Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by WKoA13

See, I agree with your breakdown but that's exactly why it's more of an F13 flic.

We see Freddy get...what...1 kill as himself really? Every other is by Jason's hands.

But that's the whole point of the movie, Jason is taking all of his Kills and that's why they fight each other.

Also Freddy "dies" at the end. In both franchises (or horror franchises in general), the main villain is the one that dies in the end.

[TripleHBK]

My thoughts earlier about whether Freddy vs Jason was really me openly pondering whether Warner/New Line are willing to let another studio handle anything with Freddy in it and not so much about whether the film felt like a Friday/Nightmare film.

I could see Warner/New Line still drawing a firm line in the sand when it comes to Freddy and saying that anything to do with him is off limits. The Jason/Friday films never really panned out for them the way folks wanted so I could see them not having any particularly strong feelings about licensing those out, but Freddy is a home grown effort that they may be more protective of. The lack of Freddy vs Jason, to me, would lead me to believe that any sort of Nightmare set is off the table where as its inclusion would provide me with a small amount of hope that such a set could still happen.

[rockyfan]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Yeah i always said that FVJ was more of a NOES film than a Friday film. Still, i'd love to see it in the new Friday boxset. If it's not included, it won't be a deal breaker though.

Although it would make me wonder if they leave it out specifically, because they want to include it in a future NOES boxset.

Also agree, FVJ plays like a NOES film. It’s very much Freddy’s film. I think it would be a little out of place in a Friday box set. If Scream Factory have a NOES box set planned, I would imagine it would be included in that.

[sargon530]

Is Scream Factory pretty formulaic/consistent in their announcements? Do they tend to announce in the a.m or p.m? PST/EST? Thanks for any insight!

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by sargon530

Is Shout Factory pretty formulaic in their announcements? Do they tend to announce in the a.m or p.m? PST/EST?

Whenever they feel like it. Late morning, Afternoon, Late Afternoon... all of these are fair game. Announcements could come Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, but likely no later than that due to the chances of things being spoiled by retailers at that point.

In other words... follow this thread for activity if you aren't wanting to be checking facebook/shouts website every 15-30 minutes all day tomorrow.

[WKoA13]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

But that's the whole point of the movie, Jason is taking all of his Kills and that's why they fight each other.

Also Freddy "dies" at the end. In both franchises (or horror franchises in general), the main villain is the one that dies in the end.

Except for the hosts of horror flics where the villain doesn't actually die.

And again, Freddy gets a single kill in the entire run time. Both franchises where heavily built on/around the kills being their own mini set pieces. And as I've said twice now, Freddy (who due to the dream world had the more outlandish kills of either series), gets A kill during the whole movie.

While the basic framework of the story might be about Freddy trying to use Jason to get his power back...he and his story take a back seat to Jason's kills, as while there is a bit of "there was this local legend of Freddy" from a couple characters, most of the run time is the main teens actively trying to deal with the very real, and in the moment threat of Jason running wild through their town.

Honestly, if you dropped the Freddy scenes, you wouldn't have to tweak/add much to still make it a stand alone Jason kill fest. (It wouldn't be a good one, but one could argue some of the other F13 installments were just so-so vehicles for death scenes)

If you drop all of the Jason content....you have a short fan flic about Freddy killing one teen in a bathroom.

[DukeTogo84]

At this point I'm 95% sure we are going to hear about the F13 tomorrow. What I'm sweating bullets over is the Dead Zone. I initially thought it was a sure thing it was coming from Scream, but with Paramount releasing it themselves in a 5 pack, I'm not as confident as I once was.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by WKoA13

Except for the hosts of horror flics where the villain doesn't actually die.

And again, Freddy gets a single kill in the entire run time. Both franchises where heavily built on/around the kills being their own mini set pieces. And as I've said twice now, Freddy (who due to the dream world had the more outlandish kills of either series), gets A kill during the whole movie.

