Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Apple's Next Big Thing: Live Concert Streaming - SeekingAlpha - 6/3



As Netflix has a huge presence with comedy, what service might take this one on. The author thinks Apple might be a good match, as they have a close mingling with the recording studios. Yeah at their company events they always have music artists performing.



I myself love Blu-ray concerts, but I never seen the releases ever even come a scant bit close to all the music videos being released all the time. At best if you are into this, you hunt though YouTube to see if one go your favorites content in available.

Don’t know if you have seen this but it is a cool insight into how much work went into bringing this iconic 1991 concert to the theaters and then the home video market. Definitely on Pre-order for me as it captured this band at their peak...and should be damn cool on the system.

You may have to X out of the annoying ads at the bottom to see how they did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgT...ature=youtu.be

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He says himself that he is no expert on this subject; read your own quote, sunshine.

"I’m no expert on the theatrical vs. streaming channels (I’m not sure anyone is)"

He disqualified himself right there.

I am sure that he knows about some topics, but by his own admission this is not one of them. He needs to stick to what he does know.

To compound matters, he ASSumes that because he is no expert, that there likely are not any in existence. That's some real arrogance right there.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

There are few online that have extensive background with streaming industry vs theatrical business. Even in this thread we have our opinions based on our limited exposures to this topic.

Yes Vilya is real quick to jump on anything to discredit the information, but when it comes to the Movie Industry the Experts are fading away. I think it's going to be a whole new way for our beloved Theatrical Experience. Here is the latest information about AMC from John Campea:

AMC Theatres Say They Doubt They Can Stay In Business - YouTube

I feel the Home Theater is going to take on a new meaning and challenge. Cinemas will remain, but I think fewer with many amenities like Reclining Lounge Chairs, Dinners, and Cocktails.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes Vilya is real quick to jump on anything to discredit the information, but when it comes to the Movie Industry the Experts are fading away. I think it's going to be a whole new way for our beloved Theatrical Experience. Here is the latest information about AMC from John Campea:

AMC Theatres Say They Doubt They Can Stay In Business - YouTube

I feel the Home Theater is going to take on a new meaning and challenge. Cinemas will remain, but I think fewer with many amenities like Reclining Lounge Chairs, Dinners, and Cocktails.

Do you have any reading comprehension at all? I know that you can't understand why a 9 year-old would have a different reaction to a movie than an adult, but when someone tells you that they are no expert: believe them!

The author said himself that he was no expert. Worse still, he said there were likely no experts at all. His first statement is true; the author is no expert, but there are many who are and their work is found in numerous trade publications that any grade school student who knows how to use Google can access.

All industries track every cent that they make from every product and every service that they offer. This practice is central to any industry and it is not "fading away." Of course, I suppose that we could dispense with collecting all of this information and just send you to Walmart to accost more random shoppers?

[Vilya]

Most of you are overlooking the real news here today: the acquisition of my 4,000th blu-ray.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Apple's Next Big Thing: Live Concert Streaming - SeekingAlpha - 6/3


As Netflix has a huge presence with comedy, what service might take this one on. The author thinks Apple might be a good match, as they have a close mingling with the recording studios. Yeah at their company events they always have music artists performing.

I myself love Blu-ray concerts, but I never seen the releases ever even come a scant bit close to all the music videos being released all the time. At best if you are into this, you hunt though YouTube to see if one go your favorites content in available.

I am all for access to more music concerts, but streaming needs to offer lossless audio if they are going to be their primary distributor.

Seeing as most streaming customers already think that everything looks and sounds "Fantastic!" via their inexpensive headphones, soundbars, hell, even just the TV's built-in speakers, I doubt that we will ever hear lossless audio from any streaming provider.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Do you have any reading comprehension at all? I know that you can't understand why a 9 year-old would have a different reaction to a movie than an adult, but when someone tells you that they are no expert: believe them!

The author said himself that he was no expert. Worse still, he said there were likely no experts at all. His first statement is true; the author is no expert, but there are many who are and their work is found in numerous trade publications that any grade school student who knows how to use Google can access.

All industries track every cent that they make from every product and every service that they offer. This practice is central to any industry and it is not "fading away." Of course, I suppose that we could dispense with collecting all of this information and just send you to Walmart to accost random shoppers?

The guy in the article John linked also seems to ignore the creative, talented people involved with filmmaking. Why would we just get Oscar bait and straight to streaming crap? These services need good content after all.

Heck, films can be shot with IPhones these days. I watched Unsane projected and it wasn’t nearly as bad as some were claiming. Those phones hs e come on leaps and bounds since then also. Unsane cost 1.5 million. It made a decent amount of money.

Is that the way I want all films shot? Of course not, but the outdoor scenes looked 4K and interior shots will improve as the tech does. The point is, good films can be made on the cheap, they don’t have to be straight to DVD fare.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here is the latest information about AMC from John Campea

I saw that earlier posted by CNN. AMC has a over extended itself financially by quite a bit, thats no secret, but they still have a marketable product that could approach previous covid-19 activity in a few months. At this time I just generally dislike people wishing the revenue means of Hollywood would crumble. As that article that Vilya over reacted to, its author was clearly pointing out without substantial revenue generation for Hollywood our hobby could be in jeopardy. It also would have a ripple effect with streaming, because streaming is being propped up by that same revenue.

AMC, the largest U.S. chain, said it has enough cash to reopen its theaters this summer as planned. But if it’s not allowed to reopen, it will need more money, which it may not be able to borrow. Film delays are another concern. AMC noted that people may be afraid to go to theaters, but hopes the desire for social distancing is temporary and that people will want to go to the movies again.

