Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

For folks interested in content creation here is a great post by Stacey Spears.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Has nothing to do with content owners TOS/EULA.

Didn’t examine that, still this topic has gone the distance as it started out as a “can purchases disappear from a ITunes collection?” It safe to say it can happen, and as said no one is going loose sleep over it.

You should worry more about someone stealthy borrowing you prized media when your not watching!

[bhampton]

Hey,

Kaliedescape is dying again. Or rather, they are killing off the premier models.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...l#post59666504

At the prices they command I thought everything they sold qualified as Premier but then again at the prices they went for I knew never to look to far into it.

-Brian

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Kaliedescape is dying again. Or rather, they are killing off the premier models.

Could be they could not compete with Zappiti. It will be interesting to see if Zappiti will replace the Realtek RTD1295 design with a new one using the newer RTD1619.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Could be they could not compete with Zappiti. It will be interesting to see if Zappiti will replace the Realtek RTD1295 design with a new one using the newer RTD1619.

How is this legal? From Sound & Vision.

The elephant in the room here, of course, is how do you get your movie and music library onto the drives to begin with? A Google search will call up plenty of software options to do just that, and Zappiti supports most file types you'd create with these, including MKV, ISO, and BDMV. The latter two even provide full menu access, just like you'd get with standard disc playback.

The other solution—one supported by Zappiti—is the third box the company sent me, the NAS Rip 4K HDR, a NAS with eight hard drive storage bays that can be accessed over your home network. A disc drive built into the NAS Rip 4K is programmed to automatically copy just about any shiny silver disc you own, including Blu-ray, Ultra HD Blu-ray, DVD, and CD. The user simply places the disc in the tray and the software transfers it to your Zappiti library along with all the necessary information to populate a snazzy onscreen interface. This makes it a truly plug-and-play solution.

I recognize people been ripping media to set up allowed file structure to play DVD's and Blu rays. But anything that says it will play UHD Blu-ray and it provides a rip into its storage has whose approval? Especially the mention of ISO.

[JohnAV]

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[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

How is this legal? From Sound & Vision.

I recognize people been ripping media to set up allowed file structure to play DVD's and Blu rays. But anything that says it will play UHD Blu-ray and it provides a rip into its storage has whose approval? Especially the mention of ISO.

You will have to ask the French.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

You will have to ask the French.

Counting to 100 in French with a NYC Cabbie - YouTube

[Plutotype]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Someone on AVS said with their cable 200+ Mbps connection it took 35 minutes to download the 4K UHD of Deadpool from Kaleidoscope store. Just seem like a big waste of resources and time, instead of just buying it and permanently having it available to stick in a UHD BD player. Usually at the same time you acquire a digital version of the film you can redeem to play on a variety of devices. Where's the real advantage? Certainly not from a economics perspective.

Added. File Transfer Time Calculator

The above equates to 50 GB file at approx 200 Mbps.

The biggest advantage of streaming subscription is instant access to the content in a relatively good quality. You receive a tv show recommendation from your friend and in the same second you can press play on your laptop or TV app. This is also technically possible with BD/UHD disc streaming ( no additional compression ), but current internet bandwith is not ready yet. In a fact, stable 150Mbit internet connection is sufficient for this. Recent Netflix servers can do 200Gb/s and future streaming HW will be able to do even more ( check 800Gb/s networking ).

With streaming services you dont own anything. Provider can add / delete content and you cant influence that. It is similar to cable/sat TV. They tell you what tv show or movie is fancy and do advertisement for it. Then you consume it - you try if it was good enough and if not, you forget about it. Streaming is "economy-of-scale" applied to home cinema resulting in consumerisation and commoditization. What about you want some title that is not in the providers catalog? Welcome to streaming wars, please pay more. How about a BD title which isnt available to stream anywhere?

With discs or suggested legal disc download service, the owner who pays for the disc, owns the copy forever and nobody can remove it from his own home library. He is given the right to select which title he will purchase ( freedom of choice ). Yes, you need local storage, but this is because if you watch Frozen II UHD 60GB disc 450x in a year, you wont kill your local ISP and you leave bandwith for Disneyplus folks who do this .

To answer the question related to format. If there would be legal digital downloads for movies in BD or UHD format ( no additional compression ), studios dont have stick to BD 50-66-100-128GB limitations of the discs. They can ( it is cheaper - the master is available already ), but they dont have to. Hope this explains what I meant in my previous post.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Admiral

You are basically making the same point in 1-4.

not at all
1 was risk: it is mathematical what is the likely hood of my films being stolen, burned or (to put it differently) the digital service provider will be around for ever and continue offering all the movies you have purchased?

2 was control : it affects risk but it is psychological. Let's say Joe has a place where there are constant break ins or fires the basic chances that his physical collection will disappear is high, if that collection is valuable in his eyes Joe can , for example buy a large fireproof safe and put his films in it and bring the chances to where he is comfortable. some people here are not comfortable lending movies to family and friends. I don't have an issue with it, for me there are 4 people that have let me down and it is "no you can't borrow it" while everyone else is "OK".

3 was scope. it does not look at risk at all, it assumes that it actually happens and give a pseudo mathematical answer. i.e. if Anthony's house burns down how many will lose their collection? the answer is 5 and no one else on this forum. If Vudu were to close how many would lose their collection, a lot of people and many on this forum.