While the basic framework of the story might be about Freddy trying to use Jason to get his power back...he and his story take a back seat to Jason's kills, as while there is a bit of "there was this local legend of Freddy" from a couple characters, most of the run time is the main teens actively trying to deal with the very real, and in the moment threat of Jason running wild through their town.

Honestly, if you dropped the Freddy scenes, you wouldn't have to tweak/add much to still make it a stand alone Jason kill fest. (It wouldn't be a good one, but one could argue some of the other F13 installments were just so-so vehicles for death scenes)

If you drop all of the Jason content....you have a short fan flic about Freddy killing one teen in a bathroom.

Jason wouldn't even be in the movie if it wasn't for Freddy. And just because he had 1 kill doesn't mean it's not his movie. This is totally his story. Jason is just the pawn that's being used in it, which goes too far.

So if there was a NOES film where Freddy only kills 1 person, does that not make it a NOES film anymore? (besides the fact that it would be a trash movie). That's absolutely ridiculous thinking. The number of kills he has is irrelevant.

[SlimerJoel]

Originally Posted by rockyfan

Also agree, FVJ plays like a NOES film. It’s very much Freddy’s film. I think it would be a little out of place in a Friday box set. If Scream Factory have a NOES box set planned, I would imagine it would be included in that.

I don't think so. After all, FvJ was telegraphed in Part 9 at the very end. Even if it has more thematically in common with the NOES series, it's still an integral part of the F13 franchise. I think it would be a mistake not to include it.

[WKoA13]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Jason wouldn't even be in the movie if it wasn't for Freddy. And just because he had 1 kill doesn't mean it's not his movie. This is totally his story. Jason is just the pawn that's being used in it, which goes too far.

So if there was a NOES film where Freddy only kills 1 person, does that not make it a NOES film anymore? (besides the fact that it would be a trash movie). That's absolutely ridiculous thinking. The number of kills he has is irrelevant.

Except for, as I already said, when both franchises were built on kill scenes...yes, his body count absolutely matters, because it means he does almost nothing in the entire flic. You can easily drop the opening scene, replace it with some random teen disturbing/re-awakening Jason's corpse, and then easily swap out the other Freddy moments from there. It would be incredibly easy to shift into a stand alone Jason movie because it's already a Jason movie with Freddy wedged in there.

It's not JAWS. It's not even the first entries into the series where the less you see of the killer, the more effective it is. By this point, both series made there money off entries where Freddy or Jason got a lot of screen time, and fun, memorable murders. As someone who is more of a Freddy fan, I had fun, but walked out of opening night disappointed that it was a Jason vehicle with Freddy as a "side car". My Jason fan friends were quite pleased that it was more of a Jason flic.

There are several stories and movies across all genres where a secondary character sets off the main chain of events...it doesn't suddenly make it that character's story. Marion Crane stealing money sets off the events of PSYCHO...she's not remotely the focus of that story. Freddy is just a few notches above a talking McGuffin in FvJ.

[JasonMichael]

If I buy a complete Friday the 13th box set, I want Freddy vs Jason. If I buy a complete Elm St. box set, I want FvJ. I don't care whose film it is, it has an appearance of the character so I want it in the box.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by SlimerJoel

I don't think so. After all, FvJ was telegraphed in Part 9 at the very end. Even if it has more thematically in common with the NOES series, it's still an integral part of the F13 franchise. I think it would be a mistake not to include it.

Agreed.

Though not exactly clear due to the 15 script re-writes and the decade long development hell, Freddy Vs Jason starts in Hell during Freddy's monologue and is a direct Sequel to the end of Jason Goes to Hell where we last Saw Jason being dragged off to.

While I certainly agree the film feels more like a Nightmare film, it could be argued that it is simply a one off (like the reboot) as it has little to no ties to the 2 films which proceeded it. A direct sequel to Wes Craven's New Nightmare or even Freddy's Dead technically could still be game now given how those two films ended and the ideas that were added to the mythos (Dream demons in Freddy's dead or that Freddy himself is an ancient evil that takes form when the story goes untold for too long, thus allowing himself to evolve and change as society changes and evolves).

