Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

When his earlier attempts didn’t work, he had a go at people’s lifestyles (presumably because he has took up fitness) like it’s any of his business.
He might alter his approach next time and come in with a new angle but I’m tempted to make him my first ever ignored member.

We can all have our different opinions without taking it to that place. I feel that family is off limits no matter what. Attacking how someone spends their time is part of that.

I wish I could thank your post twice.

[Vilya]

One person has deliberately made this thread toxic over the last few days, probably in the hopes of getting it locked/closed or, worse, hoping to provoke someone, anyone, into getting themselves banned. I have seldom seen so many members this angry and it is all in response to the posts of that same person.

It is okay to criticize streaming. It is okay to criticize physical media. It is okay to predict the future of home video and to have that prediction criticized as well.

But we criticize each other at our peril. See the third rule listed in the forum rules:

"No bashing other members."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/faq.php?fa...forumrulesfull

I have paid the price for ignoring that rule. The price increases with each violation.

[oak table]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

The current state of the thread is a shadow of it's former self, and is now dominated by 6 or so phyiscal media extremists

Physical media extremists, that is the funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks!

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slimjean

What is with these silly assumptions and taking it to a personal level? You are not going to find ANY junk at my house bud. While not every bluray is going to be like the 4K Shining, there is still tons of research going into what I own and this goes back to every format possible. Actually out of everything you have written I get the most offended by this. If you knew the projects I have been working on and my quest to squeeze every last bit of quality I can to get accuracy, you would be apologizing real quick.

Well this certainly went over your head... Not a great start with this poor comprehension. I wasn't referring to Blu-ray's and 4K, it was referring to everything that you own in your home. So is everything you own in your home of the absolute highest quality, and there is nothing better? What I was saying with that is, that we all value different things on different levels, and while you may choose what is generally considered to be the highest quality option for movies, there is no doubt that there would be other things that streamers place a higher value on than you, and own that is better quality than what you have. For some of these products, like people that stream, you are probably happy with what you have and think that they are good enough... There is not enough of a difference between what you have and a more expensive higher quality product, for you to justify spending more on. There are also instances where we do own lesser quality products, that is the best that we can afford, and we do convince ourselves that they are just as good as something better... No doubt some streamer do this, are you not human, have you not had this feeling before with anything? Should you be put down for any crappy quality choices with the products that you have made in your home, like people do in this thread to streamers for their choices?

I'll address the remainder of your post a bit later, I don't have the time at the moment... Perhaps you might want to go over it again before I do, seeing as though your comprehension skills are not up to par, which I can see is the case with other things you have said in response to my comments.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Well this certainly went over your head... Not a great start with this poor comprehension. I wasn't referring to Blu-ray's and 4K, it was referring to everything that you own in your home.

You are jumping back and forth not even sticking to your own point. I understood what you were from the first response. Don't bother finishing, it isn't clever at all. It is trollish.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slimjean

You are jumping back and forth not even sticking to your own point. I understood what you were from the first response. Don't bother finishing, it isn't clever at all. It is trollish.

How am I jumping back and forth with that point, I said this:

Originally Posted by Cevolution

What exactly do and have you, and Vilya, brought to the table? Hopefully one day, you'll actually follow through, and provide some detailed specifics of all of these titles that you make out that you have compared the disc to the streaming versions of... That may turn into a very embarrassing day for you

I'm not sure why you response to that actually, it was directed at Steedeel, and Vilya, and was simply meaning that based on what I have seen from them and my interactions I've had with them in this thread, that I don't believe that they possess the skills that they try to give off that they have when it comes to assessing these things very well, and that I think that they are incapable of presenting anything in great detail from first hand experience... And if they were to, that they may end up embarrassed if someone else that has also compared the same content posts about it. When asked, they can't answer, why not? Just go back a few months and check Steedeel's response when I asked him about banding on the UK discs of Midsommar, it was a few words that didn't tell me anything. For 2 people that are so boisterous in this thread, I expect more from them, I think that they should be able to actually elaborate, by listing detailed issues in specific scenes and frames. I'm not sure why you are defending them and think that they shouldn't need to... It wasn't directed at you or anyone else, or an insult to your expertise, it was an insult on theirs. Anyway, contining on... You responded to that post of mine with the following post:

Originally Posted by slimjean

What is there to compare? Besides the blatant fact that they visually have all kinds of compression artifacts, streaming versions are often up to 1/4 the file size.

