8K discussion thread

[Robert Zohn]

Will ^^ do!

[LordoftheRings]

This next Holiday season a toy to plug in in your new 8K UHDTV (Super Hi-Vision) ...
• https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...blu-ray-player

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Immersion (go big, sit close to UHD 4K/8K or stay home) ... IMAX
• https://lfexaminer.com/2009/05/what-is-immersive/

[JohnAV]

Peninsula,’ Korean Zombie Thriller, Sets 8K Trailer Ahead of Cannes-Backed Debut - Variety 6/16/20

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“Peninsula,” a Korean-made zombie horror action movie, has unveiled an 8K trailer ahead of its premiere in theaters this summer. The film is a four-years-later sequel to “Train to Busan,” which smashed multiple records around Asia.

Despite its genre film status “Train” got its launch at the 2016 Cannes festival as a midnight screening, before conquering the summer season in Korea and the Asia region. “Peninsula” is set for a similar course, having been named in the official selection of this year’s virtual Cannes.

It is aiming for a July release, but the exact date has not been locked in due to the uncertainties in the releasing calendar caused by the coronavirus outbreak. Distributor Next Entertainment World and its rights sales unit Contents Panda say that international releases will be closely co-ordinated as soon as the Korean outing is confirmed.

Korean cinemas reopened last month. And, after an initial hesitation, audience numbers are beginning to swell – the top five films earned over $3 million this weekend – and distributors are now rebuilding the summer releasing schedule.

Likely more exciting than NHK 2020 Olympic fumbles.

[LordoftheRings]

I gotta see that ^

[X-rayvision]

No offense to any owners of 8k tvs but are your guys really look forward to 1 release that you may be able to download via PC in 8k to actually view 8k contant in its native form? The quality cannot be the same as a disk and how long will you have to wait before 1 movie is downloaded and you can view it? Once viewable is it true 8k. Regardless it seems like a lot of work to watch 1 8k movie now do that same thing 200-300 more times to start amassing a collection- how much time will you waste in total- we need plug and play movies not this download bullshit, many consumers wont spend the time or effort to do that. I dont get the 8k train at all, TV manufacturers stopped supporting 4k right when mass adoption was taking hold. What makes you think you will get any mass produced 8k content on Disk format. You won't,if they pulled out this early in dedicated 4k players all you will get is fake 8k streaming quality type player that will waste all the tech in the TV, and cost you a fortune in monthly internet fees from your provider just to get a signal strong enough to play them without constant interruption. Honestly, i may have considered buying an 8k tv if they were still producing dedicated 4k players but without them its a complete waste of money. Sure the TV will upscale and add unwanted processing to the signal but if the signal is sent from a 4k player it makes the TV's job easy to upscale. It wont be perfect but id argue you would see more benefits from you 8k rig. If you plan to stream 4k then 8k tvs are a complete waste of money, and so are top of the line 4k oleds. You may as well just buy a TLC or vizio or any cheap low quality 4k tv. Lastly the 8k tvs you buy today will be completely obsolete in terms of specifications by the time 8k streaming contant is available if it ever is. Given the TV manufacturers track record recently you cant trust them for shit to support these high priced cutting edge products.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

If you plan to stream 4k then 8k tvs are a complete waste of money, and so are top of the line 4k oleds. You may as well just buy a TLC or vizio or any cheap low quality 4k tv

I beg to differ, since you appear to not own a 4K OLED, that yes better quality displays do improve 4K streaming presentations. This going the cheap route is your opinion only. As for 8k content file transfers even if you have a very fast internet that is not a good workaround compared to some kind of local storage/physical media solution when 8k content is eventually available.

[X-rayvision]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I beg to differ, since you appear to not own a 4K OLED, that yes better quality displays do improve 4K streaming presentations. This going the cheap route is your opinion only. As for 8k content file transfers even if you have a very fast internet is not a good workaround compared to some local storage/physical media solution when 8k content is eventually available.

1) i own 2 4k oleds

2) you can only polish a turd so much, its waste of tech and money to only display streaming content on a 4-6k usd 8ktv or even a top of the line 4k oled

And yes the turd looks better on my 4k oled than it does on my my UHD Samsung but who cares it doesnt look anything close to a 4k disk, Aint nobody going to drop an extra 3-5k to buy the best 4k oled or 8k on the market for that minimal upgrade in streaming viewing

Also 8k will make these streaming 4k turds look worse because the content being fed deviates even further from the native resolution of the set

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

1) i own 2 4k oleds%

I see that now, slow WiFi access point cut out your signature top line for some reason.

I get the preferences compared to media, still my opinion stands that really don’t want TLC or Vizio if you watch a variety of content of differing video quality.

[X-rayvision]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I see that now, slow WiFi access point cut out your signature top line for some reason.

I get the preferences compared to media, still my opinion stands that really don’t want TLC or Vizio if you watch a variety of content of differing video quality.

I agree they are shitty tvs but if all they need to do is stream 4k content over the net then they are more than good enough to handle and produce those crappy quality transfers. Hook that same shitty tv up to a 4k player and you will see a huge difference between it and the top end oleds. The returns diminish with streaming content to the point that the value of the top end tv is lost, all that wonderful tech is wasted since you will never get to see it at its maximum level or use it to its fullest potential

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I beg to differ, since you appear to not own a 4K OLED, that yes better quality displays do improve 4K streaming presentations. This going the cheap route is your opinion only. As for 8k content file transfers even if you have a very fast internet that is not a good workaround compared to some kind of local storage/physical media solution when 8k content is eventually available.

Forget 8K physical media. Not going to happen. It will be streaming and MAYBE OTA in the distant future.

