Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lee A Stewart]

For the first time in its 115 year history, New York City deliberately shut down its entire subway system, to deep clean every subway car

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Well I wouldn't call Yahoo or HUffPost an exemplary source, but those quotes are coming from experts. I wouldn't call it garbage. I think they're right - there will be another wave and it certainly has the potential to be worse.





I trust they know their field of work, and are better suited to comment on the situation than forum posters (myself included).

And the second wave of the Spanish flu was indeed worse.

That's not fear-mongering. It's warning the citizens and the leaders that if things are not approached carefully, we could see a repeat of the Spanish flu. That's fact.

It still an old story, that they framed as something new. You can google this sameheadline going back weeks.

I guess those that are the most fearful of this virus have the most tolerance for the fearmongering headlines. They are in the business to make money and the best way to do that is to look to their best interests, not yours. A more moderate approach will just lower clicks, shares and revenue.

[Pondosinatra]

Just saw a TV scroll on the news saying the UK economy to be the worst this year since 1706.

On the plus side, PayPal is through the roof this morning.

[MifuneFan]

Great, now who do they plan to colonize to make up for those losses.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

How do people still not understand that social distancing isn't just meant to protect the high risk populations. Its primarily goal is to protect hospitals from being overrun, which would quickly happen in many places if everything just opened up. Hospitals being overrun leads to unnecessary deaths, and trickles over to all other parts of society.

People that just constantly focus on what group of people dying the most are acting pretty short-sighted, and clearly don't understand the bigger picture here.

but you alternatively do not look at the stats and interpret said facts.

its precisely the elderly and people with underlying conditions which need to go to the hospital while everyone else for the most part would be staying home to treat the virus.

i'm certainly not saying to just "open everything up". i dont think anyone here is saying that

[Show spoiler]
"While 80% of COVID-19 cases are considered mild — a broad term referring to patients who do not require hospitalization — severe cases can involve pneumonia-like symptoms and respiratory failure that necessitate a hospital stay. "

"Of the nearly 1,500 patients in the study, 74.5% were older than 50, and 54.4% were male. Overall, the hospitalization rate among patients during the four-week period was 4.6 per 100,000 Americans."

"The CDC report collected data about underlying health problems among 180 of the 1,482 hospitalized Americans. Of that subset, 89.3% had at least one underlying condition."

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...te-race-2020-4

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

Man, you weren't kidding. Worst seltzer I've ever had haha. Mango is more tolerable, but lime is pretty bad too. Awful purchase. Probably should've known better than to buy something with Corona on the label.

haha, ok, thought it was just me who thought it was gross... yea, the corona mango was good and i actualyl liked the lime flavors but i wont be buying corona seltzer again. overall, they were the worst of any brand ive tried.

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

There's a Youtube video of a conspiracy documentary, "Plandemic", featuring Dr. Judy Mikovits, that has been making the rounds on Facebook today. Mikovits, who has been a fixture in pseudoscience circles for years, is now seeking to uncover the supposed hidden agenda behind the COVID-19 pandemic.

Years ago, I would have made a bet that nothing could possibly be more amusingly mindless than the 9/11 conspiracy video, "Loose Change", and I would have lost that bet.

i watched the video; did you?

im just curious how parts of the video do not alarm you. the Fauci ties in particular. the clear evidence that cheap drugs are being pushed aside for more expensive drugs with patents where someone stands to gain financially from. it doesnt alarm you that Fauci/Gates have a financial gain in this somehow? to blatantly push aside Chloroquin until vetted (its only been used for 70 years for similar viruses) yet he will push out a vaccine to millions without the same vetting he speaks of? hmm, wonder why that might be.

its just very coincidental how many ties some of these people have to all of this. Fauci giving 3.7 million to the wuhan lab to study coronaviruses is sketchy. Do i belive Fauci has the general public's general safety as a top priority, yes. do i think he also has ulterior motives (among basically everyone else politically tied to this ordeal) absolutely.

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I'm now even more confused.

So people starting the truth and reporting the truth are "fear mongering??"

Talk about a "damned if you do/don't" situation

i think its more the fact that this has been talked about from the beginning, so this was already common knowledge, but is now be flouted like some new revelation we should all start freaking out about.

Originally Posted by Bigdog

I have been a member on another site i visit for a couple decades now and have known this person for many years now.

He has a brother who is a ER nurse in NYC. He caught the virus a couple weeks back and has thankfully made a full recovery. He had used the combo z-pac/anti Mallari drug that Trump had touted a month or so back and has also seen it used to successfully treat hundreds of patients at his hospital.

So it came as a complete shock to him and all of his fellow co workers when he arrived back to work and was receiving emails telling him to not use that cheap and readily available and effective drug combo, but to use Remdesivir instead.

Remdesivir - which is backed by some big money, Bill Gates foundation to name one. The Doctor's and Nurses are quite upset by all of this since they are the ones on the front lines and have seen the results and what treatments work first hand.

