Skipping 4K and waiting for 8K?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by smithb

Except, I'm not waiting on anything. I'm enjoying plenty of content that isn't available on 4K UHD. My lack of upgrading is solely based on not being able to justify the hardware expense for what would account to less than 1% of my collection. If that situation ever changes, I will reconsider.

You do know most OLED TVs will give you the best HD presentation? Not just UHD. So, what's a couple of hundred moneys to get a UHD player?

Hardly a huge investment.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

You do know most OLED TVs will give you the best HD presentation? Not just UHD. So, what's a couple of hundred moneys to get a UHD player?

Hardly a huge investment.

And THEN comes the investment: 4K UHD-BDs. $20 a pop?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

And THEN comes the investment: 4K UHD-BDs. $20 a pop?

Yeah? But look at all the indie labels prices on HD Blu-rays.

[smithb]

Originally Posted by CHONK!

Then why are you in the 4K thread of this website, trying to justify your opinion to people who obviously like what 4K UHD has to offer?

If you can’t see the difference, that’s fine. If you can see the difference, but can’t justify the purchase, that’s fine too. But, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Enjoy your DVDs

I do not frequent the 4K forum, but as any active thread this one showed up in the general list of active conversations. I was just curious about the discussion on 8K and decided to see what was being said. And exactly why would you think respondents should be limited to only those that have currently adopted 4K? The title mentions "skipping 4K", which I have currently done but for other reasons that is worth noting when it comes to 8K since they are still valid reasons.

For any new or extension of a technology to succeed it has to have enough marketability to sell it. Based on what some others have said, the succession from DVD to Blu-ray to 4K UHD has shown that an 8K physical disk market is likely to not succeed, even if hardware would like to drive it towards one.

I never stated I couldn't see a difference, but as one who has had a projection system in a dedicated HT since 2004, I should be a prime candidate to perform such an upgrade. I do have 2000+ movies and some 200 TV series. The fact is 98% of my TV collection is DVD, and probably 40% of my movie collection is DVD. These percentages aren't by choice but what the market has made available to me.

Now I am also not in the current market to upgrade catalog titles from the 70's through 90's that have already been upgrade multiple times across formats. The 4K UHD facelift to many of these titles I'm sure is phenomenal. But for me, I'd rather see titles I've never seen or rarely seen then something for the 10th time. Unfortunately, my interests are not what is being sold in 4K. The titles I'm currently buying are just now making their entrance as blu-rays, a 4K UHD release would be way down the road, if ever.

So as an enthusiasts, if I'm not embracing 4K UHD at this time (and I'm sure I'm not alone in my situation) then how are enough ever going to embrace 8K? I've never once stated anything against 4K UHD or those that adopt it. I'm all for technical advancement regardless of whether I take advantage of it. I'm just offering an opinion that hadn't been brought up yet. My apologies if you feel that is barking up the wrong tree.

[Scottishguy]

Agreed UHD Blu-ray is going to have a much much smaller library than it's HD variant.

Aye I count HD Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray as just being the same thing, just variations. Both are excellent, and I don't grudge settling for an HD Blu-ray most of the time. Provided it has a healthy video bit rate average.

DvD I wonder what's the point in holding onto them. If I'm left with nothing but standard definition, then I can always rent from Amazon Prime.

[smithb]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

You do know most OLED TVs will give you the best HD presentation? Not just UHD. So, what's a couple of hundred moneys to get a UHD player?

Hardly a huge investment.

You may already get the gist from my last post, but if I'm going to upgrade it isn't to go up in one category to go down in another. It would need to be a native 4K projector, which is closer to $4k itself right now. Outside my budget for the content available of interest.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by smithb

You may already get the gist from my last post, but if I'm going to upgrade it isn't to go up in one category to go down in another. It would need to be a native 4K projector, which is closer to $4k itself right now. Outside my budget for the content available of interest.

Yeah I get that now. You've stated your position admirably. Just initially you were rather ambiguous.

Which invariably results in a butt kicking on these boards.

[smithb]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

DvD I wonder what's the point in holding onto them. If I'm left with nothing but standard definition, then I can always rent from Amazon Prime.

I have a lot of titles going back to the 1920's. I would agree when it comes to older highly popular classics (top 100 type) and popular titles from the 70's and up, but I have many titles that would likely never be available for streaming. Plus, I have the space and they are always accessible, so why not keep them.

[smithb]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Yeah I get that now. You've stated your position admirably. Just initially you were rather ambiguous.

Which invariably results in a butt kicking on these boards.

Point taken.

I didn't have time to get into a full post when first responding.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

DvD I wonder what's the point in holding onto them. If I'm left with nothing but standard definition, then I can always rent from Amazon Prime.

