Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I know of several gamers who use Panasonic GZ2000 for gaming for the past 8 (or so) months, none of them experienced image retention yet. I just recalibrated their displays as they have hit 1,000 hours.

I've used my Sony A1 for gaming for nearly 3 years. I've had no issues with image burn-in.

[gotmule]

Since we are in the middle of down period for new releases on disc, I need to share that if you want to be pleasantly surprised by a well done lower budget war movie, I would highly recommend The Outpost. Solid movie based on a true story that definitely puts you in the middle of the action. If you want to test what your system can do, pop this one in and hang on. One of the better sounding war movies (without tanks) that I have heard.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-O...270203/#Review

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Since we are in the middle of down period for new releases on disc, I need to share that if you want to be pleasantly surprised by a well done lower budget war movie, I would highly recommend The Outpost. Solid movie based on a true story that definitely puts you in the middle of the action. If you want to test what your system can do, pop this one in and hang on. One of the better sounding war movies (without tanks) that I have heard.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-O...270203/#Review

Thanks.

Speaking of that down time, I have been pleasantly surprised by how easy I have built up my films this year. I thought it was going to be a struggle but the opposite is true.
I do things differently to other people and I buy all my films in December for the following year (normally 65) so I have a Blu-ray to watch every week on movie night plus several over Christmas. It’s worked out well this year except for the fact I have bought films throughout the year incase they go OOP as many are collector editions, limited edition back catalogue or speciality label releases. For example, I’m only now getting around to watching John Wick 3 THIS YEAR! (I avoid all spoilers) so titles like Parasite, The Invisible Man, 1917, The Lighthouse, Terminatorark Fate, Knives Out etc.. I will see next year. It means I’m a year behind with my films but it works for me. After March, I have been able to buy many catalogue titles as well as titles from labels like Criterion, Arrow, VS, Artificial Eye, BFI, Network etc..

The ones I’m most excited to watch are ‘Come And See’ (favourite of mine), The Painted Bird, The Woman In Black tv adaptation, Carnival Of Souls, It Couldn’t Happen Here (Pet Shop Boys), Invisible Man, 1917, The Lighthouse, Parasite, Under The Shadow, Texas Chainsaw 2, Zombie Flesh Eaters, Arctic, etc..

Bottom line, the titles just keep coming and I have already acquired 65 titles to watch next year plus a dozen special interest. That’s a mixture of 4K, Blu-ray and 1 DVD.

[bhampton]

I watched Flash Gordon on UHD BD after it was recommended in this thread.

One of the funnest UHD I have, so thanks for that.

[Lee A Stewart]

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1598597088

[Wendell R. Breland]

Funny how most of the media leaves out traditional pay TV when talking in terms of Home Entertainment spend.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Funny how most of the media leaves out traditional pay TV when talking in terms of Home Entertainment spend.

A decision was made a while ago by the DEG to add SVOD to it's reports. Prior to this addition their reports only included physical media: VHS, DVD & BD. The original name for the DEG was DVD Entertainment Group. This morphed to their current moniker: Digital Entertainment Group.

When this was done, many on forums rightly stated that SVOD has nothing to do with physical media. If you add SVOD you might as well add Pay-TV. They are lemons and limes as opposed to lemons and bricks (PM)

The DEG saw the handwriting on the wall: if you don't include SVOD you will have nothing to report on as the physical market peaked then began it long slide downward.

The numbers really haven't changed. It was $25 billion back in 2005. It's still $25 billion. All that happened is the money shifted line items on the reports.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

A decision was made a while ago by the DEG to add SVOD to it's reports. Prior to this addition their reports only included physical media: VHS, DVD & BD. The original name for the DEG was DVD Entertainment Group. This morphed to their current moniker: Digital Entertainment Group.

Don't remember all the details but someone used to report LaserDisc sales as well.

My problem is Home Entertainment spend, DEG, NPD and the media makes it look like the total spend is like the chart above which is very misleading.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Been 5 days since Vilya has posted, anyone know his status?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The numbers really haven't changed. It was $25 billion back in 2005. It's still $25 billion. All that happened is the money shifted line items on the reports.

I think you're getting a little sloppy with your figures.

The Digital Entertainment Group link below only goes back as far as 2011, but total home entertainment spending for each year was as follows:

2011: $18.041 billion
2012: $18.000 billion
2013: $18.220 billion
2014: $17.805 billion
2015: $18.073 billion
2016: $18.280 billion
2017: $20.494 billion
2018: $23.279 billion
2019: $25.167 billion
2020 as of mid year: $15.104 billion

Based upon the above figures, I am skeptical that 2005 brought in $25 billion; that figure was not achieved until last year.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

According to this source, 2005 saw $21.7 billion in total home entertainment spending (minus rental):

https://www.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=422

Not one year from 1999 to 2009 got above $21.8 billion.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Been 5 days since Vilya has posted, anyone know his status?

