Star Wars: The Phantom Menace 4K Steelbook (Zavvi Exclusive) (UK)

[El Rey]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

I can't wait to order Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. I am imaging Sith will sell out FAST. No matter how much some some want to claim otherwise ROTS is consistently named one of the most popular Star Wars movies along with Empire

huh? do you have anything to cite here?

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by El Rey

huh? do you have anything to cite here?

It is a OPINION, and yes google it! I have seen countless opinion polls of FANS where Sith is constant FAN rankings where Sith is mostly amongst the top 3, many times just below empire and some have it above. The critics who down Sith are Kathleen Kennedy apologists and can go to hell for all I care. I can guarantee that Sith will sell out fast if the steelbook is attractive, with as much as I love Empire and I ordered the steelbook I don't know why they didn't go with the poster art which is why it did not sell out as fast as Jedi and ANH.

[El Rey]

Everyone has a right to their subjective opinion but the best that I have ever seen is hat Sith is the best of the PT, which is faint praise. I like RotS and have been a member of lots of Star Wars collecting boards and I am not seeing the same kind of acclaim you are
That said, I am sure Clones and Sith will more than likely sell at the same rate of everything else that came before it, unless somehow they currently botch the artwork.

[kinkyqueen]

Sith is the best of the PT only because it's the least childish of the three

For me it's

ROGUE ONE
EMPIRE
JEDI
HOPE
AWAKENS
RISE
SOLO
SITH
TLJ
CLONES
PHANTOM

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by El Rey

Everyone has a right to their subjective opinion but the best that I have ever seen is hat Sith is the best of the PT, which is faint praise. I like RotS and have been a member of lots of Star Wars collecting boards and I am not seeing the same kind of acclaim you are
That said, I am sure Clones and Sith will more than likely sell at the same rate of everything else that came before it, unless somehow they currently botch the artwork.

That's because you listen to the Disney and Kathleen Kennedy apologists. As you said it's subjective so I wont debate. The notion that people hate the PT is a complete myth though. See Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker reception. FYI do a search on ebay for Sequel trilogy collectibles and Prequel collectibles you'll see what I mean. The Anakin Skywalker Revenge of the Sith Hot Toys figure which came in two variants is now selling close to $700! Collectibles for the sequels not so much.

[EricDra7en]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

As you said it's subjective so I wont debate. The notion that people hate the PT is a complete myth though. See...

“I won’t debate, now let me debate.” Everyone has a valid opinion, not just you. The phrase “Kathleen Kennedy apologists“ immediately discredits anything else a person says to me. More importantly, if you want to be taken seriously, maybe stop saying ridiculous things like “Kathleen Kennedy apologists can go to hell”. What a horrible, toxic fandom.

No one person is responsible for anything Star Wars related anymore, not even George Lucas. It’s grown beyond one person’s influence. As a child of 77, I’ve watched Star Wars grow and expand and I love that it’s for more people than just me. Star Wars is not yours. It’s everyone’s.

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by EricDra7en

“I won’t debate, now let me debate.” Everyone has a valid opinion, not just you. The phrase “Kathleen Kennedy apologists“ immediately discredits anything else a person says to me. More importantly, if you want to be taken seriously, maybe stop saying ridiculous things like “Kathleen Kennedy apologists can go to hell”. What a horrible, toxic fandom.

No one person is responsible for anything Star Wars related anymore, not even George Lucas. It’s grown beyond one person’s influence. As a child of 77, I’ve watched Star Wars grow and expand and I love that it’s for more people than just me. Star Wars is not yours. It’s everyone’s.

