Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[KMFDMvsEnya]

The Lowry processing used on both transfers is a pick your poison sort of deal and highly dependent on a given shot. For every bit that looks good on one may look terrible with the other and vice-versa.

To a lesser extent one can make the same arguments in favor of either transfers respective color grading but the 2011 transfers have serious color/chroma errors that riddles the entire trilogy.

I am curious to when the DNR was applied, before or after the color grading.

There are shots where the 2011 transfers resolve detail better, in spite of the sharpening and temporal reconstruction. Sometimes things only look better due to the sharpening or how the grading causes things to stand out more.

With the "2019" transfers there are instances where it ultimately resolves more detail than the 2011 ones but there are numerous portions where there is actually less detail than perceived or actual detail.

Simply watch the whole Death Star Destruction chapter 47 of ROTJ on either transfer to see what I mean.

With the interior cockpit shots of Wedge and Luke the lighting strobes quite a bit and with the 2011 transfer the processing has a more consistent presence of detail whereas the 2019 their faces are blurry.

Later the conversation between Leia and Han things are mostly stable for finer detail between them but due to the grading the 2011 might pop more whereas the 2019 looks more film like but it does have a minor bit of loss in fine detail.

There are other times when the 2019 completely surpasses the 2011 transfer but then fails utterly in a fuzzy/blurry morass.

It is damn shame considering the preDNRed film grain probably is not all that bad.

Frankly they should be ashamed to have fraked this up and Lowry or whatever they are called now should apologize. Perhaps these were all intended for the 3D conversions but it should not have been the bases for the standard 2D transfer.

I am disappointed with the final results. For me I like the grading of the 2019 versions but the inconsistency of detail due to the DNR is a grievous fault. There are no excuses for these to not be the definitive versions of the tweaked SEs.

Pick your poison and enjoy, I suppose.

This gallery is of screen captures from the 2019 and 2011 blu-rays.
https://imgur.com/a/FgzmXDu

Death Star Hologram planning scene.

[Show spoiler]
Here is a shot where the 2019 is superior to the 2011. Better resolved detail and natural sharpness in the hologram.






Leia looks more natural in the 2019 shot.



R2-D2 looks rather neon in the blues and his eye. Little better highlight detail on his dome with the 2011 but the 2019 has a nice roll off.

Interior Death Star attacking the reactor.

[Show spoiler]






Notice on the reactor the loss of the fine lines in the 2019 blu-ray. WTF.
They were present in the prior frames. Guess the processing took a crap at this point with the explosion.



Look at all those breakup errors! Plus loss of fine lines in the reactor.
Yet the middle piping has better detail with the 2019 transfer.

So the reality is things vary, a lot.

[Nicolawicz]

Those Lowry idiots have ruined countless films. They've always been a bunch of digitally perverted imbeciles.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Welp...I did it.

I pulled the trigger, after saying for two weeks there was no chance I would.

What what?? Someone said they wouldn’t do something online and then they did??

[StarWarsIsAwesome123]

Watching Empire right now, damn. Iron Man 1 and 2 ish frozen grain up the wazoo. Kind of disappointed, this is a step down from the transfer for ANH.

[david_blu]

Originally Posted by kmkm

What are you using to profile your monitor/tv ?

nothing just my eyes, course if my colour profile is out of whack on my Sony KD49 XF9005 doubling as a monitor then i could be seeing weird stuff anyway.

[mikematt101]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

The Lowry processing used on both transfers is a pick your poison sort of deal and highly dependent on a given shot. For every bit that looks good on one may look terrible with the other and vice-versa.

To a lesser extent one can make the same arguments in favor of either transfers respective color grading but the 2011 transfers have serious color/chroma errors that riddles the entire trilogy.

I am curious to when the DNR was applied, before or after the color grading.

There are shots where the 2011 transfers resolve detail better, in spite of the sharpening and temporal reconstruction. Sometimes things only look better due to the sharpening or how the grading causes things to stand out more.