I truly hope they are not playing politics with peoples lives here, because that is what it is looking like to me!

oh you better believe people are playing politics here. pretty sick actually

Originally Posted by Underworld54

That first drug is super dangerous to some people. I believe it can cause heart failure.

every drug can be dangerous to certain people. those stats we keep hearing about are primarily from reactions to the drug once the cytokine storm has already developed. all doctors using the drug combo, and there are thousands worldwide using it with great results, all agree that it has to be administered in the very early stages and once you get to a certain point, its too late and that is when it becomes dangerous to the patient.

Originally Posted by Underworld54

That's not misinformation, that's direct stats from hospital visits. Cuomo even said that this is both surprising and concerning. Also, why would people lie? It's not an arrestable offense to leave your house. I could see people lying if there were legal consequences for going out, but there not.

its not that people are lying, its that the definitions is way too vague and encompasses basically everyone whom could be doing multiple various things other than staying home

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

but you alternatively do not look at the stats and interpret said facts.

its precisely the elderly and people with underlying conditions which need to go to the hospital while everyone else for the most part would be staying home to treat the virus.

i'm certainly not saying to just "open everything up". i dont think anyone here is saying that

[Show spoiler]
"While 80% of COVID-19 cases are considered mild — a broad term referring to patients who do not require hospitalization — severe cases can involve pneumonia-like symptoms and respiratory failure that necessitate a hospital stay. "

"Of the nearly 1,500 patients in the study, 74.5% were older than 50, and 54.4% were male. Overall, the hospitalization rate among patients during the four-week period was 4.6 per 100,000 Americans."

"The CDC report collected data about underlying health problems among 180 of the 1,482 hospitalized Americans. Of that subset, 89.3% had at least one underlying condition."

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...te-race-2020-4

At one point, people between 20-54 made up nearly 40% off US hospitalizations. But over 25% of people hospitalized being under 50 is still quite an alarmingly high number, and if places did open up, that amount alone when expanded to an area's population would be enough to overwhelm many hospital systems around this country. And then if you factor in the people who aren't exactly elderly that's between 50 and say 65, who are still part of the labor-force, that percentage would go up even more. So yes, the elderly and infirmed are obviously more likely to be hospitalized, and die, but there's still a sizable percentage of people that are younger that could strain hospitals too.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It's misinformation because you're framing it as if these people just stayed home, when he said they mostly stayed home. That's a big difference. He also never said you'd be fine if you just stayed home, so that's misinformation too.

Direct quote from Cuomo himself.

"I was afraid that it was going to infect my family no matter what I did. We're past that," Cuomo said at a press conference on April 13. "If you isolate, if you take the precautions, your family won't get infected."

Once again, not misinformation.

[bruceames]

I agree it's hard to get it if you take the precautions. Outside it's generally safe because of the vast open air and easier to social distance. Where it's really dangerous is engaging in prolonged close contact, which is a stupid thing to do anyway. Which is why large gatherings will be the last thing to come back.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Direct quote from Cuomo himself.



Once again, not misinformation.

Do you actually read what it says? It says take precautions. He never said just staying home in itself protects you. You still have to take the necessary precautions which is exactly what I said he said earlier..So yes, you are clearly framing it different than what he said.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Stop with the misinformation. First, we know very little about those incidences, and are relying on their word. And the key is these people mostly stayed home. Which is to say that they didn't completely stay home, and were just as vulnerable as anyone else when they went out. Just going to a grocery store once every 2 weeks for instance could be enough to get infected. We also don't have info on whether any of these people had other family members who were essential workers, or going out in general. You could stay home all you want, but if you have a daughter that's hanging out, going to the market, not wearing a mask and/or any other safety measures, and then coming home, then you're just as vulnerable as if you went out yourself. Cuomo also never stated that if you and your families stay home you'll be fine. Independent of living in a bubble with zero human/outside interactioneveryone has to take proper precautions regardless, and that's what Cuomo has stated repeatedly.

Also, I'm not even entirely sure if this survey is even painting an accurate picture. Look at the options here. Even most essential workers are going to choose home, because they're not in jail, a nursing facility, homeless etc.. They were at home when they likely realized they had to get help...

[Underworld54]

He said if you isolate you won't get sick. Yet the data released yesterday contradicts what he said on April 13th. He even admitted he was surprised at these figures, why show surprise if he didn't mean you're not going to get sick if you iscolate? I can't make you understand a direct quote. Also the 66% includes a lot of unemployed and older people, why bring essential workers into this?

