Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

And May is an eternity yet to come ...

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Nearly 90% of People Hospitalized for COVID-19 Have Underlying Conditions, Says CDC



https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...cid=spartandhp

Of course most of us have underlying conditions. I take a statin for cholesterol and I also have a prescription for GERD/reflux. My girlfriend has a chronic condition that she's taking multiple prescriptions for. Her dad is also on statins, and her mom has conditions that require treatment. Humans are flawed.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Of course most of us have underlying conditions. I take a statin for cholesterol and I also have a prescription for GERD/reflux. My girlfriend has a chronic condition that she's taking multiple prescriptions for. Her dad is also on statins, and her mom has conditions that require treatment. Humans are flawed.

I take Losartan for high blood pressure, and Vitamin D because apparently my body doesn’t produce enough of it according to my doctor.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Keep telling yourself that...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...herts-52041709

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...th-that-wasnt/

But the Guardian reports this afternoon that her death has not actually been recorded as a Covid-19 death:

‘Middleton was taken to Wexham Park hospital in Slough last weekend after she had a heart attack. Attempts to resuscitate her failed and she was pronounced dead soon after arriving… A Berkshire coroner said the death was related to Covid-19 after being told Middleton had a cough, the source said. But this surprised medics at the hospital, who have not recorded it as a coronavirus incident.’

An NHS source tells the Guardian that ‘the coroner’s move “raised eyebrows” at the hospital because [Middleton] had not tested positive for the disease’.

This shows us the dangers of allowing political imperatives – ie, the need for young people to take this crisis seriously – to get ahead of the facts. Amid this outbreak we need clear-eyed discussion of what’s really going on.

[mar3o]

Very interesting new article, worth reading in full (originally from New York Times):

Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show

https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-york...120729916.html

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by freakyguy666__

New Cases PEAKED precisely as I predicted....

Next step is peaking hospitalizations (which may already be on the verge of occurring this week) and then deaths will peak shortly thereafter.

We’re slowly but surely crossing to the other side of the peak but most will not realize it until weeks after.

You heard it here, first!

You're banned anyway, but n case you're reading this. You weren't right. We have over 10,000 cases today in NY.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

...but we are not living normal times with this pandemic ...

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Laugh all you want, but I have encountered both. The truth is out there for those who search.

[Lee A Stewart]

From age 0 to age 62 I was in a hospital once . . . the day I was born. In that time period I survived 4 auto accidents, one a head on and walked away from all 4. I survived 3 scuba diving accidents, the worst left me with a 50% loss of hearing in my right ear. The only allergy I had was for growing grass in the month of May (age 14 to 22). Over the counter antihestime took care of it. The only doctor I saw wasn't a real doctor. He was a chiropractor - to fix some back damage I had from one of the diving accidents.

From age 63 to present (68) I have been to the hospital a total of 10 times for a total of 42 days. I have had AT LEAST 150 doctor visits in the last 5 years. Maybe more. I've had 2 major surgeries. The number of prescriptions I have taken covers 3 pages. I am a one pack a day smoker and every time I get a chest x-ray, the doctor(s) say I'm fine, no issues. I smoked until I was 30, took up scuba diving so I quit then stopped scuba diving at 50 and took up smoking again.

I don't see myself as flawed. I just see myself as getting old and not gracefully. All the bad stuff above has happened to me since we have been living in NM which has been for the last 10+ years. Prior to that we lived in Ft. Lauderdale, FL for 10 years and prior to that all over NY state with most on Long Island (Nassau County).

[dobyblue]

MONTEREY, Calif. — Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.

The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.

Limited testing has resulted in an artificially high death rate.

https://www.ksbw.com/article/salinas...-site/32101110

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Let's even assume the 0.66% is accurate. You claim this is "very similar to seasonal flu", but it's actually not. The yearly fatality rate of the flu is around 0.1%. Meaning you pretty much showed with the data in your own post that COVD-19 potentially has a fatality rate that is 6.6 times deadlier than the flu.

For epidemiologists it will be very similar unlike Ebola for example which is an order of magnitudes higher.

Kudos for not replying using any number of fallacious arguments, so many dullards out there (ie Facebook) that lack the capacity for critical though and can’t respond in any other fashion.

The point is, the numbers are absurdly varied from place to place due to no consistent methods of testing and determining cause of death, so the vast majority of “information” is guesswork. Take a look at how few headlines match what is said in the article: “study says months of distancing required” then in the article you’ll find a facsimile of “we don’t know what we’re doing” from the lead author.

Four years post-H1N1ep09 and look at the issues they have determining anything with certainty - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...__ffn_sectitle

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

From age 0 to age 62 I was in a hospital once . . . the day I was born. In that time period I survived 4 auto accidents, one a head on and walked away from all 4. I survived 3 scuba diving accidents, the worst left me with a 50% loss of hearing in my right ear. The only allergy I had was for growing grass in the month of May (age 14 to 22). Over the counter antihestime took care of it. The only doctor I saw wasn't a real doctor. He was a chiropractor - to fix some back damage I had from one of the diving accidents.

From age 63 to present (68) I have been to the hospital a total of 10 times for a total of 42 days. I have had AT LEAST 150 doctor visits in the last 5 years. Maybe more. I've had 2 major surgeries. The number of prescriptions I have taken covers 3 pages. I am a one pack a day smoker and every time I get a chest x-ray, the doctor(s) say I'm fine, no issues. I smoked until I was 30, took up scuba diving so I quit then stopped scuba diving at 50 and took up smoking again.