What is disturbing is that there are people that understand this, see the difference, and still claim streaming is better.

Seems to be a trend with physical haters. Good riddance. I say let them think that way.

Meanwhile back in reality, besides very few exceptions, your best quality experience will be with what is bought and sitting on a shelf, not what you are enslaved to while having the studio decide what you can or can't see for an ongoing monthley fee.

I responded to this... The following paragraph below is what I said in response to the bolded part:

Originally Posted by Cevolution

That's just human nature... Not everyone can afford the same, and people do convince themselves that a cheaper lower quality option is just as good as higher quality product. If I were come to your place, no doubt I could find heaps of junk, where there is something better, but you're happy with what you have. In some of these instances, you may think there is no or hardly any difference in the quality of what you have bought, compared to a more expensive higher quality product, and that the more costly item is not value for money.

You then response with this, clearly miscomprehending it:

Originally Posted by slimjean

What is with these silly assumptions and taking it to a personal level? You are not going to find ANY junk at my house bud. While not every bluray is going to be like the 4K Shining, there is still tons of research going into what I own and this goes back to every format possible. Actually out of everything you have written I get the most offended by this. If you knew the projects I have been working on and my quest to squeeze every last bit of quality I can to get accuracy, you would be apologizing real quick.

Then I responded making you aware that you misunderstood this:

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Well this certainly went over your head... Not a great start with this poor comprehension. I wasn't referring to Blu-ray's and 4K, it was referring to everything that you own in your home. So is everything you own in your home of the absolute highest quality, and there nothing better? What I was saying with that is, that we all value different things on different levels, and while you may choose what is generally considered to be the highest quality option for movies, there is no doubt that there would be other things that streamers place a higher value on than you, and own that is better quality than what you have. For some of these products, like people that stream, you are probably happy with what you have and think that they are good enough... There is not enough of a difference between what you have and a more expensive higher quality product, for you to justify spending more on. There are also instances where we do own lesser quality products, that is the best that we can afford, and we do convince ourselves that they are just as good as something better... No doubt some streamer do this, are you not human, have you not had this feeling before with anything? Should you be put down for any crappy quality choices with the products that you have made in your home, like people do in this thread to streamers for their choices?

I'll address the remainder of your post a bit later, I don't have the time at the moment... Perhaps you might want to go over it again before I do, seeing as though your comprehension skills are not up to par, which I can see is the case with other things you have said in response to my comments.

Highlight where I have jumped back and forth on that point?... You miscomprehending it plain and simple, and later on, I will pick a part the rest of your long winded post from earlier today. I might start referring to you as Charlie Sheen - since you think you're "Winning", when you're actually not.

[JohnAV]

Would everyone please stop responding to him. You have nothing to prove, let it go.

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain.

[bhampton]

I wonder how Mulan did ushering in Disney++

I wonder if more movies will be offered as a temporary rental on a premium service. This used to sound like something new but I suppose there really isn’t anything new about it.

I was concerned Black Widow would be released this way as well but then I heard Mulan is going to UHD disc in two months and then I wasn’t as concerned because it’s coming to disc and quite quickly.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I wonder how Mulan did ushering in Disney++

I wonder if more movies will be offered as a temporary rental on a premium service. This used to sound like something new but I suppose there really isn’t anything new about it.

I was concerned Black Widow would be released this way as well but then I heard Mulan is going to UHD disc in two months and then I wasn’t as concerned because it’s coming to disc and quite quickly.

Seven days ago this was reported.

Disney's 'Mulan' Scores $33.5 Million In Streaming Labor Day Release: Industry Estimate - Mediapost 9/9/20

Walt Disney’s “Mulan” -- a major planned theatrical-movie release that shifted to a streaming release due to the pandemic -- reaped big results this Labor Day weekend.

Samba TV, a viewer tracking company for smart TVs, says the movie, which is running on Disney+, pulled in an estimated $33.5 million in revenue, and was seen in some 1.12 million U.S. TV homes.

These results are based on the “Mulan” $29.99 price tag under Disney+’s “Premium Access” service, Samba TV says.