I'm not going to do this back and forth with you all day. It's pointless.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

At one point, people between 20-54 made up nearly 40% off US hospitalizations. But over 25% of people hospitalized being under 50 is still quite an alarmingly high number, and if places did open up, that amount alone when expanded to an area's population would be enough to overwhelm many hospital systems around this country. And then if you factor in the people who aren't exactly elderly that's between 50 and say 65, who are still part of the labor-force, that percentage would go up even more. So yes, the elderly and infirmed are obviously more likely to be hospitalized, and die, but there's still a sizable percentage of people that are younger that could strain hospitals too.

in the beginning, absolutely, which was the whole intention of mitigation, to prevent that from happening. i think we are at a point where that will not happen in the vast majority of the country any longer though and the numbers suggest that.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

That's not misinformation, that's direct stats from hospital visits. Cuomo even said that this is both surprising and concerning. Also, why would people lie? It's not an arrestable offense to leave your house. I could see people lying if there were legal consequences for going out, but there not.

There's probably a few reasons why people lie, mainly that they didn't leave their homes for an essential reason (other reasons are illegal in the UK) and they didn't engage in distancing while they were out. Maybe they're worried that they were asymptomatic for a period and decided to mingle with their buddies and they're worried that they've spread the virus throughout their neighborhood?

If you went into lock-down without the virus, haven't engaged with another person, been vigorous with cleaning items coming into your home, then the chances of catching the virus are slim. If you haven't then that percentage goes up. Self isolation with proper methodology is as safe as it gets.

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I still don't understand why people are saying that their civil liberties and constitutional rights are being trampled on with lock-down. Things like Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Movement have their limits, they always have.

[Underworld54]

If the threat to overwhelm hospitals is so great now then why were a lot of these constructed secondary hospitals closed down? Wouldn't they want to keep these open for when steps to reopen are underway just in case there was a spike in very ill people?

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

He said if you isolate you won't get sick. Yet the data released yesterday contradicts what he said on April 13th. He even admitted he was surprised at these figures, why show surprise if he didn't mean you're not going to get sick if you iscolate? I can't make you understand a direct quote. Also the 66% includes a lot of unemployed and older people, why bring essential workers into this?

I'm not going to do this back and forth with you all day. It's pointless.

Cuomo as well as yourself are not interpreting the chart properly. The chart represents the place you lived before you were admitted. Look at the options dude. You think essential workers are choosing a nursing home or prison from those choices? Think about it..They are choosing home. It's misrepresented data.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Cuomo as well as yourself are not interpreting the chart properly. The chart represents the place you lived before you were admitted. Look at the options dude. You think essential workers are choosing a nursing home or prison from those choices? Think about it..They are choosing home. It's misrepresented data.

Come on man, Cuomo has people advising him. He has medical professionals all over the world advising him on this data. It's not him shooting from the hip here.

Did your medical advisors around the world look at the data and tell you what it means?

To actually think someone handed him this data and he talked about it without being counseled on it is absurd.

[Dollar Colonel]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

If the threat to overwhelm hospitals is so great now then why were a lot of these constructed secondary hospitals closed down? Wouldn't they want to keep these open for when steps to reopen are underway just in case there was a spike in very ill people?

Staffing and supply shortages. It takes an army to run a hospital and contractor janitors, security, etc. are in understaffed. Personnel and equipment are diverted to where they're needed.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

Staffing and supply shortages. It takes an army to run a hospital and contractor janitors, security, etc. are in understaffed. Personnel and equipment are diverted to where they're needed.

Many of these states are constructing these at a fraction of the cost of what they were estimated to cost and many are getting reimbursedfor up to 75% of the cost. You'd think they'd want to keep some open in case of needing overflow.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I would deactivate it but that would include the groups I'm in as well (mostly about running). Unfortunately FB groups are replacing traditional forums like this (although obviously this forum isn't being threatened), and I get a lot of valuable info from those groups. So I'm basically roped in.

I'd imagine younger folks in high school and college try to disassociate from it because they may not want parents and family see their wall posts and conversations. But for nearly everyone else it's kind of expected that you'll be reasonably active on there. It seems like most of the people I know post multiple times a day on their wall. Some people will post and then never respond to any of them and some of them will actively respond back and forth for a while. But to me, the whole concept of a 'personal wall feed' seems a bit egotistical. I'd kind of rather there be topic-centric message boards than just seeing names and starting conversations on someone's personal "site." As someone else mentioned, people kind of become characters from all the branding and upkeep. And it's tough to stomach all the extremist opinions people have and seeing an army of people like/praise all of the posts while questioning anyone else's patriotism or other values if you don't agree.

The overwhelming majority of people I know only use it to post or talk to people already a part of their established clique. I'd imagine very few talk to people outside of their network or forums that are run through FB. And a lot of married guys are probably afraid to post much since it may trigger their wives. I know a lot of guys who ended up going from having a personal account to a joint account with the wife because she didn't like him liking or respond to other women's posts. And my spouse always pressures me to like her posts or make my main picture a photo of us. It's pretty annoying and I prefer to use forums like these or just use the private messaging option on FB.

[Moe Szyslak]

Got the call. Back to work on Monday.

[Underworld54]

New data in NYC is showing health care workers are showing less antibody positive testing than the general populations. Some as much as nearly 50% less in some areas. Very good news. It means the health care workers are being protected, and they need to be.