I don't see myself as flawed. I just see myself as getting old and not gracefully. All the bad stuff above has happened to me since we have been living in NM which has been for the last 10+ years. Prior to that we lived in Ft. Lauderdale, FL for 10 years and prior to that all over NY state with most on Long Island (Nassau County).

Stay safe old man, you’re a good egg.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

MONTEREY, Calif. — Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.

The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.

Limited testing has resulted in an artificially high death rate.

https://www.ksbw.com/article/salinas...-site/32101110

That seems to go against what's in this article that was just posted today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-york...120729916.html

“I’m quite confident that it was not spreading in December in the United States,” Bedford said. “There may have been a couple other introductions in January that didn’t take off in the same way.”

[ctujackbauer]

I don't work with or use Instacart, but this enraged me for some reason:

CNN - People are luring Instacart shoppers with big tips -- and then changing them to zero

Apparently a customer can lure an Instacart shopper, who is risking their safety, with a big tip to get your order fulfilled (high demand these days), but then afterwards the customer can adjust the tip down to zero.

Instacart still allows this and trotted out their spokesperson saying most people don't do this and that the company discourages it.

[mar3o]

More quality individuals:

'Despicable' shoppers caught on camera licking their hands and wiping them on food and fridge doors

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shoppers-...084333789.html

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I don't work with or use Instacart, but this enraged me for some reason:

CNN - People are luring Instacart shoppers with big tips -- and then changing them to zero

Apparently a customer can lure an Instacart shopper, who is risking their safety, with a big tip to get your order fulfilled (high demand these days), but then afterwards the customer can adjust the tip down to zero.

Instacart still allows this and trotted out their spokesperson saying most people don't do this and that the company discourages it.

What a lousy thing to do anytime, but especially when they're out there risking their health. They deserve a bigger tip now than usual. What's wrong with some people?

[Tony208]

People are having high speed joyrides on the streets here cause there's no traffic. Somehow they still crash.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tony208

People are having high speed joyrides on the streets here cause there's no traffic. Somehow they still crash.

Same here, there are idiots world wide.

[vbdfhgf]

Originally Posted by Gbpxl

over 300 now dead as of this typing. over 14k confirmed cases. We still dont know exactly where or how it started. It was previously thought to be linked to Huanan Seafood Market because many of the initial victims said they had gone there but they ruled it out as being the original source. But after watching a few videos it wouldnt surprise me if this strain came fron multiple wet markets. These markets sell live chickens, spotted deer, bats, ostriches, dogs, civets, centipedes, hedgehogs, frogs just to name a few. from the videos I have watched there are dead animals lying around, along with their entrails in close proximity to live ones.. raw meat lying out in the open for God knows how long.

I believe SARS was started this way.. animal to human contact initially and then it spread from there

I think I read that China has now banned the sale of live animals so as to cut down on the spread of disease.

Covid19 can be transmitted just by breathing and talking.

Since early reports revealed that a new coronavirus was spreading rapidly between people, researchers have been trying to pin down whether it can travel through the air. Health officials say the virus is transported only through droplets that are coughed or sneezed out — either directly, or on objects. But some scientists say there is preliminary evidence that airborne transmission — in which the disease spreads in the much smaller particles from exhaled air, known as aerosols — is occurring, and that precautions,such as Actively wear masks and stay at home as much as possible. or increasing ventilation indoors should be recommended to reduce the risk of infection.
Confusing definitions
When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that COVID-19 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further.
Most transmission occurs at close range, says Ben Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong. But the distinction between droplets and aerosols is unhelpful because “the particles that come out with virus can be a wide range of sizes. Very, very large ones right down to aerosols”, he says.And if SARS-CoV-2 is transmitting in aerosols, it is possible that virus particles can build up over time in enclosed spaces or be transmitted over greater distances.

Cautious approach public to wear masks to reduce transmission. Masks are ubiquitous in many countries in Asia. In the United States and some European countries, however, health officials have discouraged people from wearing them, in part because supplies are low and health-care workers need them. The Czech Republic and Slovakia, however, have made it mandatory for people to wear masks outside the home. Tang thinks those countries have taken the right approach. “They are following the southeast Asia approach. If everyone can mask, it is double, two-way protection”.

[lateralspin]

IMO masks are not as effective as other measures, when it comes to working in a high risk environment with other people. Avoidance is obviously best, but for essential workers in a high risk environment, measures have to be taken to protect employees and ensure a safe work environment. IMO going forward, our future workplaces will be different, and that most of society may probably work from home. Why do they need to go to work if it is proven that they do not have to? It is is waste of time and transport cost to commute to work every day if you can just work from home.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Tony208

People are having high speed joyrides on the streets here cause there's no traffic. Somehow they still crash.

Yesterday on my way from work/costco trip I saw two motorcycle cops running a speed trap.

After making one stop, I looked up ahead several blocks I see what looks like the same two cops. When I hit a stretch of road a couple miles ahead...there they were running a second speed trap. Pulled over a couple of kids driving about 5-10 miles faster than me.

I could argue both sides of this...but I thought "really?" with everything going on a speed trap is necessary?