Haven’t seen any more data yet. International Theaters earned $37.6 million the last weekend. 11th it opened in China. IMHO I don’t expect Disney to use this approach again.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slimjean

WOW, that was harsh.

Originally Posted by slimjean

No I don't think there is a whole lot we have in common at all, and number one on that list is how you have treated me because I state my opinion

Going through your post history, the above quotes are from a disagreement that you have previously had with Vilya... Even you weren't happy with how Vilya has treated and attacked you in the past, when you first made appearance in this thread. Ultimately, that's what lead to all of this happening. I see Vilya and Steedeel attack and ganging up on people regularly in this thread, it's been going on for far too long... Vilya did it to you, and you weren't happy about it, but yet you are defending him now, when my issue is exactly the same as yours was with him.

[bhampton]

Some insight to Mulan and other coming movies like Black Widow and No Time To Die.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...173043303.html

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I wonder how Mulan did ushering in Disney++

I wonder if more movies will be offered as a temporary rental on a premium service. This used to sound like something new but I suppose there really isn’t anything new about it.

I was concerned Black Widow would be released this way as well but then I heard Mulan is going to UHD disc in two months and then I wasn’t as concerned because it’s coming to disc and quite quickly.

I’m hoping for the same with Tenet. A UHD would be a nice Christmas treat!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Some insight to Mulan and other coming movies like Black Widow and No Time To Die.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...173043303.html

I think Bond will be shifted to Easter 2021.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think Bond will be shifted to Easter 2021.

I sure hope not.

Almost every Bond film has come out near the third week of November.

I think there was a single Summer release, I would have to look it up. Not really having luck doing that. A few recent ones were October.

I guess it doesn’t matter. I love the bond movies and just hope it goes well whenever.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I sure hope not.

Almost every Bond film has come out near the third week of November.

I think there was a single Summer release, I would have to look it up.

I’m with you, I was hoping to have the UHD by my birthday (April)

I just have a nagging feeling.

I’m a big Bond fan but I have been enjoying the last 3 MI films just as much.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m with you, I was hoping to have the UHD by my birthday (April)

I just have a nagging feeling.

I’m a big Bond fan but I have been enjoying the last 3 MI films just as much.

MI series is one of my favorites, but I think it started getting great with the third one with Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

MI series is one of my favorites, but I think it started getting great with the third one with Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Yeah, I agree. TC has his critics but that guy is great value for money. I’m rather fond of Rebecca Ferguson also. (Cough)

[stonesfan129]

The reason I criticize digital is the flawed 'ownership' model. For example, I don't like the idea that you never really have control over the content you paid for. I personally do not think they should be able to call it a 'purchase' unless you control the content. The quality loss compared to a physical disc doesn't really make much of a difference to me because I don't have a high-end home theater anyway. I just don't like going to watch something and having it be missing from my library because I bought it with an Instawatch code from a sketchy website.

I would have more interest in downloads if they released them the way music is - without the DRM.


As for No Time To Die, I am really hoping we do not have to wait until spring 2021 to see it. But given what a disaster the production/release has been, that wouldn't surprise me at this point. I think they really need to hire some better writers. I'm another who feels the Mission Impossible series is getting to be better than the Bond series.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

The reason I criticize digital is the flawed 'ownership' model. For example, I don't like the idea that you never really have control over the content you paid for. I personally do not think they should be able to call it a 'purchase' unless you control the content. The quality loss compared to a physical disc doesn't really make much of a difference to me because I don't have a high-end home theater anyway. I just don't like going to watch something and having it be missing from my library because I bought it with an Instawatch code from a sketchy website.

I would have more interest in downloads if they released them the way music is - without the DRM.


As for No Time To Die, I am really hoping we do not have to wait until spring 2021 to see it. But given what a disaster the production/release has been, that wouldn't surprise me at this point. I think they really need to hire some better writers. I'm another who feels the Mission Impossible series is getting to be better than the Bond series.

Casino Royale and Skyfall were good imo. Didn’t care for the other two.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Been watching the series The Punisher on Netflix and the data rates have been 11.35 Mbps for the UHD version. Last night season 2, episode 11 streamed at 19.23 Mbps. That is the first time I have ever saw Netflix exceed 16 Mbps.

Makes one wonder if this is in response to the bad press they have received in regards to low data rates for their content. This is just one example of one show out of thousands so it does not mean much at this time.