similar artifacts when watching movies over my AppleTV app and VUDU app though it's not as bad as I experienced on the YouTube TV app. There's no comparison to Blu-ray, even compressed Blu-ray rips. Once I upgrade to a larger TV (I'm looking at a 65" 4K set), I would imagine those artifacts will become more noticeable.

I was joking in my first paragraph and symmetrical internet is where your download and upload speeds are the same.

Yes, a bigger screen makes the good, the bad, and the ugly more noticeable.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I was joking in my first paragraph and symmetrical internet is where your download and upload speeds are the same.

Yes, a bigger screen makes the good, the bad, and the ugly more noticeable.

I guess streaming could be good enough on my laptop or phone. But on a TV I just don't think it compares where quality is concerned. It definitely wins out on convenience though.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I guess streaming could be good enough on my laptop or phone. But on a TV I just don't think it compares where quality is concerned. It definitely wins out on convenience though.

I watched Primal in UHD on Vudu with Nicolas Cage the other day, and it looked Fantastic. No pixelation or banding, the Picture Quality was Outstanding. I usually watch my Movies and TV Shows in HD 1080P, and the PQ is as good as BD in my opinion with my Streaming Providers. All they have to do is Average 20Mbps for BD Quality!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I watched Primal in UHD on Vudu with Nicolas Cage the other day, and it looked Fantastic. No pixelation or banding, the Picture Quality was Outstanding. I usually watch my Movies and TV Shows in HD 1080P, and the PQ is as good as BD in my opinion with my Streaming Providers. All they have to do is Average 20Mbps for BD Quality!

You really need to find a synonym for "Fantastic." You use it to death.

HD streams are typically in the 3.5-5 Mbps range; only 4K streams reach anywhere near to 20 Mbps. I have verified such anemic HD streaming bitrates several times with services like Netflix and Vudu both. Therefore, an HD stream has nowhere near the bitrate of a blu-ray disc and an HD stream definitely lacks the quality of a blu-ray disc. The maximum AV bitrate for a blu-ray disc is 48 Mbps.

Netflix states that a 5 Mbps internet connection is "recommended" for HD quality. Vudu "requires" an internet connection of 4.5 Mbps for their HDX quality. They can only state such low internet speeds for HD quality because their HD streams have correspondingly tiny bitrates.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306

https://www.vudu.com/content/faq.html

"BD Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bit rate of 40 Mbit/s."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Video