Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

VVC does not offer a straight 50% reduction. It's up to 50%.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...tep-towards-8k

I was looking at any comments about the degree of compression vs the type of content that would not compress much vs could compress.

But these are new paradigms, and new ways of thinking,” stated Vieron, and one of these was to – in effect – start thinking with a clean sheet of paper and where Ateme was working on a concept where Artificial Intelligence was an integral part of the codec, and actively looked at the content, its target device and where there was “machine deep learning” in the codec. The potential, said Vieron, was between 30-60 percent compression gains in bandwidth. The gain in Sport would be smaller, but the benefit in movie transmission would be at the higher end of the target scale.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are talking about rare earth minerals/elements. Currently, the best way to secure them is recycling. As you know tech changes so quickly we have become a throw-away society. This won't change. In fact it may accelerate so no reason to be too concerned.

It’s going to have to change, surely?

[bhampton]

Hi,

In terms of the precious materials running out, I actually think phones are sort of good enough now and people should keep them longer than they do. Would be better to innovate the software side and keep the hardware side the same I think

[Lee A Stewart]

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hi,

In terms of the precious materials running out, I actually think phones are sort of good enough now and people should keep them longer than they do. Would be better to innovate the software side and keep the hardware side the same I think

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I want to just take a moment to congratulate you for finally acknowledging that streaming does not equal disc quality. I think that’s enough progress for today

No let's not take it that far, this is just for you guys that need that Bitrate. To me with my Display and setup, Streaming looks just like the Discs I'm able to play. You guys need that Bitrate count to justify the Quality of your Movie and TV Show experience!

[johndoyle123]

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/070720-1500

Rumour has it Discs will be dead in 2-3 years, I personally think that’s absurd

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No let's not take it that far, this is just for you guys that need that Bitrate. To me with my Display and setup, Streaming looks just like the Discs I'm able to play. You guys need that Bitrate count to justify the Quality of your Movie and TV Show experience!

So your TV doesn't reflect any difference between your 4K streaming and disk. The disk player is only a SDR BD. So if a BD maxes at 48 Mbps and your streaming at best is 32 Mbps how can you compare what you see is equal to watching 4K disks?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by johndoyle123

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/070720-1500

Rumour has it Discs will be dead in 2-3 years, I personally think that’s absurd

He just miff that he's not getting his fix of lots of new movie releases to media. The last time we had something major was the end of March with Star Wars UHD disks. I can't say that Birds of Pray was a stunner. What else but regular older releases is happening since then. All the movies I want to buy on BD or UHD BD are delayed because nothing is really out at theaters until end of this month at the earliest.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'd be curious to know how big of boost all the recent titles being removed from digital stores for being potentially offensive has had on physical media sales.

You can find that info here: Top Disc Sales

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/

And here:

https://www.the-numbers.com/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by johndoyle123

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/070720-1500

Rumour has it Discs will be dead in 2-3 years, I personally think that’s absurd

The same thing was said six years ago, and every year since, and Bill Hunt was probably one of the geniuses that predicted it back then. The only thing dying is his website; he has to create clickbait articles such as these just to keep it from fading entirely into obscurity.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No let's not take it that far, this is just for you guys that need that Bitrate. To me with my Display and setup, Streaming looks just like the Discs I'm able to play. You guys need that Bitrate count to justify the Quality of your Movie and TV Show experience!

Except that you can not play 4K discs and you haven't even seen one being played by your own admission, so your comparison of discs to streaming is essentially worthless. You are comparing blu-rays to 4K streaming and claiming that a 4K stream looks like "just like" a blu-ray is damning with faint praise.

Bitrates are an objective measurement and the only reason that you dismiss them is because streaming has very low bitates compared to the equivalent disc format. At other times in the past you have claimed that streaming's bitrates were something to brag about and that they will only improve, but here you are now undermining their significance. You flip flop more than a fish out of water.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was surprised to learn today that all the minerals that are mined for smartphones, TVs, tablets, computers etc.. are probably going to run out in a 20 year timespan. What does that mean for our equipment? Some of those minerals are absolutely essential and don’t have replacements. Yet more environmental stuff to worry about.

I also learned that mining for Gold, copper etc.. is a huge risk factor for another Coronavirus because of the exposure to animals in the habitat. it seems huge reform needs to take place to make it less of a risk factor.

Is it going to be worth living after 2040? We will probably go back to marbles and hide and seek for entertainment.

The only thing that there is never a shortage of are things to worry about.

My fourth grade teacher in 1972 told my class that the world would end for us hoomans before, or by, the year 2000 due to overpopulation. The last time that I looked the world, and we peeples, are still here and this particular hooman is quite comfortable.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Except that you can not play 4K discs and you haven't even seen one being played by your own admission, so your comparison of discs to streaming is essentially worthless. You are comparing blu-rays to 4K streaming and claiming that a 4K stream looks like "just like" a blu-ray is damning with faint praise.

Bitrates are an objective measurement and the only reason that you dismiss them is because streaming has very low bitates compared to the equivalent disc format. At other times in the past you have claimed that streaming's bitrates were something to brag about and that they will only improve, but here you are now undermining their significance. You flip flop more than a fish out of water.