That's rich coming from the same people that endlessly bashed a generation who have grown up to love the prequels. I'm in 40's and I have seen fans berate others for loving the prequels. I also despise many of the older fans made it their mission to bash the prequels and tell younger fans they are stupid for liking the prequels. When you have fathers who berate their children for liking Jar Jar or thinking Yoda with a lightsaber is cool, that is the time when you should have your parental rights stripped if that bothers you. I have a minority opinion but I more respect Last Jedi for takings risks unlike JJ who made a lazy remake of the original Star Wars. Right off the bat what got me was that there was no effort made to tell me how did we get to this point where at the end of Return of the Jedi we see a celebration free from oppression and tyranny, and then we are back at square one. I would have loved if there was more background on why Luke went into hiding show the downfall of Luke's new jedi order. Show me why Luke is jaded. Kathleen Kennedy essentially spat in the face of George Lucas for a cash grab which Disney had the right to make what they wanted to make. Actually when I watch 7-9 I watch them as their own separate entity from 1-6 because they don't fit. I personally would have LOVED if Lucas completed his vision and oversaw the making of the sequels

FYI here are various fan polls on the movies lowest I saw Sith was ranked was 4th but here are the links

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01...om-ign-readers


http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/zwxfz...ars-films/view

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/...ised.50053873/

https://www.starwars.com/news/poll-w...tar-wars-movie

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...tar-wars-movie

[DioramaMaker]

Hmmm.

Empire>ANH>ROTJ/RO>ROTS/TFA>TPM/TLJ>ATOC>ROS

[InBruges]

people can feel what they want about any of these movies. to each their own. ROTS is my favorite & i grew up as a kid watching the OT religiously. it had what i always wanted in a Star Wars movie. all out action & multiple lightsaber duels. more than i expected. the trailers for it were really good as well & got me hyped & didnt disappoint. i felt the emotion was in there just as much as Empire. which is my 2nd favorite. no movie is perfect though. minority as well i really like TFA. my bottom two are AOTC & TPM. too bad Maul was off the prequels after that. i would have had him live & have Dooku's parts in the other two with some changes to make it work. fan of Mr. Lee but Dooku wasnt all that great tbh. i cant believe Lucas said if he knew Maul would be so popular he wouldnt have done that. i thought it was obvious he was gonna be super popular just by seeing the first pic of him. many thought he would be the Vader of the PT up until Anakin was turned.

[Jezza]

The key difference now compared with just 4-5 years ago is that the PT generation has grown up and now has an online voice to share their experience with Star Wars from the late-90s/early-2000s. They're saying about how their Star Wars is the PT, having been told for years how they're 'wrong' for liking them. So it's little wonder they're now making stand for them and is it little wonder that the most exciting and fulfilling one, that being Sith, now ranks much more highly than it has done in the past.
Not to mention I'm pretty sure the majority of the PT generation also grew up watching the OT, even though they didn't get the original theatrical experience, there's an argument to be made they're in a very strong position to judge the quality of the Lucas-era films without any bias attached to one trilogy or the other.

Plus, I'd wager since a lot of time has passed since the PT that much reflection has been given to them by some of the OT generation. Certainly over the past few years I've noticed an easing up of negative opinions and a greater appreciation for what Lucas was, at least, attempting to achieve.

[rickah88]

Oh yay, SW list time! Well here’s mine:

1) All SW films.

[Porco Azzurro]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Oh yay, SW list time! Well here’s mine:

1) All SW films.

That's remarkably similar to my own list!

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by Jezza

Plus, I'd wager since a lot of time has passed since the PT that much reflection has been given to them by some of the OT generation. Certainly over the past few years I've noticed an easing up of negative opinions and a greater appreciation for what Lucas was, at least, attempting to achieve.

This is very true. I was THE walking stereotype of a "prequel hater" for a long, long time... I grew up with the original trilogy and was 6, 9 and 12 respectively when those original movies hit theaters. So that means I was 28 in 1999 when PHANTOM MENACE hit; at the height of my art-house pretentiousness, just three years into my Hollywood cinematography career, trying to shed "childish" things, blah blah blah. Absolutely detested PHANTOM MENACE... actually kinda liked ATTACK OF THE CLONES (ironically; and it's still my fave of the prequels; go figure)... and then suuuper detested REVENGE OF THE SITH because of everything I thought it did wrong. Like my opinion matters, lol.