4) like 3 risk is irrelevant it assumes it did happen but it is psychological. was the initial though of anyone who 's house burned down "what happened to my film collection" or "is everyone OK, where do we go now, what a pain it will be to deal with insurance...) how about when people heard cinemanow was shutting down?

This argument assumes that all digital providers are equal, which is not the case.

not at all.

In my part of the world there is no Vudu or Movies Anywhere, only iTunes Google Play. I use iTunes and have done for the past 12 years. Are Apple going to disappear tomorrow? Anything is possible, but I don't think anyone would bet money on it. Could Apple close iTunes and withhold access to my digital collection? Yes absolutely. What are the chances that they would do that? I would bet there's more chance of your house burning down.

and in my part of the world once upon a time Dunkin's was the donut place, Steinberg was the supermarket king, Radio Shack was where people went for electronics and Eaton's was the big department store none of them are around any more. How many large companies doing business in your part of the world have been around for the last 100 years and do any of them still offer all the same services as they did when they first opened?

As for providers removing content, at least with iTunes, the content is only removed from sale. It is not removed from the users collection if purchased.

sorry to bust your bubble but do some searching on-line. Plenty of people have lost content they have bought on -tunes it is "explained" on their FAQ

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Plutotype

The biggest advantage of streaming subscription is instant access to the content in a relatively good quality. You receive a tv show recommendation from your friend and in the same second you can press play on your laptop or TV app. This is also technically possible with BD/UHD disc streaming ( no additional compression ), but current internet bandwith is not ready yet. In a fact, stable 150Mbit internet connection is sufficient for this. Recent Netflix servers can do 200Gb/s and future streaming HW will be able to do even more ( check 800Gb/s networking ).

I think in this example Netflix would prefer to have increased server overhead then pushing higher Mbps for a huge subscriber base. I am sure the current streaming methods reviewed by the hosts are likely sufficient for the consumer base.

This would also see other providers question raising transfer rates per session as being good for various ISP management. If the EU can request that Netflix, Disney+ and others drop their speed 25% for covid-19 time period, there are obvious concerns with internet capacity presently.

We have problems with ISP's and data caps all over the states. Netflix as used by your example would probably be throttled to prevent it hogging too much bandwidth.

Comparably its better to provide physical media to the select customers that would want something better IMHO.

If you ask Netflix management they probably recognize that their service and physical media are complementary not competitive which is usually the basis of like discussions.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Plutotype

To answer the question related to format. If there would be legal digital downloads for movies in BD or UHD format ( no additional compression ), studios dont have stick to BD 50-66-100-128GB limitations of the discs. They can ( it is cheaper - the master is available already ), but they dont have to. Hope this explains what I meant in my previous post.

That's not how it works, the studios supply Vudu, iTunes, Kaleidescape, etc. with a master distribution file(s), most probable one of the Apple ProRes versions, then they (streamer/downloader) create the files used for streaming and/or downloading.

[gotmule]

Don’t know if this has been shared yet, so apologize if it has or if this causes mass hysteria.

https://screencrush.com/watch-hbo-ne...heater-scener/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Don’t know if this has been shared yet, so apologize if it has or if this causes mass hysteria.

https://screencrush.com/watch-hbo-ne...heater-scener/

That sounds ******* horrific.

[bhampton]

I've only done one Video chat with friends so far during quarantine.

My kids have Zoom meetings for most classes.

I find it so fatiguing. I really don't like it.

Maybe it's the new thing.... If so I have no use for it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I've only done one Video chat with friends so far during quarantine.

My kids have Zoom meetings for most classes.

I find it so fatiguing. I really don't like it.

Maybe it's the new thing.... If so I have no use for it.

This isn’t for movie fans imo. No self respecting movie fan would be happy talking while watching a film. It’s bollocks.

[Steedeel]

Next time Alchav and his cronies get excited about digital, they should read that link.

[sapiendut]

He won’t. Or if he does, he will start making excuses and/or twist the article.

[JohnAV]

Guess streaming isn't for everyone

Disney streaming chief Kevin Mayer resigns to become TikTok CEO - TheVerge - 5/18/20

Mayer’s biggest achievement at Disney was leading the development of Disney Plus, the company’s streaming service that launched in November. So far, the service has been a hit, reaching 50 million subscribers in April. Mayer also helped orchestrate Disney’s four major acquisitions alongside former CEO Bob Iger: Pixar, Lucasfilm, Marvel Studios, and 21st Century Fox. Some believed that Mayer would someday take over the top job at Disney, but when Iger announced his successor in February, it wasn’t Mayer who got the nod — instead, it was Chapek, who was formerly head of Disney’s theme parks.

In his new role at TikTok, Mayer will have the tough job of shepherding one of the most popular apps around and keeping it competitive against other social media giants like Facebook and Snapchat

Mayer’s role at Disney will be taken over by Rebecca Campbell, who has been named chairman of Disney’s direct-to-consumer efforts.

Must be the money.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Guess streaming isn't for everyone

Disney streaming chief Kevin Mayer resigns to become TikTok CEO - TheVerge - 5/18/20



Must be the money.

Another (in my opinion) morally corrupt social media company. It’s got to be about the money like you say.