Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just downgraded to HD from 4K on a regular basis.

I still read about that happening all the time in the iTunes forum. I’m glad it no longer affects me at all because I hated it.

Home alone went though this recently. I believe it still applies to the Goonies.

As long as someone suggests a guess as to when it will re upgrade, people are fine with it now. Home alone came back much earlier than the guess and I think the current guess for the Goonies is September.

Between that and keeping track of which movies are moving from one steaming service to another it’s all too much to keep track of in my opinion but I suppose it’s fun for some people.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

A far as a list? Nah - I leave that to you.

Facts and figures, you can't produce a list, you know it and I know it.

Here is one for you, attach rate. Want to wager who does best in this category, disc or EST.

[Wendell R. Breland]

More disc and EST info:

[Show spoiler]

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Flash Gordon on 4K disc is a revelation! One of the best releases of the year, IMO.

Comes Highly Recommended from Hi-Def Digest as well. Will put it in my basket soon!!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Comes Highly Recommended from Hi-Def Digest as well. Will put it in my basket soon!!

My first ever film at the cinema! Got in for free!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

All 15 height speakers are direct radiating and aimed at the sweet spot, so I had to get creative with some spacers for some locations to get it right. I did all the install in the room myself, but had help for the projector/lens as that works better with two people it seems.

Another . My ceiling speakers are JBL Pro's in ceiling, they are black, have a backer can and came with hardware to mount on a 2x2 suspended ceiling (mine, painted black). I procured 4 small bookshelf speakers, mounts, and a audio switcher with remote. I have some 2x2 plywood pieces to mount them on. Did this so I could do a AB test to see which ones I like best. Just need to get off my backside and get done.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If more people bought TV shows on disc then more shows would be released on disc and therefore more shows would be safe from censorship. That's why it's important to convince as many people as possible to buy discs.

Good luck with that.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

We have had quite a few examples of content being removed or edited lately. Some of you seem to be gleeful at the thought of physical media going away (especially one person in particular), but if it did then the studios would have absolute control over all content and they could do whatever they wanted.

I ask the digital supporters: how can you see studios being able to edit content and make titles unavailable to buy as a good thing?

No matter what you think studios own their content, and they can do what ever they want with it. We have all bought and upgraded our Movies countless times. It's their content and they can do what ever they want with it. You might own a Disc and it will work for a time, but when that new Format upgrade comes all you have is an Old Format!

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No matter what you think studios own their content, and they can do what ever they want with it. We have all bought and upgraded our Movies countless times. It's their content and they can do what ever they want with it. You might own a Disc and it will work for a time, but when that new Format upgrade comes all you have is an Old Format!

If it still works who cares. I still have laserdiscs and a player that works. But if one of your streaming movies is removed you have nothing, old or new.

And yes, they can do whatever they want with their content. But if I buy a particular version of a movie I expect to be able to retain the version I bought. No alterations, no changes. Just the product I spent my money for. With EST that is not a guarantee. They can change what you spent your money on whenever they want. I'm glad you enjoy bowing at the feet of your corporate overlords and giving them full control over what you watch. Me, I'm smart enough to make that decision on my own thank you.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You defend the studios' right to do whatever they want with their content? So if they removed a bunch of your favorite movies you'd be fine with that?

Would you? You make it sound like that Digital Content is yours and can't be changed just because it's on a Disc. That copy is on a Disc like a Server and can be changed at any time. That copy on a Server is like a copy on a Disc, it can't be changed at a drop of a hat. All my Movies and TV Shows are complete and nothing has ever been changed except to upgrade the Format!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Would you? You make it sound like that Digital Content is yours and can't be changed just because it's on a Disc. That copy is on a Disc like a Server and can be changed at any time. That copy on a Server is like a copy on a Disc, it can't be changed at a drop of a hat. All my Movies and TV Shows are complete and nothing has ever been changed except to upgrade the Format!

Actually, a copy on a server can be changed fast. You should already know this.

"What has changed is the mechanics of removal. In predigital days, taking an episode out of circulation meant cutting it from the syndicated rerun schedule and, behind the scenes, removing the physical tape masters and “servicing files” from their designated inventories and labeling them “out of service.”

"Nowadays, with most shows entirely shot and stored digitally, pulling one of them “is just to take the digital file down,” Simon said. An episode — or potentially an entire series — can be ordered down, fully removed from streaming and access-restricted in less than 24 hours."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/a...set%20managers

A movie on a disc that I own can not be changed by anyone ever. Anything on a remote server can be changed, or removed, at will by the owner of the content on that server. This is not a hard distinction to grasp.

Just because you have not lost anything, yet, in whole or in part, does not change the fact that it can happen. It has already happened to other people. With your digital collection, you own nothing. Everything that you bought is on someone else's server and you have zero control as to what happens with that content. The terms of service governing your digital purchases makes it quite plain that you have no rights, or recourse even, should content be edited or even outright removed.

Of course, you would not care even if it did happen to you. Cheap and convenient is all that matters with you. Artistic integrity of content is optional so long as you get a bargain.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I still read about that happening all the time in the iTunes forum. I’m glad it no longer affects me at all because I hated it.

Home alone went though this recently. I believe it still applies to the Goonies.

As long as someone suggests a guess as to when it will re upgrade, people are fine with it now. Home alone came back much earlier than the guess and I think the current guess for the Goonies is September.

Between that and keeping track of which movies are moving from one steaming service to another it’s all too much to keep track of in my opinion but I suppose it’s fun for some people.

The Goonies was upgraded to 4K DV temporarily in advance of the disc release (which I believe is next month), mistakes are made sometimes and they jump the gun. I think it was less than a day before it reverted to HD. The only people who would have any justification to be annoyed is the ones who purchased the movie as 4K DV during that short period.