Speak of the ...

Still recuperating; I had more tests this week, so I've been busy with such matters.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Speak of the ...

Been recovering from episode 8 of Twin Peaks?

Seriously, good to see you back.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I think you're getting a little sloppy with your figures.

The Digital Entertainment Group link below only goes back as far as 2011, but total home entertainment spending for each year was as follows:

2011: $18.041 billion
2012: $18.000 billion
2013: $18.220 billion
2014: $17.805 billion
2015: $18.073 billion
2016: $18.280 billion
2017: $20.494 billion
2018: $23.279 billion
2019: $25.167 billion
2020 as of mid year: $15.104 billion

Based upon the above figures, I am skeptical that 2005 brought in $25 billion; that figure was not achieved until last year.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

According to this source, 2005 saw $21.7 billion in total home entertainment spending:

https://www.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=422

DEG Year-End DVD Sales Update; Industry Boosted by $21.2 Billion in Annual DVD Sales and Rentals; DVD Players in More Than 70 Million U.S. Homes

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...dustry-Boosted

Total home-video spending, including VHS sales and rentals, was $24.5 billion last year, up 9% from 2003.

https://www.billboard.com/articles//...ord-high-in-04

Spot on as I said

A little sloppy with your research Viya. You didn't go back far enough

[Lee A Stewart]

DVD Entertainment Group Re-Charters as Digital Entertainment Group; Expanded Mission Embraces DVD and Other Emerging Technologies

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...tainment-Group

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

DEG Year-End DVD Sales Update; Industry Boosted by $21.2 Billion in Annual DVD Sales and Rentals; DVD Players in More Than 70 Million U.S. Homes

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...dustry-Boosted

I provided exact year by year figures to three decimal places for the years 2011 thru mid year 2020 while you added a whole half billion to your figures for 2005 and you accuse me of being sloppy.

$24.5 billion is NOT $25 billion. When citing statistics, accuracy matters and you were not "spot on"; you are still off by half a billion.

2019 is the only year to hit that $25 billion figure. Your post implied that total home entertainment spending was fairly static over the years and that was not the case.

As you are the one maintaining the Home Video Sales thread, you above all people should post accurate statistics.

The link that I used for the figures from 1999 to 2005 said their data came from the Digital Entertainment Group and that is a source that we both cite regularly. This link does not include rentals.

https://www.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=422

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Still not $25 billion in 2005 as you had stated. 2019 is the only year to hit that figure. Your post implied that total home entertainment spending was fairly static over the years and that was not the case.

As you are the one maintaining the Home Video Sales thread, you above all people should post accurate statistics.

The link that I used for the figures from 1999 to 2005 said their data came from the Digital Entertainment Group and that is a source that we both cite regularly.

https://www.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=422

You quoted me too soon. You missed:

Total home-video spending, including VHS sales and rentals, was $24.5 billion last year, up 9% from 2003.

https://www.billboard.com/articles//...ord-high-in-04

Spot on as I said

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You quoted me too soon. You missed my edit addition:

Total home-video spending, including VHS sales and rentals, was $24.5 billion last year, up 9% from 2003.

https://www.billboard.com/articles//...ord-high-in-04

Spot on as I said

"Spot on" means exact.

Being off by a half billion is hardly "spot on." Statistical data is only worthwhile when cited accurately. Total home entertainment spending had not reached $25 billion until 2019; the 8 years preceding, 2011-2018, were all substantially lower than that.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

"Spot on" means exact.

No need to post your reply twice, but being off by a half billion is hardly "spot on." Statistical data is only worthwhile when cited accurately. Total home entertainment spending had not reached $25 billion until 2019; the 8 years preceding, 2011-2018, were all substantially lower than that.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

Of course you didn't want to be proven wrong so you grasp at a straw like that. Petty Vilya - real petty.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Of course you didn't want to be proven wrong so you grasp at a straw like that. Petty Vilya - real petty.

What you call being "petty" I call statistical integrity. You provide this data in the Home Video Sales thread and you above everyone else should ALWAYS be accurate and not lazily rounding numbers up when it suits your purpose. The numbers need to be "spot on" and yours were not, plain and simple.

Your larger point was that home entertainment spending was largely unchanged and that is not true.

Total home entertainment spending is up 39.499% comparing 2011 to 2019. Total home entertainment spending was largely flat hovering around $18 billion each year from 2011 thru 2016. Substantial growth started to occur with year 2017 and it has grown every year since.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

As you are the one maintaining the Home Video Sales thread, you above all people should post accurate statistics.

The Home Video Sales thread charts show percentages not actual numbers so I wouldn't call them "accurate statistics."

If you want to split hairs, my amended data: $24.5B versus $25B . . . that's 98% correct. More accurate than what you showed.