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by WKoA13

Except for, as I already said, when both franchises were built on kill scenes...yes, his body count absolutely matters, because it means he does almost nothing in the entire flic. You can easily drop the opening scene, replace it with some random teen disturbing/re-awakening Jason's corpse, and then easily swap out the other Freddy moments from there. It would be incredibly easy to shift into a stand alone Jason movie because it's already a Jason movie with Freddy wedged in there.

It's not JAWS. It's not even the first entries into the series where the less you see of the killer, the more effective it is. By this point, both series made there money off entries where Freddy or Jason got a lot of screen time, and fun, memorable murders. As someone who is more of a Freddy fan, I had fun, but walked out of opening night disappointed that it was a Jason vehicle with Freddy as a "side car". My Jason fan friends were quite pleased that it was more of a Jason flic.

There are several stories and movies across all genres where a secondary character sets off the main chain of events...it doesn't suddenly make it that character's story. Marion Crane stealing money sets off the events of PSYCHO...she's not remotely the focus of that story. Freddy is just a few notches above a talking McGuffin in FvJ.

Except swapping out those scenes or erasing them would change the whole plot of the movie. This is Freddy's movie of trying to come back. It's pretty well explained in the story why he isn't able to kill anyone.

[Michael24]

Originally Posted by JasonMichael

If I buy a complete Friday the 13th box set, I want Freddy vs Jason. If I buy a complete Elm St. box set, I want FvJ. I don't care whose film it is, it has an appearance of the character so I want it in the box.

[WKoA13]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Except swapping out those scenes or erasing them would change the whole plot of the movie. This is Freddy's movie of trying to come back. It's pretty well explained in the story why he isn't able to kill anyone.

Which further proves it's more a Jason movie with Freddy as slightly more than a plot device. Freddy simply trying to come back doesn't make it his movie by a long shot.

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by WKoA13

Which further proves it's more a Jason movie with Freddy as slightly more than a plot device. Freddy simply trying to come back doesn't make it his movie by a long shot.

Freddy not being able to kill anybody doesn’t make it a Jason movie though either.

It like that movie, How Stella got her Groove Back. But this is Freddy getting his back instead. Freddy is the one with an arc. He is the “man in a hole” of the plot and story structure. Jason is just a plot device to serve is rise back to power.

The setting is predominantly his turf - basically until the battle at the very end and revolves around people whose lives were directly affected by him. The numerous fantastical dream sequences are of course Elm St. and create the experience of an Elm St. There’s very little stalk and slash in the woods which would make it feel more F13.

[Worship.my.wreck]

I'm feeling good it will be tomorrow, Monday the 13th

[MTRodaba2468]

Originally Posted by SonnybytheSea

It's hard to compare the early years of SF releases to today, Deadly Blessing had only ever had a VHS release before SF gave us the DVD/Blu release. If they had been lucky enough to get a Paramount license back then I'm pretty sure SF wouldn't of had any qualms about releasing Vampire in Brooklyn or any of the other "lesser tier" Craven films! They've done it before with other directors who it appears SF like more. Those first 2 years of Scream Factory was like the Wild Wild West! you never knew what would be announced next.
It's been 4 years since the last Wes Craven film was released from SF. I'd also point out that when Arrow released Last House on the Left Scream Factory still had a deal going on with MGM at the time and I'm sure if the film had been directed by Carpenter they would have snatched it up! I'm not debating that SF would release the Nightmare or Scream series if they got the chance, it's pretty obvious they would but it would be more because of the popularity of the films and less for the Craven factor!
Now I'm a huge Wes Craven fan, I've watched the good, the bad and the ugly of his film catalogue and I'd still buy the films (which I have) that are a dumpster fire of awfulness! I can only really think of 4 other horror directors that ever warrant that type of loyalty from their fans!