I lived with this weird seething hatred for the prequels for over a decade ("weird" because they're just movies; I mean, what the hell??)... and then something weirder happened. The first full trailer for FORCE AWAKENS arrived in March 2015, revealing the crashed Star Destroyer on Jakku. Suddenly I wanted everything and anything STAR WARS. I was working a gig in Las Vegas when the trailer dropped online; so I drove back to L.A. from that gig and stopped at Fry's Electronics before I even got home, to pick up the "trilogy" Blu-ray set of the prequels with Yoda on the cover. Got home, admittedly had some Jack Daniels, and actually enjoyed the prequels for the first time in my life -- in 2015.

At that moment I simply "got over myself" and realized that the key (for me) to enjoying these movies is just to "let go my conscious self" and allow myself to be transported; allow myself to be told a rip-roarin' fairy tale. I learned to appreciate the prequels for what they ARE instead of what I wanted them to be. And I learned to appreciate the intention rather than criticize the execution (like Jar Jar; even HE becomes tolerable when one realizes he's the Kurosawa "peasant" character -- the audience's eyes into the high-and-mighty world of the Jedi. I mean, those peasant characters in SEVEN SAMURAI and HIDDEN FORTRESS were wayyyy over the top, too).

Anyhoo... I'm now in the camp that believes "all STAR WARS is good STAR WARS". I just have fun with it; all of it. And weirdest of all... I think I'm actually a happier person overall, having "let go the hate" I used to stupidly carry around for these prequels. Life's too short; just enjoy stuff. Pew pew pew. May the Force be with you.

[Steelhooks]

ROTS is the “best” of the prequels with a few strange editing choices thrown in here and there and TPM feels most like a SW film with few other redeeming qualities.

[El Rey]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

That's because you listen to the Disney and Kathleen Kennedy apologists. As you said it's subjective so I wont debate. The notion that people hate the PT is a complete myth though. See Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker reception. FYI do a search on ebay for Sequel trilogy collectibles and Prequel collectibles you'll see what I mean. The Anakin Skywalker Revenge of the Sith Hot Toys figure which came in two variants is now selling close to $700! Collectibles for the sequels not so much.

No I don't

I didn't say people hate the PT

I was simply asking for some, any kind of citation to your assertion that ROTS is one of the most popular SW movies. In all my years of collecting and following SW fandom, across many forums, events, social media, etc., this is something I have never seen/heard. I already said I like ROTS
Even though you didn't come to debate, your "argument" is unfocused and all over the place, in an attempt to justify your claim.

[mogwai_macabre]

Originally Posted by El Rey

No I don't

I didn't say people hate the PT

I was simply asking for some, any kind of citation to your assertion that ROTS is one of the most popular SW movies. In all my years of collecting and following SW fandom, across many forums, events, social media, etc., this is something I have never seen/heard. I already said I like ROTS
Even though you didn't come to debate, your "argument" is unfocused and all over the place, in an attempt to justify your claim.

Probably shouldn't jump in on this argument, but I will say that the general consensus on Reddit is that the prequels are very well liked especially Revenge of the Sith. They are enjoyed both ironically and unironically on the site. Reddit definitely skews towards a younger demographic, people who likely grew up watching the prequels. Probably a much younger demographic than you'd find here.

Respect for the prequels also seems to have surged with the backlash of the sequels. And The Clone Wars show is highly regarded on Reddit as some of the best post-OT content, which takes place between movies 2 and 3.

I'm not going to dig up links and sources, that's just my takeaway from reading threads over the last few years. It's an enormous user base so obviously not everyone on the site feels the same way.

[Danny519]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Oh yay, SW list time! Well here’s mine:

1) All SW films.

Dam that’s a hot take
I love all Star Wars and the clone wars tv show is the greatest form of Star Wars.
3>5>7>6>4>Solo>9>RO>2>1>8

[mrp1978]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

That's because you listen to the Disney and Kathleen Kennedy apologists. As you said it's subjective so I wont debate. The notion that people hate the PT is a complete myth though. See Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker reception. FYI do a search on ebay for Sequel trilogy collectibles and Prequel collectibles you'll see what I mean. The Anakin Skywalker Revenge of the Sith Hot Toys figure which came in two variants is now selling close to $700! Collectibles for the sequels not so much.