I have not upgraded to 4K nor will I. Personal choice. But I can tell you that anamorphic DVDs look great on my 55" Panasonic Plasma HDTV. Either my Sony BD player or the TV does a great job upscaling them to HD. Look as good as HD streaming does but not as good as HD OTA (or of course BD)

I'm lucky to have a store right near by who buys and sells discs. I pay 95 cents for a DVD and $3.95 for a BD. Playability guaranteed. 20 DVDs including tax is a bit over $20. I only buy anamorphic DVDs and have been since 1997 with only a few exceptions on TV show box sets I bought years ago. My DVD collection is well over 1000.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I have not upgraded to 4K nor will I. Personal choice. But I can tell you that anamorphic DVDs look great on my 55" Panasonic Plasma HDTV. Either my Sony BD player or the TV does a great job upscaling them to HD. Look as good as HD streaming does but not as good as HD OTA (or of course BD)

I'm lucky to have a store right near by who buys and sells discs. I pay 95 cents for a DVD and $3.95 for a BD. Playability guaranteed. 20 DVDs including tax is a bit over $20. I only buy anamorphic DVDs and have been since 1997 with only a few exceptions on TV show box sets I bought years ago. My DVD collection is well over 1000.

Seriously? You never stop posting graphs and charts

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

And THEN comes the investment: 4K UHD-BDs. $20 a pop?

Yes, but that is before selling off the digital code for $5-8 depending on the movie.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Seriously? You never stop posting graphs and charts

Ah . . . . I don't see any graphs and charts in my post. You need to make an appointment with your eye doctor - right away!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Yes, but that is before selling off the digital code for $5-8 depending on the movie.

Do all people who buy 4K BDs do that? Or just those here at BD.com?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Ah . . . . I don't see any graphs and charts in my post. You need to make an appointment with your eye doctor - right away!

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Do all people who buy 4K BDs do that? Or just those here at BD.com?

Just depends. Some people also use the codes in other set-ups, but there is a pretty big marketplace for it here and other sites.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Joce

I would not be surprised if 35mm productions could have benefits from a proper 8K restoration. We were saying for years that a 16mm OCN is equivalent to 2K and that any higher scan/restoration would be totally useless... We were totally wrong.

Er...but 16mm *is* equivalent to 2K at best. That's not to say that there aren't any benefits from oversampling that image with a 4K (or higher) scan and finish, but all you're getting is finer grain vs the 2K. Literally. Just look at the comparisons of the remastered German BD and UHD of Dog Soldiers on capsaholic.

Same deal with 4-perf 35: it tops out at 4K at the absolute maximum (and that's using a test card, not real world content with those pesky moving images) but ideally should be scanned at 6K minimum because of the oversampling.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

2001: A Space Odyssey’s 8K TV broadcast doesn’t quite go beyond the infinite

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...k-tv-nhk-japan

2001 isn't a good test to see more resolution, despite being shot on 70mm it just doesn't seem to carry oodles of resolution, even the 4k barely shows much more than HD

only some film stuff shows tons more detail and especially stuff shot on super top digital cameras with top lenses, in some of those cases 8k can be easily noticeable and 4k world's more detailed than 2k

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by TheBondFan

Difference between blu-ray and 4k is not that huge, so imagine difference between 4k and 8k.

the diff between blu-ray and UHD detail is beyond huge.... IF you watching something sourced in ideal fashion (NO 2k DIs, no scans of 35mm prints, no scans of original camera negative for stuff shot on certain stocks and with old, poor lenses banged around but instead shot on good film stock, with lots of care, lots of static scenes and less non-stop action, top quality lenses carefully handled or especially with >4k top line for detail modern video cameras and downscaled to 4k ideally; look at Passengers or 4k DCP of Last Christmas and compare to any 2k DI anything or any 35mm print, WORLD's more detail easily obvious)

heck just look at say the new 8k footage, shot carefully with a good lens from Canon 5R downscaled ideally to 4k and compare to ANY 2k/HD material and it looks world's more detailed, even on a 24" monitor it's worlds better.

and heck compare looking at digital photos on a 24" HD monitor compared to a 24" 4k ones, HUGE, tremendous difference.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by smithb

Except, I'm not waiting on anything. I'm enjoying plenty of content that isn't available on 4K UHD. My lack of upgrading is solely based on not being able to justify the hardware expense for what would account to less than 1% of my collection. If that situation ever changes, I will reconsider.

just watching regular HD blu-rays looks MILES better on say a UHD res OLED LG CX65 than on say a top line HD res Samsung 65" LCD, the upscale to 4k helps make things look better, the fine pixel pitch removes a ton of the blocky digital look of HD screens and the perfect blacks are a wow improvement