Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[captveg]

Originally Posted by chip75

One was cinematic symbolism, the other was literal. Haven't seen the movie for a while.

Snyder's JL also clarifies in dialogue that the only reason the league can resurrect Superman with the motherbox+speedforce energy is because he has the codex in his DNA. The theatrical cut omitted this because aside from the larger plot point of Superman being dead the WB execs wanted as little callbacks to MoS/BvS as possible.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by JEArgumedo

I mean, Flashpoint is still moving forward (or at least was before the pandemic).

There's no indication that the current screenplay for The Flash that Muschietti is involved with has anything to do with Flashpoint, though. Nobody knows publicly what story idea he's moving forward with.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

My favorite character of BvS (Batman) who was such a bad arse in that movie becomes a punchline in JL. 'Oh, yeah, something is definitely bleeding', and 'I'm rich'.
******* rubbish.

"Bleeding" is Whedon's.

"I'm Rich" is Snyder's (was in the Comic Con 2016 trailer), so that's likely to remain. Batman's humor in Snyder's version is much more measured and sardonic, such as the cut-from-theatrical "I'm real when it's useful" line.

[JEArgumedo]

Originally Posted by captveg

There's no indication that the current screenplay for The Flash that Muschietti is involved with has anything to do with Flashpoint, though. Nobody knows publicly what story idea he's moving forward with.

It might have a little to do with Flashpoint. https://theplaylist.net/andy-muschie...oint-20200109/

[morphinapg]

I am certain that those claims that only 25% of the movie are Snyder are complete BS. Just watch the movie, you can spot Snyder shots. They're more grainy. Whedon sticks a lot of smaller additions in scenes, and filmed a few full new scenes, but most scenes in the movie are majority Snyder.

Now, what Snyder COULD be accurate about by saying 25% of what he did ended up in the movie, is that most movies film way more footage than they ever would include in the final edit. So it's not that 25% of the movie is Snyder, it's just that the majority of the movie that is Snyder, still only represents about 25% of the content Snyder filmed. That being said, if Snyder had completed the theatrical cut of the movie, that number wouldn't likely have been a whole lot higher.

[wildphantom]

Those that worked on it, and even the DP, said barely any of what they did was in the final released movie. I'm going to take their word for it, but we'll see.

Regardless, if this Snyder version is really well received it absolutely could reignite the DCEU and pave the way for him to finish the arc he'd planned over several films. Most of all, I really want that sequel to Man of Steel.

I think the last couple of years have proved that audiences can happily go and see movies with the same characters but different interpretations in close proximity. We could see DCEU stuff, alongside standalone fare a la The Batman, Joker etc. WB could even exclusively put Snyder DCEU features on HBO Max. Even let him make Mandalorian quality series out of them - who knows!

[captveg]

Originally Posted by JEArgumedo

It might have a little to do with Flashpoint. https://theplaylist.net/andy-muschie...oint-20200109/

Interesting. Thanks.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

I am certain that those claims that only 25% of the movie are Snyder are complete BS. Just watch the movie, you can spot Snyder shots. They're more grainy. Whedon sticks a lot of smaller additions in scenes, and filmed a few full new scenes, but most scenes in the movie are majority Snyder.

Now, what Snyder COULD be accurate about by saying 25% of what he did ended up in the movie, is that most movies film way more footage than they ever would include in the final edit. So it's not that 25% of the movie is Snyder, it's just that the majority of the movie that is Snyder, still only represents about 25% of the content Snyder filmed. That being said, if Snyder had completed the theatrical cut of the movie, that number wouldn't likely have been a whole lot higher.

Read through this and tell me the theatrical is not 75% reshoots. That may even be an underestimation. There's not a single scene that wasn't altered or reshot.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...tk/mobilebasic

And this is only what has been gleaned from a drip feed of info from Snyder and others, as there are gaps remaining in how some of it fits together. It's a radically different film.

[joenostalgia23]

Snyder claims he hasn’t even seen the film so 1/4 is just an estimate. However it’s also important to remember that even in footage that Snyder shot which made the final cut, Whedon made adjustments.

When Bruce meets Barry, Whedon write new dialogue that is inserted into the conversation. Also in the background, there is a K-Pop music video playing that you can hear in the background noise, in Snyder’s version it’s an episode of Rick and Morty but muted.

Superman’s resurrection and the fight following it has been re-color timed to look like it takes place in the morning. Original trailers had it looking more like it was at dawn or dusk. Also the fight is full of Whedon additions. “KAL-EL NO!!! YOU ARE THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON!” “Oh yeah... somethings definitely bleeding...” 🤢

The final battle in Chernobyl has a red cast over the entire scene, Snyder’s version would’ve been a dark blue sky. So even though it’s footage Snyder shot, it would look completely different.

