Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[danman227460]

I was under the impression almost everyone said being asymptomatic is the biggest threat COVID posses. Wasn't there a report of people speculating China had asymptomatic carriers way before it actually started to show up?

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

Hasn't this been widely understood for a while now?

[jayman3]

Oil Prices Crash to -$37.63 a Barrel

West Texas Intermediate futures for May delivery, which expire Tuesday, plunged more than 100% to -$37.63 a barrel. That means sellers have to pay someone to take the oil off their hands. Brent crude oil prices, which have already rolled over to June-delivery contracts, fell 9% to $25.58 per barrel.

"If you hold the contract you're going to have to take the delivery," said Edward Moya, a market analyst with Oanda. "But no one wants to do that and since that's the case we are seeing such a severe drop deep into negative territory."

Storage is a major issue as facilities in Cushing, Okla., the major U.S. crude hub, start to fill up. In addition, floating storage held in offshore tankers has doubled over the past two weeks to record levels of more than 160 million barrels, according to Reuters.

Analysts estimate U.S. storage could max out by the summer, raising the threat of oil prices going negative. Already, oil prices for some of the more obscure grades of U.S. crude are nearing zero.

Demand isn't expected to rebound soon. The International Energy Agency sees a drop of 29 million barrels per day in global oil demand in April to the lowest level in 25 years, as countries lock down and restrict travel to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus. The IEA sees a 9.3 million bpd drop in demand for the year.

Lmao...we’re all f*cked



https://www.investors.com/news/us-oi...e-down-before/

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

#floridaidiots

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/..._autoplay=true

This is perfect to restart the economy ... the funeral parlors.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Absurd. My girlfriend has a professional job and makes pretty decent pay. Right now she works from home but had her hours cut from 40 to 25 which is pretty devastating and she's worried sick. The company had been laying many people off for the past few months already and now this. So you're saying she should just go work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart and expose herself to getting infected, and throw away her career while she's at it?

People want their life back, as it was, not throw away their career to work at fast food.

So someone isn't a "professional" if they're not working in some life-affirming job making megabucks doing what they love? Huh. As much as I appreciate that people are majorly stressing out because their cosy modern world has been turned upside down, we'll be dealing with the fallout from this for years, decades even. So instead of looking down your noses at the people who actually make society tick over at the ground level, if not the loftiest societal strata, you all might wanna consider that what people "want" may not actually be waiting for them on the other side, and not be such ****s about it.

Could other people rein in their unalloyed glee at the prospect of well-paid "professionals" having to become minimum wage supermarket mongs, which is of course getting you all het up in turn because you just want normality back? Of coursh. But as I just said: "want" doesn't always "get".

[LordoftheRings]

Corona's antibody ...
¤ https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iously-thought

We need more testing, analysis like this, 50 to 85 times more analysis and all over the world.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlgf...ature=youtu.be

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So someone isn't a "professional" if they're not working in some life-affirming job making megabucks doing what they love? Huh. As much as I appreciate that people are majorly stressing out because their cosy modern world has been turned upside down, we'll be dealing with the fallout from this for years, decades even. So instead of looking down your noses at the people who actually make society tick over at the ground level, if not the loftiest societal strata, you all might wanna consider that what people "want" may not actually be waiting for them on the other side, and not be such ****s about it.

Could other people rein in their unalloyed glee at the prospect of well-paid "professionals" having to become minimum wage supermarket mongs, which is of course getting you all het up in turn because you just want normality back? Of coursh. But as I just said: "want" doesn't always "get".

First of all this is nobody's fault,so you can hardly blame people wanting normality back,and and who knows how hard someone had to work, or how many years they had to put in to get where they were.

Also like the way you say on one hand talking about people who make society tick over, then refer to them as, "minimum wage supermarket mongs", tends to make your rant lose a little credibility.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So someone isn't a "professional" if they're not working in some life-affirming job making megabucks doing what they love? Huh. As much as I appreciate that people are majorly stressing out because their cosy modern world has been turned upside down, we'll be dealing with the fallout from this for years, decades even. So instead of looking down your noses at the people who actually make society tick over at the ground level, if not the loftiest societal strata, you all might wanna consider that what people "want" may not actually be waiting for them on the other side, and not be such ****s about it.

Could other people rein in their unalloyed glee at the prospect of well-paid "professionals" having to become minimum wage supermarket mongs, which is of course getting you all het up in turn because you just want normality back? Of coursh. But as I just said: "want" doesn't always "get".