Oh I'm sure that if The Last House On The Left was a John Carpenter film, they would snatch it up. Even the "lesser" John Carpenter films appear to have sold well for the label, which is why they keep seeking out the rights to his titles, even ones that aren't well liked by his fans (like Memoirs of an Invisible Man or Escape From L.A.). Again, I feel like if they weren't fans of Craven's work, they wouldn't be releasing the titles of his that they did, back during the time frame where we KNOW they were more "choosy" with the titles they picked, based on the Psycho IV comments. I think it's more likely that the last few Craven titles they put out didn't sell well enough for them to keep seeking out the rights for his remaining catalog. Again, it sucks (I like Craven's work as well), but as long as these titles still eventually get released, I'll be happy.

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

To just add some fuel to the fire in the talk of "lesser" Craven titles. All of his work deserves to be released at some point. He was a innovator to the genre of horror and has an immense influence on the new contemporaries working.
So the likes of Deadly Friend, Red Eye, and Vampire in Brooklyn need a release. I would also argue for a Music from the Heart since that copy now sells for a grossly huge price.
And SF also released the tv movies that Carpenter did so I don't see why they couldn't for the likes of Craven.

I agree. Vampire In Brooklyn was confirmed as getting a release from Paramount, but I'd be happy with all his remaining films getting released as well.

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Justin Beahm of Reverend Entertainment (who produce extras for many Scream releases, and from what I can gather, work almost exclusively for Scream in terms of Blu-ray labels) tweeted this yesterday:

As if you weren't already hyped for Scream's forthcoming announcements...

Definitely exciting!

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

Can you imagine the polarized responses we'll get if a complete Hellraiser Boxset is announced instead of a Friday set... LoL.

I already own all of them, including Deader, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't rebuy a complete collection that fixed the problems on Hellraiser 3, and provided 1080p editions of all the films.

Well Arrow still has the rights for 1 and 2 in the US (don't know about 3), so it won't be a complete Hellraiser set.

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

There was already a set that came out. Don't see the point if they don't include some new features or that documentary about the second film.

There was already a Friday the 13th set that came out as well, with all 12 films.

I'd like to see SF do an Elm Street box set as well (that way, if the Friday box is confirmed, we'll have sets for the big three slasher franchises), and if they did, I imagine they'd certainly include new features to make it worthwhile.

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

The chains comment makes me think it's going to be Friday the 13th for sure. Now, I'm just wondering if we will get the Dead Zone. I truly hope so.

The Dead Zone is appearing in a 5-film Stephen King box set from Paramount. So I'm assuming that one is unlikely to get a SF release.

Originally Posted by Camp_Crystal_Lake

I’m really hoping for a 4K Friday Box Set announcement. Come on Scream, you know you want to release it.

As others have said, Paramount isn't licensing out the UHD rights to their titles, so the Friday set won't be UHD.

Originally Posted by gimmeshelter

What about an I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER 4K? That would be a good dip into the 4K market.

I could be completely wrong, but I feel like if Shout were to start releasing UHDs under the Scream Factory line, it'll be with popular titles in the line already, that have new 4K transfers to work with. Basically, I'd expect any of the titles that they double-dipped as steelbooks to be ones that they'd do UHD releases of first...

Originally Posted by ilisteg

Do you think they were able to restore 8 films in a few months?

It's possible that they've been working on this set for quite a while. Not to mention that it would depend on whether Paramount allowed them to do new scans for all of them.

Originally Posted by JasonMichael

If I buy a complete Friday the 13th box set, I want Freddy vs Jason. If I buy a complete Elm St. box set, I want FvJ. I don't care whose film it is, it has an appearance of the character so I want it in the box.

Same here. Due to the characters, it would fit in both sets.

[Christophah Maghen]

Freddy vs Jason is a Jason movie. It sucks too.

[beamish13]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

Freddy vs Jason is a Jason movie. It sucks too.

Ronny Yu’s Hong Kong films need real Blu-Rays finally. The Bride with White Hair is a masterpiece