There are also rumors that Snyder wants to revert Steppenwolf to his original design, which you can see in Batman v Superman. Early concepts had him looking much more alien and less like a human wearing armor. That would change his look in every scene, including a shot that was originally of Darkseid, before he was replaced with Steppenwolf’s character model.

So even when we see footage we already saw in JL17, it will be edited differently, have different visual effects, different color correction, different music, even some different dialogue.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by captveg

Read through this and tell me the theatrical is not 75% reshoots. That may even be an underestimation. There's not a single scene that wasn't altered or reshot.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...tk/mobilebasic

And this is only what has been gleaned from a drip feed of info from Snyder and others, as there are gaps remaining in how some of it fits together. It's a radically different film.

I already said Whedon inserted reshot footage into most scenes.small stuff here and there.while yes it alters the feel of the scene, and in many cases alters the context of the scene so it could be reordered without breaking the story, the scene itself is usually still overwhelmingly Snyder's. There are very few scenes in the movie that are majority Whedon footage.

[wildphantom]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Snyder claims he hasn’t even seen the film so 1/4 is just an estimate. However it’s also important to remember that even in footage that Snyder shot which made the final cut, Whedon made adjustments.

When Bruce meets Barry, Whedon write new dialogue that is inserted into the conversation. Also in the background, there is a K-Pop music video playing that you can hear in the background noise, in Snyder’s version it’s an episode of Rick and Morty but muted.

Superman’s resurrection and the fight following it has been re-color timed to look like it takes place in the morning. Original trailers had it looking more like it was at dawn or dusk. Also the fight is full of Whedon additions. “KAL-EL NO!!! YOU ARE THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON!” “Oh yeah... somethings definitely bleeding...” 🤢

The final battle in Chernobyl has a red cast over the entire scene, Snyder’s version would’ve been a dark blue sky. So even though it’s footage Snyder shot, it would look completely different.

There are also rumors that Snyder wants to revert Steppenwolf to his original design, which you can see in Batman v Superman. Early concepts had him looking much more alien and less like a human wearing armor. That would change his look in every scene, including a shot that was originally of Darkseid, before he was replaced with Steppenwolf’s character model.

So even when we see footage we already saw in JL17, it will be edited differently, have different visual effects, different color correction, different music, even some different dialogue.

Steppenwolf's look and execution in what we got was an abomination. Summed up the entire enterprise that was Warner's reworking of the film once Snyder left.

[WorkShed]

I'm also looking forward to fixing a lot of the weird errors they had like making the Wayne hanger connected magically to the Batcave.

[newtonp01]

So if they're using only principal photography, does that mean no more CGI-stache?

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by newtonp01

So if they're using only principal photography, does that mean no more CGI-stache?

Yeah, Superman's CGI-stache came from Joss Whedon's reshoots, since Cavill wasn't allowed to shave his beard while shooting Mission: Impossible Fallout.

[Platitude]

My main hope for this that it gets us a proper Man of Steel sequel. With or without Snyder, I just want more Cavill and that incredible score by Zimmer.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Platitude

My main hope for this that it gets us a proper Man of Steel sequel.

It won't.

[pbz06]

What if the Snyder cut ends up sucking more? =X

[rocklobster]

Originally Posted by pbz06

What if the Snyder cut ends up sucking more? =X

While it is certainly possible, it would be surprising if it did considering how bad the theatrical version of JL is/was.

My opinion is that the *absolute worst* this can be is exactly as bad as the Whedon JL. There is a far likelier chance that this version is better (and I say that as someone who has time & time again mentioned that I'm not all that big on ZS movies)

[Member-425016]

I never understood the praise for Joss Whedon. Yes, his Buffy series was well written, but look at the writers attached to his team. First Avengers film was decent, second one was terrible. I don't get it.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Filmfan73

I never understood the praise for Joss Whedon. Yes, his Buffy series was well written, but look at the writers attached to his team. First Avengers film was decent, second one was terrible. I don't get it.

It's difficult to remember now, but Whedon really felt like a fresh voice in the early-to-mid-2000s. He did put together a great team that made him look even better, but that's the case with almost any good TV creator.

And getting a major feature film made that acted as a continuation, reintroduction, and (as it turned out) finale to a TV series that lasted less than a full season was no small feat.

I admit his style has gotten stale, but he did some good work for a while there.