Police Officer with no heart!

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by brettallica

I would take it easy on saying he didn't earn his badge and authority. How do you know that? I personally don't know that he did or didn't, but I'll bet money that Joe Captain of the Police Force didn't just hand this guy a badge.

Remember this thread the next time you have something terrible happen in your life and you need to make a call to the police department. My guess is you're not going to choose to call your buddies; you're going to call (and need) a cop. You'll be thanking them then.

Anyway, I don't want to make this seem like a personal attack on you necessarily because I'm sure you're a cool guy. It's just that a lot of times when something bad like this happens, people are quick to jump on the "cops suck" bandwagon.

There are more rude and corrupt police than most other professions, which is why they are disliked. Something bad like this happens daily. And how does a police officer earn the right to exact authority? Less school and training than thousands of other jobs for more power. Unfortunately I agree there is currently no alternative to them for protection, and it's just very sad.

It's funny. I go for a run 3-4 times a week at night and I am consistently stopped and screamed at and told that they are looking for a suspect that meets my description. Then I get to take my shoes off and be belittled by someone half my size but who has a taser he is just itching to use.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Either let him go or write the ticket and be done with it and you're doing your job. No problem.

Intentionally drag out the interaction when you know full well that the driver will take the full punishment just to get it over with? Now you're just a dick with a badge and a gun.

Yet again, I find myself completely agreeing with your entire post.

There is NO PROBLEM with giving Moats a ticket. None at all. He ran a red light. I ran one when my wife was in labor, and I deserved a ticket had I gotten pulled over.

But dragging it out is just plain mean.

Originally Posted by ZackL

The nurses and hospital staff came out and the officer became aware that it was certainly no excuse. A woman died without her family by her side to see her for the last time because some fool with a badge, gun, and too much power he didn't earn decided to exact authority.

It's heartbreaking that his mother-in-law passed away while the officer was dragging it out. That said -- had Moats stopped at the stop light, he likely would've been there in time.

The officer did not make him run the red light. If you don't apply the law to people speeding (i.e., driving dangerously) just because they're in a hurry to get to a hospital, you can't apply it to anyone.

[Marine Mike]

After watching the video those women should be glad they didn't get shot!

Its completely unacceptable to exit your vehicle like that and start running even if you are at a hospital. Just because it may be a life or death situation doesn't give you the right to break every single law you can think of.

Imagine if they were lying. Keep in mind though that there are people whom break the law that aren't smart and attract more attention then detract.

What if there were actually drugs in the vehicle or some sort of illegal activity was going on and their cover was that. The main people that were in charge of that would run into the hospital while the driver would keep the cop occupied enough for them to run away. Sure they were women and a little older, but that doesn't make it anymore right.

I fully support the cop's actions as the proper way for the family to handle this would of been to stay in the vehicle for the officer to approach before exiting the vehicle if the cop wouldn't let them inside after explaining the situation.

I'm sure a lot of you are aware of how many police officers are injured or killed in the line of duty and have certain rules of pulling people over for a reason. Until you have done what that officer has done then I don't think you have right to defend their actions.

I have been put in that situation as well as my family members. One of their spouses was literally dying in the hospital and she was speeding. What did she do? She pulled over and waited for the cop to come to her window and she took the ticket and moved on.

EDIT:
With all of that being said, the cop was acting like an ******* after the entire situation was explained to him by the hospital staff.

[brettallica]

Originally Posted by ZackL

There are more rude and corrupt police than most other professions, which is why they are disliked. Something bad like this happens daily. And how does a police officer earn the right to exact authority? Less school and training than thousands of other jobs for more power. Unfortunately I agree there is currently no alternative to them for protection, and it's just very sad.

It's funny. I go for a run 3-4 times a week at night and I am consistently stopped and screamed at and told that they are looking for a suspect that meets my description. Then I get to take my shoes off and be belittled by someone half my size but who has a taser he is just itching to use.

Well that is just terrible and I definitely will not try to make an excuse for that. There's no reason for that, unless of course the officer is telling the truth and they are actually looking for a suspect fitting your description. If that happens "all the time," though, that's not right. I would hate to be stopped in the middle of my runs, so I sympathize with you on that level.