“Due to these factors, substantial doubt exists about our ability to continue as a going concern for a reasonable period of time,” AMC wrote in a regulatory filing. The publicly traded company, controlled by Chinese conglomerate Dalian Wanda, has 1,000 theaters in the U.S. and Europe.

Source

So its being blunt that it needs to be allowed to open with this news, its not saying everything is lost which some marketplace mouthpieces are repeating all over the place.

The coronavirus pandemic threw many businesses into financial doubt, and we are not out of this yet, but lets think positively rather then wishing the worse, which will just cascade IMHO.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The guy in the article John linked also seems to ignore the creative, talented people involved with filmmaking. Why would we just get Oscar bait and straight to streaming crap? These services need good content after all.

If you remove the megabucks and we were just making content for streaming, what would the quality be like comparably? Would people leave the entertainment industry if you could no longer create as much content. Could the streaming hosts afford to produce the level of content that we have now?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am all for access to more music concerts, but streaming needs to offer lossless audio if they are going to be their primary distributor.

Seeing as most streaming customers already think that everything looks and sounds "Fantastic!" via their inexpensive headphones, soundbars, hell, even just the TV's built-in speakers, I doubt that we will ever hear lossless audio from any streaming provider.

That would be media centric, not streaming. What music, musical concert service offers lossless audio?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I saw that earlier posted by CNN. AMC has a over extended itself financially by quite a bit, thats no secret, but they still have a marketable product that could approach previous covid-19 activity in a few months. At this time I just generally dislike people wishing the revenue means of Hollywood would crumble. As that article that Vilya over reacted to, its author was clearly pointing out without substantial revenue generation for Hollywood our hobby could be in jeopardy. It also would have a ripple effect with streaming, because streaming is being propped up by that same revenue.

. Source

So its being blunt that it needs to be allowed to open with this news, its not saying everything is lost which some marketplace mouthpieces are repeating all over the place.

The coronavirus pandemic threw many businesses into financial doubt, and we are not out of this yet, but lets think positively rather then wishing the worse, which will just cascade IMHO.

Just because you disliked my reply doesn't make it an overreaction. The author said himself that he did not know what he was talking about and that likely no one else did, either. He wasn't satisfied with just discrediting himself; he had to discredit everybody else, too.

When the author tells you right at the start that they are no expert, why shouldn't that part of their article be believed? You certainly had no problem swallowing everything else that he spoon fed you.

The far deadlier 1918 pandemic did not end any form of popular public entertainment. The current pandemic won't, either.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I saw that earlier posted by CNN. AMC has a over extended itself financially by quite a bit, thats no secret, but they still have a marketable product that could approach previous covid-19 activity in a few months. At this time I just generally dislike people wishing the revenue means of Hollywood would crumble. As that article that Vilya over reacted to, its author was clearly pointing out without substantial revenue generation for Hollywood our hobby could be in jeopardy. It also would have a ripple effect with streaming, because streaming is being propped up by that same revenue.

Source

So its being blunt that it needs to be allowed to open with this news, its not saying everything is lost which some marketplace mouthpieces are repeating all over the place.

The coronavirus pandemic threw many businesses into financial doubt, and we are not out of this yet, but lets think positively rather then wishing the worse, which will just cascade IMHO.

So one hand you are being positive but on the other, you are pointing out that the theatrical AND streaming market could be over. Judging by that article?

Way to go!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Most of you are overlooking the real news here today: the acquisition of my 4,000th blu-ray.

eh, you hardly watch what you got!

Now if you gave some away then I would think more of you.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

That would be media centric, not streaming. What music, musical concert service offers lossless audio?

I am not aware of any streaming service that offers lossless audio for any content whatsoever. It is not just a matter of being "media centric"; many movies and TV shows have lossless audio tracks, but streaming squashes them all into lossy ones. They will do the same with concert recordings.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

eh, you hardly watch what you got!

Now if you gave some away then I would think more of you.

I watch about 4-5 hours worth almost every evening, sometimes even more. Retirement lets you do that.

I do donate some of my duplicates when I upgrade a title assuming there is nothing special about the older edition.

The whole reason why I finally made an effort to redeem my digital codes was so that I could share that content with friends; all of whom are practicing appropriate social distancing.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Most of you are overlooking the real news here today: the acquisition of my 4,000th blu-ray.

Good luck on that new room addition.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If you remove the megabucks and we were just making content for streaming, what would the quality be like comparably? Would people leave the entertainment industry if you could no longer create as much content. Could the streaming hosts afford to produce the level of content that we have now?

With ads? Sure they could. Netflix and Disney will go that route.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

With ads? Sure they could. Netflix and Disney will go that route.

You really want to go back to ads?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You really want to go back to ads?

As he doesn't stream much, if at all, I doubt that he cares.

Amazon Prime streaming plants trailers before a selected title starts; that's advertising. Hulu offers a discounted ad supported plan. There are many free streaming services like Tubi that are ad supported. The question is more will ads spread than will they return; they are already here in many instances.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Good luck on that new room addition.

I seen companies with these being couple of stories high.

Kardex Remstar VSR | Vertical Storage Carousels | Megastar Megastation - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You really want to go back to ads?

Irrelevant what I want. Disney+ is expected to top 100 million customers in the next couple of years. That’s 5 BILLION per year. Enough to keep them in big tv productions wouldn't you say? Add to that, ads for them and Netflix?
You are imagining old fashioned cable ads, that’s not what we would see here. Modern audiences won’t tolerate it.