Home Alone to my knowledge was always 4K and recently got upgraded with DV. These instances are rare. I have never noticed this happen to any movies in my iTunes collection, only the occasional upgrades.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Flash Gordon on 4K disc is a revelation! One of the best releases of the year, IMO.

My copy has been on order with Amazon since Monday, but they estimate that I won't get it until the 26th. This is another movie that I have bought for the fourth time having begun with laserdisc.

Upgrades are fun, but, in general, I think that I like adding altogether new titles to my collection a bit more. I sometimes feel like I am on a hamster wheel buying the same movie over and over.

[Steedeel]

I think I might start listing my DVDs. I have over a thousand But they are stored in cabinets and they aren’t part of my displayed collection.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's obviously very hard for alchav to grasp.

That one is clueless how disc and servers work. That post is living proof.

It is true that content providers may alter subsequent releases on disc or IPTV. The title Payback comes to mind, I had the DVD but sold it before receiving the BD. The BD version that I received had the color timing and the last chapter completely changed. I was so POed I sold the BD. Taught me a lesson, never get rid of a disc till you are satisfied with the subsequent version.

I got rid of all my LaserDisc because I ASSumed all the titles would be released on DVD. Was not to be, but at least I now have The Keep on DVD and in OAR rather than P&S I had on LaserDisc . Still have a few D-VHS D-Theater titles.

When I move on ALL of my physical media (CD, DVD, BD, UHD BD and D-Theater) can be distributed to family, friends and charity. All my IPTV content will become worthless unless I share info that I am not inclined to do.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think I might start listing my DVDs. I have over a thousand But they are stored in cabinets and they aren’t part of my displayed collection.

Just several months ago I just got rid of about 800 of my DVDs, those are the titles that I definitely will not watch ever again and/or which transfers are so bad it will give me headache watching in my home theatre. Sadly, however, at least 700 out of the 800 DVD titles are not available in streaming service if any kind (at least in Canada).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Just several months ago I just got rid of about 800 of my DVDs, those are the titles that I definitely will not watch ever again and/or which transfers are so bad it will give me headache watching in my home theatre. Sadly, however, at least 700 out of the 800 DVD titles are not available in streaming service if any kind (at least in Canada).

I started to buy a couple of DVDs recently for 70’s and 80’s UK horror series, stuff that has been confirmed not to get a HD release on Blu-ray.
Some really good stuff like the excellent ‘Ghost Stories For Christmas‘ that we’re so creepy.

I’m 99% Blu-ray/UHD but I haven’t given up on DVD, it’s a good source for older tv stuff that was shot on Video in the first place many times.

I chucked all my Entertainment In Video DVDs as they were so badly authored that I could see dancing pixels every other frame. A constant fluctuating pattern. It was only ever those studio’s discs.

I was delighted when I grabbed Halloween 2 on Blu-ray. The letterboxed DVD was dreadful. I’m sure it was shot on video. Absolutely dreadful, worse than the original video tape! How did they manage that?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My copy has been on order with Amazon since Monday, but they estimate that I won't get it until the 26th. This is another movie that I have bought for the fourth time having begun with laserdisc.

Upgrades are fun, but, in general, I think that I like adding altogether new titles to my collection a bit more. I sometimes feel like I am on a hamster wheel buying the same movie over and over.

I ordered Split Second on BD early Monday morning (3:30AM). Promised delivery was Wednesday. Delivered at 12 PM Noon.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That one is clueless how disc and servers work. That post is living proof.

It is true that content providers may alter subsequent releases on disc or IPTV. The title Payback comes to mind, I had the DVD but sold it before receiving the BD. The BD version that I received had the color timing and the last chapter completely changed. I was so POed I sold the BD. Taught me a lesson, never get rid of a disc till you are satisfied with the subsequent version.

I got rid of all my LaserDisc because I ASSumed all the titles would be released on DVD. Was not to be, but at least I now have The Keep on DVD and in OAR rather than P&S I had on LaserDisc . Still have a few D-VHS D-Theater titles.

When I move on ALL of my physical media (CD, DVD, BD, UHD BD and D-Theater) can be distributed to family, friends and charity. All my IPTV content will become worthless unless I share info that I am not inclined to do.

I bought the DVD Little Shop Of Horrors (remake) which when first released had an alternative ending in the special features. It seems said footage wasn't licensed properly and existing supply was pulled and a re-release was issued with the alt ending missing. Sold it for $100.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That one is clueless how disc and servers work. That post is living proof.

It is true that content providers may alter subsequent releases on disc or IPTV. The title Payback comes to mind, I had the DVD but sold it before receiving the BD. The BD version that I received had the color timing and the last chapter completely changed. I was so POed I sold the BD. Taught me a lesson, never get rid of a disc till you are satisfied with the subsequent version.

I got rid of all my LaserDisc because I ASSumed all the titles would be released on DVD. Was not to be, but at least I now have The Keep on DVD and in OAR rather than P&S I had on LaserDisc . Still have a few D-VHS D-Theater titles.

When I move on ALL of my physical media (CD, DVD, BD, UHD BD and D-Theater) can be distributed to family, friends and charity. All my IPTV content will become worthless unless I share info that I am not inclined to do.

I wish I had kept my Laserdisc player. It just felt so dated when DVD came along. Especially my Sony 735D with brushed metal finish, super smooth, super quiet DVD Loader and frame by frame jog shuttle controller. The ability to save frames from a movie as a background for my tv On the fly was so cool. I really felt the future had arrived (and it had).
Then Blu-ray came along and I could finally get a projector.