With the "2019" transfers there are instances where it ultimately resolves more detail than the 2011 ones but there are numerous portions where there is actually less detail than perceived or actual detail.

Simply watch the whole Death Star Destruction chapter 47 of ROTJ on either transfer to see what I mean.

With the interior cockpit shots of Wedge and Luke the lighting strobes quite a bit and with the 2011 transfer the processing has a more consistent presence of detail whereas the 2019 their faces are blurry.

Later the conversation between Leia and Han things are mostly stable for finer detail between them but due to the grading the 2011 might pop more whereas the 2019 looks more film like but it does have a minor bit of loss in fine detail.

There are other times when the 2019 completely surpasses the 2011 transfer but then fails utterly in a fuzzy/blurry morass.

It is damn shame considering the preDNRed film grain probably is not all that bad.

Frankly they should be ashamed to have fraked this up and Lowry or whatever they are called now should apologize. Perhaps these were all intended for the 3D conversions but it should not have been the bases for the standard 2D transfer.

I am disappointed with the final results. For me I like the grading of the 2019 versions but the inconsistency of detail due to the DNR is grievous fault. There are no excuses for these to not be the definitive versions of the tweaked SEs.

Pick your poison and enjoy, I suppose.

No question the colour grade is better on 2019 but I see issues too. Yes there is more detail in the hologram in the first shot, but the "glow" of the hologram is missing in 2019. In the second hologram shot, the lines at the back of the Death Star which are visible in 2011 are missing in 2019. On the other hand, what's with the glow on the front of the X-Wing's engine nacelles in 2011?

Apart from the better colours, there is nothing her which makes me think the 2019 version is better than 2011, though I appreciate what others have said about the danger of making judgements based on screenshots.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

The Lowry processing used on both transfers is a pick your poison sort of deal and highly dependent on a given shot. For every bit that looks good on one may look terrible with the other and vice-versa.

To a lesser extent one can make the same arguments in favor of either transfers respective color grading but the 2011 transfers have serious color/chroma errors that riddles the entire trilogy.

I am curious to when the DNR was applied, before or after the color grading.

There are shots where the 2011 transfers resolve detail better, in spite of the sharpening and temporal reconstruction. Sometimes things only look better due to the sharpening or how the grading causes things to stand out more.

With the "2019" transfers there are instances where it ultimately resolves more detail than the 2011 ones but there are numerous portions where there is actually less detail than perceived or actual detail.

Simply watch the whole Death Star Destruction chapter 47 of ROTJ on either transfer to see what I mean.

With the interior cockpit shots of Wedge and Luke the lighting strobes quite a bit and with the 2011 transfer the processing has a more consistent presence of detail whereas the 2019 their faces are blurry.

Later the conversation between Leia and Han things are mostly stable for finer detail between them but due to the grading the 2011 might pop more whereas the 2019 looks more film like but it does have a minor bit of loss in fine detail.

There are other times when the 2019 completely surpasses the 2011 transfer but then fails utterly in a fuzzy/blurry morass.

It is damn shame considering the preDNRed film grain probably is not all that bad.

Frankly they should be ashamed to have fraked this up and Lowry or whatever they are called now should apologize. Perhaps these were all intended for the 3D conversions but it should not have been the bases for the standard 2D transfer.

I am disappointed with the final results. For me I like the grading of the 2019 versions but the inconsistency of detail due to the DNR is grievous fault. There are no excuses for these to not be the definitive versions of the tweaked SEs.

Pick your poison and enjoy, I suppose.

This gallery is screen captures from the 2019 and 2011 blu-rays.
https://imgur.com/a/FgzmXDu

Death Star Hologram planning scene.

[Show spoiler]
Here is a shot where the 2019 is superior to the 2011. Better resolved detail and natural sharpness in the hologram.






Leia looks more natural in the 2019 shot.