Where did this come from? I think you're totally misunderstanding my post. My girlfriend has a job in claims - she basically runs the department. It's a respectable job and she earns pretty good pay, but it isn't even what she studied for in college. I say professional because she makes important decisions that deal with money and she's trusted with responsibility, but it's not something you would take in college as a career. It's a claims department. And now she fears her position may be eliminated, leaving her with basically nowhere to go, as this has basically been her job for most of her life. She has very little experience in anything outside of what she has been doing all these years at her current job. She's given the company the majority of her working years and now fears she may be jobless soon. Most of her department has been let go even before the virus was a thing due to cutting positions and they're operating on a skeleton crew. The virus is just making the situation even more stressful as her hours have now been cut and she's working at home.

In no way do either of us "look down" on anybody else. We're right there with the vast majority of people - living paycheck to paycheck. Every single job is important to the functioning of our society, from washing dishes and serving burgers to managing companies.

My point was that she has worked very hard and went through tons of stress watching others lose their positions over the past year or two, just to see it get even worse now. She's totally stressed over it all. I would not expect her to go wash dishes or flip burgers right now, in the current climate out there, not because I think she's "above that", but because the best thing she could do at this point is keep working as she has been and hope things don't get worse, and if she gets bad news form her company, which could be this week, next week, next month...then she should collect while she's eligible and try to come up with a new plan. She's never even written up a resume and wouldn't know how. We talked about that the other day. She didn't need one way back when she got hired originally at her job, and she's been there all of her adult life. It's not so easy to just switch gears and change your life when this is all you've ever known.

It's understandable that people are worried about their jobs. Just because "there's plenty of positions at Wal-Mart or McDonalds" doesn't mean that's an option for everyone.

[Lee A Stewart]

These are the states that require you to wear a face mask in public:

Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
New Jersey
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

These are the states that require you to wear a face mask in public:

Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
New Jersey
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island

Went out for a little bit today and saw the grocery stores and fruit markets with signs saying that you must have them. I will say that 80% of the people out and about had them on.

But, also, I will say that there were a LOT of people outside today. Probably the most I've seen in the last few weeks. Granted, I'm not out every day so I'm not the best judge...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So someone isn't a "professional" if they're not working in some life-affirming job making megabucks doing what they love?

Geoff, I think you misunderstood mar's point.
Take a breath

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctor...ry?id=70153054

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So someone isn't a "professional" if they're not working in some life-affirming job making megabucks doing what they love? Huh. As much as I appreciate that people are majorly stressing out because their cosy modern world has been turned upside down, we'll be dealing with the fallout from this for years, decades even. So instead of looking down your noses at the people who actually make society tick over at the ground level, if not the loftiest societal strata, you all might wanna consider that what people "want" may not actually be waiting for them on the other side, and not be such ****s about it.

Could other people rein in their unalloyed glee at the prospect of well-paid "professionals" having to become minimum wage supermarket mongs, which is of course getting you all het up in turn because you just want normality back? Of coursh. But as I just said: "want" doesn't always "get".

Is the government going to pay my mortgage if I'm stuck working at McDonald's? Nope. Or should I have not been so selfish and stayed in a lower tier apartment with no car my whole life wearing a tin foil so I never have to worry? Don't be simplifying things so much. And on bluray.com of all places, a site literally created to talk about non essentials in life (which your collection says you've done a lot of).

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

These are the states that require you to wear a face mask in public:

Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
New Jersey
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island

well I live about three blocks from the Maryland border, guess I wont wander in that direction.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Went out for a little bit today and saw the grocery stores and fruit markets with signs saying that you must have them. I will say that 80% of the people out and about had them on.

But, also, I will say that there were a LOT of people outside today. Probably the most I've seen in the last few weeks. Granted, I'm not out every day so I'm not the best judge...

As the weather gets nicer in NYC there’s going to be a lot more people out. I’ve said it before but there’s a park I pass sometimes when going out to refill on essentials & every time the weather gets nice it’s packed with people running the track, doing exercise, hanging out or playing soccer. Few if any had masks on that I’ve noticed last time. Maybe since it’s mandated now it might be different next time.

[chip75]

Who knows how this will tun out? perhaps in five years the only two industries will be Mask Manufacturing and Amazon Drone Basket Fillers.

Some lives will be changed irrevocably.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

Who knows how this will tun out? perhaps in five years the only two industries will be Mask Manufacturing and Amazon Drone Basket Fillers.

Some lives will be changed irrevocably.

Which, for all the latent aggression in my previous post, is exactly the point I was ultimately trying to make.