It must be exhausting trying to put out all these fires. When I compare Discs it's to BD 1080P, but I have seen 4K Discs at Best Buy. It looks good, but my 4K Streaming looks just as good. My Streaming to all my Providers, including Amazon Prime is Outstanding. Even with Vudu being acquired by Fandango, the Streaming experience only keeps getting better. The only Flip Flops are my Go Between Sandals!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It must be exhausting trying to put out all these fires. When I compare Discs it's to BD 1080P, but I have seen 4K Discs at Best Buy. It looks good, but my 4K Streaming looks just as good. My Streaming to all my Providers, including Amazon Prime is Outstanding. Even with Vudu being acquired by Fandango, the Streaming experience only keeps getting better. The only Flip Flops are my Go Between Sandals!

You know that the demo loops in BB are not sourced from 4K content, be it the BB TV section, or Magnolia. I yet to see anyone who has a 4K setup at home claiming that the in store presentation is comparable. The few disks they have available to show off TV with speakers are just blu-rays, because they aren’t allow to use any UHD BD’s.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It must be exhausting trying to put out all these fires. When I compare Discs it's to BD 1080P, but I have seen 4K Discs at Best Buy. It looks good, but my 4K Streaming looks just as good. My Streaming to all my Providers, including Amazon Prime is Outstanding. Even with Vudu being acquired by Fandango, the Streaming experience only keeps getting better. The only Flip Flops are my Go Between Sandals!

Nothing that you have ever written here comes close to having lit a fire; there is rarely even a spark of sense to be found among any of your posts.

Responding to your less than illuminating comments isn't exhausting at all; if anything it has become reflexive as I expect little else from you. No one else here repeats the same nonsense that you do. You would be far more interesting if you could at least offer some new absurdities once in awhile for variety's sake.

As JohnAV has stated, Best Buy does not demo 4K discs, so you still haven't seen one being played and thus you can not compare a 4K disc's performance with that of a 4K stream. The only 4K discs that you have seen are still in their shrink wrapped packaging. Stop being a ; you have not watched a 4K disc nor have you then compared it to the exact same 4K stream on the same display with the same settings in the same lighting environment.

As Penguin mentioned, watching a 4K TV under store showroom conditions is NOT how you evaluate a 4K TV, yet alone the content being shown on it. This is common knowledge and your not knowing this fact illustrates just how uncommonly uninformed you are. After your 11 years on this forum, you think that watching a TV under a store's stadium lighting is a fair test.

For what feels like Groundhog Day the movie, streaming has NOT improved in several years. Bitrates and codecs are unchanged. The only thing that may have changed in this time is you having possibly developed the onset of dementia. Numerous people here have told you the same thing, but you just repeat your fantasy as if it were your first time telling it.

Streaming removes and censors content; the streaming experience sucks more and more everyday.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

In June of 2019 Captain Marvel, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, and Dumbo were released on Blu-ray. Absolutely no blockbuster new movies were released on Blu-ray in June of 2020. Comparing sales from the two years is therefore absurd.

Nonetheless, the "discs are dying" prophets will latch on to this year's atypical results as the final irrefutable proof that all is lost.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Pretty soon DEG will release their quarterly report and then we'll see how well EST did without new blockbuster releases. I expect EST sales will be down too.

I hope that they separate PVOD from regular VOD; I am curious to see how much was spent on those $20 rentals.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You know that the demo loops in BB are not sourced from 4K content, be it the BB TV section, or Magnolia. I yet to see anyone who has a 4K setup at home claiming that the in store presentation is comparable. The few disks they have available to show off TV with speakers are just blu-rays, because they aren’t allow to use any UHD BD’s.

You know this for a fact JohnAV, I know the ones on the wall are fed this way but my BB use to have 4K TV's set with 4K Players and Sound Systems. This was back a few years when I bought my Sony 4K TV. I knew the Sales guys, and they would show me the 4K Picture Quality. They would run different 4K Movies, I use to go there all the time.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You know this for a fact JohnAV, I know the ones on the wall are fed this way but my BB use to have 4K TV's set with 4K Players and Sound Systems. This was back a few years when I bought my Sony 4K TV. I knew the Sales guys, and they would show me the 4K Picture Quality. They would run different 4K Movies, I use to go there all the time.

Did they play an actual 4K disc for you? You have told us several times over more than a couple of years that you do not own and that you have not seen a 4K disc being played. Do I need to quote your earlier posts? I am not the only one here who remembers reading them.

Now all of a sudden you are trying to tell us that you have seen a few seconds of a 4K disc being demonstrated at a Best Buy store when you bought your TV "a few years" ago and you are now trying to pass this off as your 4K disc evaluation. I think that you are just making this all up as you have never until today claimed to have seen a 4K disc in action.

The point remains that you have not seen a 4K disc in a home setting under normal lighting and with correct TV settings. Further, you have not then compared a 4K stream of the same movie viewed under the exact same circumstances. In other words, you have made no comparison of a 4K disc to a 4K stream. Stating that a 4K stream looks "just like" a 1080p blu-ray is not much to brag about even if it were true.

You are deliberately misrepresenting your experience with 4K discs; the fact is that you have none.