About your comment "something like this happens daily" just remember that police officers are outnumbered by civilians by a huge amount. Sometimes they have to make decisions that aren't going to be popular; and they often times make decisions such as the one that is the basis of this thread that make a bad situation worse. It's human nature to make mistakes, and last I checked they are human, too. They need to have a certain amount of confidence and must act authoritatively because if they don't, that would be even worse. I don't want some pu$$y cop walking my streets; I want someone who is going to take control in dire situations.

[mikejet]

It's a shame that things like this happen but then there are good people out there. There's a video I saw yesterday of a judge that jumped out from his chair and went to tackle a suspect who went after a witness that just testified against him.

http://cbs4.com/local/John.Reasee.Judge.2.966837.html

[ludawg23]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

After watching the video those women should be glad they didn't get shot!

Yes, because I'm sure the cop and the police department can justify shooting an unarmed woman and her great-aunt outside of an emergency room parking lot.

The fact that the cop says "I can screw you over" just tells you what kind of scum bag he is.

I know a couple kids from my high school who are now city cops and it blows my mind because they are total DBs. I know for a fact they try and make other people's lives a living hell whenever possible.

NYC is a prime example, they will hire anyone. NYC cops are some of the most useless cops in the US.

[Chordata]

The good outweigh the bad.

We only hear about the bad, though, because usually the good doesn't sell.

Sad.

[brettallica]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

The good outweigh the bad.

We only hear about the bad, though, because usually the good doesn't sell.

Sad.

That's what I'm saying.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

Yes, because I'm sure the cop and the police department can justify shooting an unarmed woman and her great-aunt outside of an emergency room parking lot.

The fact that the cop says "I can screw you over" just tells you what kind of scum bag he is.

I know a couple kids from my high school who are now city cops and it blows my mind because they are total DBs. I know for a fact they try and make other people's lives a living hell whenever possible.

NYC is a prime example, they will hire anyone. NYC cops are some of the most useless cops in the US.

Have you honestly never heard of a police officer shooting an unarmed suspect?

[jkwest]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Have you honestly never heard of a police officer shooting an unarmed suspect?

surely you jest....

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by pacificvibes

Yup.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cop+shoot+unarmed

[jkwest]

Oh...my...

I just reread it and saw that she died.....

I didn't see that before...that POS needs to lose his badge for a few months....

[pacificvibes]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cop+shoot+unarmed

OH CRAP. I misread that...

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by jkwest

Oh...my...

I just reread it and saw that she died.....

I didn't see that before...that POS needs to lose his badge for a few months....

I agree that there should be punishment involved as well for the police officer. My only point is that the Moats could of handled the situation differently to yield different results.

[toef]

Originally Posted by jkwest

I realize that Brett.....I have just come to the conclusion that a cop has to carry a certain arrogance, and, it just repulses me...

Not to make an example out of one cop again, but when I was in Manhattan recently, I saw an NYPD officer who looked no older than 22 or 23, and his uniform pants were sagging. He had a nice swagger too. Based on the way he was talking to another person nearby, I concluded he probably didn't graduate from high school... or shouldn't have.

Definitely one of NY's finest.

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by jkwest

Oh...my...

I just reread it and saw that she died.....

I didn't see that before...that POS needs to lose his badge for a few months....

I agree what he did was totally wrong etc but technically, did he do anything illegal to warrant a suspension?

[ludawg23]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Have you honestly never heard of a police officer shooting an unarmed suspect?

Key word there is suspect.

I don't think the woman or great-aunt (who must have been really old) are considered suspects during a routine traffic violation...in the hospital parking lot nonetheless.

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

I agree what he did was totally wrong etc but technically, did he do anything illegal to warrant a suspension?

Generally, if your actions get your name, your department's name, and a quote from the Chief read by folks from another state (and not for doing something really good), then its time to make sure your union dues are paid up.

The fact that the ticket/no ticket decision was emotional rather than logical, and the officer used the "I could screw you" line tells me that he needs to be asking his future customers if they would like upsize their value meals for a dollar more.

Stopping the car was business but the delay, attitude, and language were punative. It is the court's job to decide guilt and punish, not the officer's. There is no place for this man in law enforcement.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

I agree what he did was totally wrong etc but technically, did he do anything illegal to warrant a suspension?

In your job.... do you have to do something illegal to warrant a suspension? Or just break company policy or behave unprofessionally? Just sayin.

[Mr. J]

That is F'd up! Some people in here are just making excuses for this cop! He may not have done anything to warrant beign fired, but anyone can tell he was being an ASS! Common Sense People!