Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by bruceames

If they're using an N95 mask, which my dentist was, they block well over 95% of micron particles and all of the larger droplets. Even without a mask, it would take several minutes for them to infect you unless they sneezed in your face. You would be protected for hours with proper PPE.

Think about it. Would they let dentists open if they knew they would infect patients even with proper PPE?

Would they keep the economy open despite record increases in cases? Think about it.

[Batman1980]

Life must go on and unemployment only goes so far. You don't want to put a dollar value on lives but how many jobs are already gone forever?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Would they keep the economy open despite record increases in cases? Think about it.

While we're thinking, they don't go by cases but rather percentage of positive tests and hospitalization rates. Another thing to think about is that the death toll continues to decline, and decline rather sharply, which I think is the most important indicator of the progress that is being made.

[MifuneFan]

COVID hospitalizations are up 84% since Memorial Day in Texas. They surged 11% from Tues to Weds

[Moe Szyslak]

I can't comprehend how, at this stage in the pandemic, an area of over 28 million people doesn't have a state-wide facemask mandate. It really is so simple.

[Batman1980]

Well honestly, you should trust that people have enough sense to put masks on when they go outside their homes.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

COVID hospitalizations are up 84% since Memorial Day in Texas. They surged 11% from Tues to Weds

The nationwide numbers after July 4th weekend will be interesting.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

for our Arizona membership, the latest….
including an interview with Murtaza Akhter, M.D., Emergency Medicine physician (and although Ali didn’t mention it, Murtaza was fellowship trained at Mass. General ) and who is alarmed at the situation -

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/w...ms-85303877795

[Penton-Man]

^ and a poignant human-interest story from a frustrated daughter who lost her father to the virus, plus, in terms of other businesses, the result of a defiant attitude by Zipps –

Arizona Coronavirus Rate Skyrockets, Has Fastest Growth Rate In U.S. | NBC News NOW - YouTube

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by bruceames

While we're thinking, they don't go by cases but rather percentage of positive tests and hospitalization rates...

Which as other posters have pointed out are surging...

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Which as other posters have pointed out are surging...

Yes they are in a few states. The crisis point there would be having enough beds for any surges. If they don't then they need to make masks mandatory indoors, or worse case, close some of the businesses they feel are contributing to the surge.

Texas and Arizona have a higher percentage of poor, minority populations and they are the ones getting hit the most. Unfortunately, re-closing businesses would also affect them the most, economically, so it's a pick your poison situation. Hopefully they have the capacity and they implement more safety protocols, and that they enforce them.

[Chaotic]

People at my job don’t know how to social distance. Always standing right by me waiting to grab their packages. It annoyed the crap out of me before the pandemic and annoys me even more now

[ctujackbauer]

Gov. Cuomo considering an order for people visiting from Florida to quarantine for 14 days.

This interplay from states with high or low infection rates reminds me of 50 minions from the Despicable Me franchise doing slapstick and saying "you infected" and then not allowing them to pass. Florida had problems with people from New York in the beginning, now the tables have turned.

[Batman1980]

CO-VID 19 is like the worst game ever of musical chairs, yes.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Gov. Cuomo considering an order for people visiting from Florida to quarantine for 14 days.

This interplay from states with high or low infection rates reminds me of 50 minions from the Despicable Me franchise doing slapstick and saying "you infected" and then not allowing them to pass. Florida had problems with people from New York in the beginning, now the tables have turned.

Testing is becoming so common that testing upon arrival, or a certificate of having passed a test in the last few days, is MUCH more practical than a 14 day quarantine. For both parties. The state doesn't have to monitor the quarantine and the person doesn't have to spend 13 days before resuming his life.

[LordoftheRings]

Reality check, by the numbers ...

By the end of this month, six months since the start of this COVID-19 global pandemic, there will be over 10 million cases and over half million deaths*, worldwide.

In regards to the number of deaths; it's very tough to pinpoint the exact number, but it is my firm belief that you can add roughly 30% more. ...500,000 x 30% = 150,000
So the total would be actually closer to 650,000 (end of June or before).

Three months ago I estimated between 20 and 25% more.
Today 30%

Life must go on, the money rolling, the bills have to be paid, the taxes, we need food to survive, a shelter in winter, a washing and drying machine, some 4K Blu-ray movies to distract us, the stock markets have to be pumped up, investors investing, new jobs created, ...all that preventive jazz with masks wearing everywhere where people are.

There will be another Christmas this year ... 8K OLED TVs might be under some trees ... no stress.

[LordoftheRings]

Worldwide number of deaths:
You don't have to read one of several articles on the subject, but feel free ...
• https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-53073046

The global economy (stock markets):
Same, feel free to read and make your own mind ...
• https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ors-2020-06-18

There are several articles saying that the stock markets are pure illusion right now.
With close to 50 million Americans not working.
Some analysts say that the dollar will fall by 30%.

It's like we're living a false dream ... but the reality is that it is a nightmare; it just doesn't fully register yet ... for everyone.

[DVD Phreak]

When protests were held in NYC, I worried covid cases and death rate would go up. But 2 weeks have passed and they have actually gone down. The next worry will be Trump's rally in Tulsa, OK, which will be held indoor, in one of the states with rising covid metrics. After the rally, we will again wait nervously for 1-2 weeks to see the effects. I think from now on, in the foreseeable future, every time a big event opens (NFL, NBA, or whatever), we will have to see what effects it will bring and learn from it.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by DVD Phreak

When protests were held in NYC, I worried covid cases and death rate would go up. But 2 weeks have passed and they have actually gone down. The next worry will be Trump's rally in Tulsa, OK, which will be held indoor, in one of the states with rising covid metrics. After the rally, we will again wait nervously for 1-2 weeks to see the effects. I think from now on, in the foreseeable future, every time a big event opens (NFL, NBA, or whatever), we will have to see what effects it will bring and learn from it.

Hopefully they have excellent ventilation in that indoor venue. I agree it will be a good test.

Key though is avoiding prolonged face to face close contact. Spectator events people are not facing each other, so that makes a big difference.

[LordoftheRings]

Brazil ... tomorrow ...
• Over 1 million confirmed cases

After tomorrow ...
• Over 50,000 confirmed deaths

US ... today ...
• Over 120,000 confirmed deaths