[Lee A Stewart]

I do not believe the TV OEMs are going to repeat the mistake they made with 4K TVs when it comes to 8K TVs. They are going to tuff it out when it comes to maintaining high prices for the next 3 years at least. It is going to take at least that long to get a library of 8K content that can be used to feed them. IMO, Nature docs will be at the top of the list.

You saw this yesterday from Sound and Vision. Now more people have voted:

[X-rayvision]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I do not believe the TV OEMs are going to repeat the mistake they made with 4K TVs when it comes to 8K TVs. They are going to tuff it out when it comes to maintaining high prices for the next 3 years at least. It is going to take at least that long to get a library of 8K content that can be used to feed them. IMO, Nature docs will be at the top of the list.

You saw this yesterday from Sound and Vision. Now more people have voted:

What the originary joe just bought his brand spanking new 4k TV thinking he is on the cutting edge. He goes to look around and ask the store clerk where are the new 4k players "oh im sorry sir that last new 4k player was released in 2018. "Didn't 4k start in 2014-2015 whats going on here, it hasnt been that long and why are 4k disks still so expensive?. Why do you still sell dvds, and make new blu ray players? Store Clerk changes subject to the 2 4k players he has in stock. Store clerk then says" people didnt buy 4k tvs fast enough so we are moving on to 8k". Customer says "Well how long will 8k last?" Store clerk: Probably less time than 4k. Customer responds where can i buy a 1080p set? lol

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Forget 8K physical media. Not going to happen. It will be streaming and MAYBE OTA in the distant future.

All three of those as it stands are about the same chance of happening. But likely one will happen faster then you upgrade to a 4K TV.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

I agree they are shitty tvs but if all they need to do is stream 4k content over the net then they are more than good enough to handle and produce those crappy quality transfers. Hook that same shitty tv up to a 4k player and you will see a huge difference between it and the top end oleds. The returns diminish with streaming content to the point that the value of the top end tv is lost, all that wonderful tech is wasted since you will never get to see it at its maximum level or use it to its fullest potential

Well there are a lot that buy too cheap and never get to see how good 4K HDR physical media is, and by the same measure buy a expensive set only to use it with streaming apps and no good quality 4K UHD player.

[JohnAV]

Scheduled for 6/17/20. (live in 9 hours) - 8K live streaming

Inside Futurelab: Immersify (8K Live Streaming) - YouTube

In September 2019, during the Ars Electronica Festival, real-time transmission of 8K content in the immersive environment of Deep Space 8K succeeded for the first time. The encoder and decoder functionalities required for such a sophisticated streaming demonstration were developed as part of the European research project Immersify. The streaming system developed by PSNC based on the GPU accelerated video encoding and network streaming using RTP/SRT protocols ensures very low latency allowing for real time interaction between artists located at PSNC and Ars Electronica. The video was transmitted over the public Internet in 8K resolution using HEVC codec. Finally, Deep Space 8K at the Ars Electronica Center provides an impressive media environment for the groundbreaking demonstration.

In collaboration with PSNC, there will now once again be an 8K live stream from Poznan in Poland to Deep Space 8K.

Note the YouTube video was not 8K only HD

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

All three of those as it stands are about the same chance of happening. But likely one will happen faster then you upgrade to a 4K TV.

Have you seen any article(s) that state there might be an 8K physical format, as opposed to a handful that say no?

Rub that lamp harder John!

8K Streaming = 85% chance

8K OTA = 10% chance

8K Physical = zero chance

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Have you seen any article(s) that state there might be an 8K physical format, as opposed to a handful that say no?

Rub that lamp harder John!

8K Streaming = 85% chance

8K OTA = 10% chance

8K Physical = zero chance

I give 8K OTA (ATSC 3.0) the highest chance of probability because it doesn't consume so much bandwidth. Having a limited distribution going to city/community nodes for OTA transmission from a network source, reduces qty of servers, because it would be scheduled not UDP content.

Going to 8K streaming for on demand transcoded file content like it is now would be using twice to four times the energy consumed as present 30 Mbps 4K comparably with Data Centers. The YouTube was using HEVC not AV1 or VVC, still any of them use more processing than most desktops can decode via software processing. It requires hardware based decoding.

The most energy efficient is some kind of physical media or storage for containing 100 to 200 GB storage as a guess of the volume size involved. Like media distribution, the transport to consumers would be the least problematic assuming a eco system could be worked out.

If you looked at this like a engineer it would be apparent it's not so simple.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I give 8K OTA (ATSC 3.0) the highest chance of probability because it doesn't consume so much bandwidth. Having a limited distribution going to city/community nodes for OTA transmission from a network source, reduces qty of servers, because it would be scheduled not UDP content.

Going to 8K streaming for on demand transcoded file content like it is now would be using twice to four times the energy.as present 30 Mbps 4K comparably. The YouTube was using HEVC not AV1 or VVC, still any of them use more processing than most desktops can decode via software processing. It requires hardware based decoding.

The most energy efficient is some kind of physical media or storage for containing 100 to 200 GB storage as a guess of the volume size involved.

If you looked at this like a engineer it would be apparent it's not so simple.

8k OTA using HEVC has been done: 150 to 200 Mbps. 3.0 channel bandwidth is 57.8 Mbps. The technical hurdles broadcasting 8K OTA will require the next new compression codec after VVC.

Streaming is the most popular method of delivering home entertainment to the public while physical disc is the least popular. So which will get all the R & D and $ to accomplish 8K?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

8k OTA using HEVC has been done: 150 to 200 Mbps. 3.0 channel bandwidth is 57.8 Mbps. The technical hurdles broadcasting 8K OTA will require the next new compression codec after VVC.

Streaming is the most popular method of delivering home entertainment to the public while physical disc is the least popular. So which will get all the R & D and $ to accomplish 8K?

There is no simple answer to 8k content trends its not there. Neither is standards.