Originally Posted by jonmoz

First of all this is nobody's fault,so you can hardly blame people wanting normality back,and and who knows how hard someone had to work, or how many years they had to put in to get where they were.

Also like the way you say on one hand talking about people who make society tick over, then refer to them as, "minimum wage supermarket mongs", tends to make your rant lose a little credibility.

That comment was intended to frame it from the perspective of the people who'd never even think of stooping that low to work, yet as I am one of said mongs anyway it makes me perfectly qualified to comment thusly. But clearly I've misread the room so I apologise for offending anyone, although...

Originally Posted by Hatter

Is the government going to pay my mortgage if I'm stuck working at McDonald's? Nope. Or should I have not been so selfish and stayed in a lower tier apartment with no car my whole life wearing a tin foil so I never have to worry? Don't be simplifying things so much. And on bluray.com of all places, a site literally created to talk about non essentials in life (which your collection says you've done a lot of).

....leaving all the jabs aside at who does what and why, from looking at this as dispassionately as possible it may well prove that people's lives will have to be permanently adjusted on a massive scale, not that they haven't already. It's an incredibly sobering thought for everyone with businesses to run, livelihoods and lifestyles to maintain, kids to rear, debts and mortgages to be paid, cars to be gassed up etc, so pretty much the majority of the human race then. But it's something we'll have to confront if it comes to it.

And yet, for the world-class idling I've done on this and other forums I've still ended up being classed as a "key worker" on the front line of this brave new world of ours. Go figure.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

lol, honestly, im not going to bother reading an article/study that is telling people a surgical mask has the same efficiency as an N95. thats just asinine.

Then you have no business commenting on it. The article quotes multiple studies that show that in practice, surgical masks appear to be about as effective as N95 at protecting against COVD-19. The article specifically says they do not know exactly why that is, as they admit themselves that the N95 masks do in fact filter much better than the surgical masks. But again, in real life practice, not in controlled test labs, multiple studies have shown that surgical masks are effective against the flu and COVID-19.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/...n-coronavirus/

"Researchers in Canada randomly assigned 446 nurses to wear N95 or surgical masks during a few months of cold and flu seasons (September to December). Then they tracked how many got the flu or a cold. Again, no significant difference! Both masks performed just as well at preventing the transmission of the viruses. Twenty percent of nurses wearing surgical masks got sick versus 22% wearing N95 masks."

"Researchers in Australia studied parents taking care of their children, who were sick with the flu. Because people often don’t wear masks at home (even around sick people), researchers could defensibly randomly assign people to wear masks or not. They randomly assigned parents to wear no mask, a surgical mask, or an N95 masks like the one I’m wearing here. Then they tracked how many parents got the flu. Compared to parents not wearing masks, parents wearing surgical masks had 27% odds of getting the flu versus 24% wearing N95 masks (called “P2” masks here). Thus, masks seemed to work! But again, surgical masks were just as effective as N95 masks. And the effect size was fairly large—75% reduction in infection risk. The table above reports hazard ratios, not raw percentages. In raw percentages, 17% of all participants got sick versus 5% among surgical masks and 4% wearing N95 masks."

"How on Earth Could Surgical Masks Work as Well as N95 Masks at Capturing Viruses"

"OK, at this point, there must still be some skeptical readers out there. There’s no way that surgical masks can capture particles that small! I saw a doctor on Quora say that “most masks” can’t capture particles the size of viruses. But when we ignore our intuition and look at actual test data, reality is far more interesting. Test data shows surgical masks are surprisingly effective, even for tiny particles. For example, in one study, researchers tested particles down to .007 microns (even smaller than viruses) and found that a simple surgical mask blocked 80%. So it’s downright surprising that surgical masks are just as effective! Maybe virus particles are actually easy to capture because they fly on water droplets. Or maybe mask usage prevents people from touching their mouth and nose. For now, I can only speculate.

Bottom line: There’s scientific evidence finding that (1) masks prevent flu infection and (2) surgical masks prevent infection of viruses like the coronavirus (Covid-19), as well as more sophisticated N95 masks."


I posted a claim and followed it through with a link to an article which highlights several studies and their conclusions.

None of this matters much anyways since none of us can buy surgical masks now or anytime soon. And home-made cloth masks are nowhere near as effective as surgical or N95 masks.

[Eye Candy]

I experienced some normalcy today at the supermarket, other than most everyone wearing masks in the store.


They had TP, paper towels, and kleenex tissue, and water. They had all of the produce and meats available. And the bread I like.


Still no hand sanitizer or Wet Ones.

[Himmel]

The protesters should each have this in their wallets.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQwh...ature=youtu.be