R2-D2 looks rather neon in the blues and his eye. Little better highlight detail on his dome with the 2011 but the 2019 has a nice roll off.

Interior Death Star attacking the reactor.

[Show spoiler]






Notice on the reactor the loss of the fine lines in the 2019 blu-ray. WTF.
They were present in the prior frames. Guess the processing took a crap at this point with the explosion.



Look at all those breakup errors! Plus loss of fine lines in the reactor.
Yet the middle piping has better detail with the 2019 transfer.

So the reality is things vary, a lot.

I will say, based on the frame of R2 and Leia, the 2019 version looks more natural.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by mikematt101

No question the colour grade is better on 2019 but I see issues too. Yes there is more detail in the hologram in the first shot, but the "glow" of the hologram is missing in 2019. In the second hologram shot, the lines at the back of the Death Star which are visible in 2011 are missing in 2019. On the other hand, what's with the glow on the front of the X-Wing's engine nacelles in 2011?

Have to remember how a shot looks in context of the transfer and with preceding shots the 2011 wide shots appears nuked in respects to contrast, even within the transfer.

The holograms look better in the 2019 transfer when simply watching it. The colors are also far more consistent.
YMMV.

My biggest take away is that these releases would have been infinitely better if they had simply refrained from going full-bore DNR or just a judicial application.

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

I am curious to when the DNR was applied, before or after the color grading.

The films were scanned and "enhanced" by Lowry/Reliance, then given to Lucasfilm & ILM for color correction and visual effects work.

An employee for Lowry/Reliance posted some details about the process a few years ago over here:
https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.c...wars-4k.54414/

[Ray Jackson]

Is there any effective method for removing the J-card without leaving a mark?

That thing is glued on real tight.

...I’m scared to death to pull it off.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Is there any effective method for removing the J-card without leaving a mark?

That thing is glued on real tight.

...I’m scared to death to pull it off.

Use the force, Ray.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Use the force, Ray.

[Show spoiler]

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

[Show spoiler]

May the force be with you.

It wasn’t with me.

Twice.

[StarWarsIsAwesome123]

Watching Jedi now, DNR wise it appears to be worse than ANH but not as bad as ESB.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by StarWarsIsAwesome123

Watching Empire right now, damn. Iron Man 1 and 2 ish frozen grain up the wazoo. Kind of disappointed, this is a step down from the transfer for ANH.

A lot of scenes are terrific, but that’s my general observation as well.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

May the force be with you.

It wasn’t with me.

Twice.

I guess I’m stronger with the Force than I realized.

It basically fell off on its own...not a mark on the box at all...flawless condition.

Oddly enough, while the Game of Thrones Complete Series CE was bigger than I anticipated, this set is smaller. I was expecting Dirk Diggler and I got Ray Jackson instead.

It’s a nice-looking box, but doesn’t jump out at me like I was hoping. The colors of the Death Star don’t really pop the way I thought they would.

Now I have to do a full disc inspection.

...status report in 20 minutes.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

No, especially for HDR which we can't see from screenshots.

But given the high RRP, double dipping on existing 4K discs and knowledge they're the same masters as the BDs with a basic new HDR pass, what little we can tell from screencaps is more than enough for me in this case.

Maybe if it gets discounted, or repackaged in another way, I'll change my mind and want it.

Why do you keep saying they're the same masters as the BDs? For the prequels that may well be the case but the originals are using old new 4K remasters, they're not the same masters as the 2011 BDs but something else entirely.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

I guess I’m stronger with the Force than I realized.

It basically fell off on its own...not a mark on the box at all...flawless condition

Congrats - you’re lucky! Mine have been sealed on there with super glue jelly.

[StarWarsIsAwesome123]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

A lot of scenes are terrific, but that’s my general observation as well.

Yeah some scenes do look pretty good. It's mainly most of the Hoth section that's affected.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by StarWarsIsAwesome123

Yeah some scenes do look pretty good. It's mainly most of the Hoth section that's affected.

Agreed!