Ultimately time is the big factor here. Lots of people loved the prequels when they came out, lots of people loudly disliked the prequels when they came out. Now, decades later, most people feel pretty relaxed about the prequels. Time heals wounds and brings perspective. The prequels now seem to be largely seen as interesting, quirky, odd, significantly flawed films. I don't think they are great films, I am not sure I think they are good films. But I love them. They are unique, and all the more interesting for the way they are George Lucas' unfiltered vision in all its grand, glorious, thoughtful, silly, insightful, awkward weirdness. I have loved seeing how the internet has come to embrace the prequels and their charming eccentricity, but I am not sure the love isn't at least semi-ironic. Which is probably about right.

The sequels are still fresh. People have not calmed down. Time has not put things in perspective. But that will come. I suspect the general consensus as to quality won't eventually end up too far from the prequels. In some ways the two trilogies are the polar opposites of one another - one full of interesting, ambitious ideas, but often clunky and awkward on a scene by scene basis, while the other churns out plenty of competently made individual scenes, but is perhaps rather lacking in ambition and purpose.

You can't really compare how people feel about the prequels now with how people feel about the sequels. You're comparing apples and oranges. Passions still run hot for the one trilogy. For the other, that ship has sailed. People are a little wiser about the prequels than they are the sequels. Even people who loathe the prequels have at least come to terms with their existence by this point. Probably. People who hate the sequels still REALLY hate the sequels and can't see a discussion of Star Wars without feeling the need to demonstrate their hatred, but that will change.

That's what I think anyway. I have fun watching them all.

[cyclorama]

Originally Posted by mogwai_macabre

Probably shouldn't jump in on this argument, but I will say that the general consensus on Reddit is that the prequels are very well liked especially Revenge of the Sith. They are enjoyed both ironically and unironically on the site. Reddit definitely skews towards a younger demographic, people who likely grew up watching the prequels. Probably a much younger demographic than you'd find here.

Respect for the prequels also seems to have surged with the backlash of the sequels. And The Clone Wars show is highly regarded on Reddit as some of the best post-OT content, which takes place between movies 2 and 3.

I'm not going to dig up links and sources, that's just my takeaway from reading threads over the last few years. It's an enormous user base so obviously not everyone on the site feels the same way.

Well then start a new trilogy a decade from now and then people will be saying that the sequel trilogy is a lot better than they originally thought.

Yes I know. I'm already expecting the replies of "I will never think the sequel trilogy is any good" lol.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Anyhoo... I'm now in the camp that believes "all STAR WARS is good STAR WARS". I just have fun with it; all of it. And weirdest of all... I think I'm actually a happier person overall, having "let go the hate" I used to stupidly carry around for these prequels. Life's too short; just enjoy stuff. Pew pew pew. May the Force be with you.

...apart from when you use the chapter skip button to go past stuff you don't like in Rise of Skywalker

Originally Posted by mrp1978

The sequels are still fresh. People have not calmed down. Time has not put things in perspective. But that will come. I suspect the general consensus as to quality won't eventually end up too far from the prequels. In some ways the two trilogies are the polar opposites of one another - one full of interesting, ambitious ideas, but often clunky and awkward on a scene by scene basis, while the other churns out plenty of competently made individual scenes, but is perhaps rather lacking in ambition and purpose.

YES! That's exactly how I feel about the PT and ST. The former has the themes and ideas and the world-building but not the most compelling minute-by-minute execution of the storytelling, while the latter is chock full o' fast paced fun (well, two out of three) but lacks political nuance and is sorely in need of an over-arching framework for the wider narrative. Though the one movie of the ST three that DOES dare to delve into the political mind of its director provoked the most furious online reaction to a Star Wars film I've seen since Phantom Menace, perhaps since ever. I know some folks roll their eyes and say "oh, it wasn't as bad as the reaction to the prequels" and they're right: it was worse IMO.