Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by veritas

You should be wearing the mask all the time even when your driving. taking the mask off and putting it back on repeatedly/ touching it greatly reduces its effectiveness. if you repeatedly fiddle with the mask and touch it your increasing your risk of getting corona virus on your hands and increasing the risk of spreading it around your face. At some point with enough bad habbits the mask will probably increase your risk of getting corona virus compared to a person who actually does proper social distancing (6 feet is a minimum if people are exercising breathing hard etc you need to be more like 14 to 20 feet) and doesn't touch their face

Basically if your going to take the mask off you need to put a fresh one on and clean your hands before and after the processes to really be safe.

I disagree, but thank you for your perspective.

[mar3o]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reopened-...170717674.html

Reopened restaurant tells workers: Don't wear face masks — or don't work

Texas restaurants that reopened at partial capacity last week have a choice to make: Whether or not their employees should wear masks during the coronavirus pandemic.

One restaurant company landed on a decision that has some employees weighing their safety versus their jobs.

No face masks or face coverings of any kind.

"Face masks don't complement the restaurant group's style or level of hospitality."

I don't even know what to say any more to these articles.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I disagree, but thank you for your perspective.

I mean that's the medical perspective for masks. Theirs a reason doctors before this thing started only wear the things for an hour before effectiveness is reduced and touching the mask is considered contamination. The things are designed to catch droplets. Of course this is assuming people are wearing good masks like n95s if you are wearing cheap homemade masks then they don't really give you much benefit at all to begin with its mostly to protect other people from you.

[Batman1980]

Well and I'm one of those who think masks are iffy, yes I've heard the arguments. I'm a dishwasher. We're going to get water, sweat, trash and food all over those things quite quickly so we're going to spend the entire shift with a filthy mask on our faces that we're going to be adjusting while we work.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I never said I don't wear a mask. You seem to be going through one of your paranoid cycles. Must be the media bearing down hard on the fearmongering lately.

dont waste your "breathe" lol

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Originally Posted by veritas

You should be wearing the mask all the time even when your driving. taking the mask off and putting it back on repeatedly/ touching it greatly reduces its effectiveness. if you repeatedly fiddle with the mask and touch it your increasing your risk of getting corona virus on your hands and increasing the risk of spreading it around your face. At some point with enough bad habbits the mask will probably increase your risk of getting corona virus compared to a person who actually does proper social distancing (6 feet is a minimum if people are exercising breathing hard etc you need to be more like 14 to 20 feet) and doesn't touch their face

its quite easy to remove a mask after shopping without touching your face. your approach isnt wrong by any means but neither is not wearing it in the car if done properly

[MifuneFan]

If you're handling the masks only by its earloops, it's okay to remove it, and put it back on later on. It's really the front of the mask that's most important to not touch as that's where any droplets, or pathogens collect. If you do touch the front, like to adjust the nose part, then sanitize/wash your hands after, and you're fine.

I find wearing a mask for long periods of time to be very uncomfortable, and you start breathing heavier into after a while, making the inside moister, and also leading to you touching it more to adjust it as it inevitably shifts around your face, ultimately weakening the integrity of the mask more than you would if you removed it in situations where you don't absolutely need to wear it.

I would say it's safe to take it off while driving, as long as you handle it by the earloops, and sanitize your hands after.

[Batman1980]

Itchy!

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by veritas

I mean that's the medical perspective for masks. Theirs a reason doctors before this thing started only wear the things for an hour before effectiveness is reduced and touching the mask is considered contamination. The things are designed to catch droplets. Of course this is assuming people are wearing good masks like n95s if you are wearing cheap homemade masks then they don't really give you much benefit at all to begin with its mostly to protect other people from you.

Yes, but I thought this was about driving? I use an N95 though, which is preformed with a spider-web outside plastic shell. So the filter never touches my skin and my hand never touches the filter. Anyway I see your point about the cloth face covering that most people use so that would make sense I suppose to leave it on (if your worried about getting from your hands).

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I have decided after just coming back from Dollar Tree that when I go shopping, I am going to be just as big an a$$hole as everyone else! No more Mr. Nice Guy! I expect people not to like me because I definitely do not like them.

Except if everyone has that same attitude...

[Underworld54]

66% of new hospitalizations in NY were people who had been staying home. More of a reason to open us back up. If people are getting sick by staying home then might as well let theme out and about. What it comes down to is you're going to get the virus one way or another.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

66% of new hospitalizations in NY were people who had been staying home. More of a reason to open us back up. If people are getting sick by staying home then might as well let theme out and about. What it comes down to is you're going to get the virus one way or another.

these "statistics" are so generalized though, you cant even make any real claims against them. stay at home. how many of those went out to do stuff. were they wearing masks. did they go to grocery store once a week, twi,ce 3 times etc....i find it very hard to believe that during this stay at home, no one has gone anywhere and have literally stayed shut at home

without details, all these stats are meaningless

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

these "statistics" are so generalized though, you cant even make any real claims against them. stay at home. how many of those went out to do stuff. were they wearing masks. did they go to grocery store once a week, twi,ce 3 times etc....i find it very hard to believe that during this stay at home, no one has gone anywhere and have literally stayed shut at home

without details, all these stats are meaningless

Obviously it means they went out, you have to go out for food and essentials.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

these "statistics" are so generalized though, you cant even make any real claims against them. stay at home. how many of those went out to do stuff. were they wearing masks. did they go to grocery store once a week, twi,ce 3 times etc....i find it very hard to believe that during this stay at home, no one has gone anywhere and have literally stayed shut at home

without details, all these stats are meaningless

Exactly. Those "home" people are simply everyone who came in to test from their homes. They could be workers from a slaughterhouse, nurses, protesters, beachgoers, or anyone, regardless of how much time they actually spend at home.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Obviously it means they went out, you have to go out for food and essentials.

exactly, but there are so many variables to take into account from one persons journey out vs anothers. in reality, we dont know what degree the stay at home is doing to reduce the spread. logically, it has to help some, but how much, we dont and wont ever know

[Underworld54]

Cuomo said nearly 84% of the hospitalized cases were people who were not commuting to work through car services, personal cars, public transit or walking. He said a majority of those people were either retired or unemployed. Overall, some 73% of the admissions were people over age 51.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

exactly, but there are so many variables to take into account from one persons journey out vs anothers. in reality, we dont know what degree the stay at home is doing to reduce the spread. logically, it has to help some, but how much, we dont and wont ever know

Right, so we have to go with the data that is being provided which points to people can take all the precautions they can they are still going to get sick. We're ruining the economy by shutting things down and people are still getting sick. Brilliant!

[Underworld54]

Also during this pandemic 1 in 5 kids aren't getting enough to eat. Aren't these kids our future? We making people suffer for less than 1% of the sick who are dying. How does that make sense?

[AFFanAttic]

Funkin' weird how when presented with the problems "the government is asking farmers to destroy excess crops" and "1 in 5 kids are starving" the common solution to both these problems turned out to be…

kill the old and disabled.

Oooohkay. Fine. Let's try it.

[MifuneFan]

How do people still not understand that social distancing isn't just meant to protect the high risk populations. Its primarily goal is to protect hospitals from being overrun, which would quickly happen in many places if everything just opened up. Hospitals being overrun leads to unnecessary deaths, and trickles over to all other parts of society.

People that just constantly focus on what group of people dying the most are acting pretty short-sighted, and clearly don't understand the bigger picture here.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

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why should everyone suffer for the few? if the elderly and vulnerable are to be home regardless.

everything is a risk, its up to each person to decide how much risk to take in life.

I'm just bugging him because he thinks he's invincible...