Pioneer Elite BDP-LX500

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

It seems that when OPPO Digital went out of business, they sold their player technology to Pioneer. The UDP-LX500 and OPPO UDP-203 use the same chipset.

Do you have a mainstream/press source for that information? If so, I had not read that.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by ronboster

Do you have a mainstream/press source for that information? If so, I had not read that.

If you set up both players with displays side by side, you will find the Pioneer's interface strikingly similar to that of the OPPO. Both players' front displays read "BDMV" followed by "UHD BD" when an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc is inserted. When using A-B repeat, the "A-B" are in the same font and size and appear in the same spot. Watch HDTVTest’s review.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

If you set up both players with displays side by side, you will find the Pioneer's interface strikingly similar to that of the OPPO. Both players' front displays read "BDMV" followed by "UHD BD" when an Ultra HD Blu-ray is inserted.

That could just be coincidental; I'd ask that "former" oppo beta tester guy, you know, JohnAV. He might know the answer more conclusively.

[johndoyle123]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a new UHD player to replace the LX500. Optical disc is just about dead. Samsung departure from the Blu ray disc market was the first nail in the coffin. I LOL at people that believe there will be any such thing as an 8K UHD Blu Ray player, there really isn't a market for it.

Some Absolute dribble this is fair play

Disc market is many times the size of the physical music market and yet that’s had obsolete status for almost 20 years now and yet it endured and grows again. Enthusiast markets aren’t going anywhere, pioneer makes various obscure niche products from sacd onward. To say there won’t be disc players is purely idiotic but anyone making a statement that a 7+ billion dollar market is dead probably already knows the intention they had making the dumb comment

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

It seems that when OPPO Digital went out of business, they sold their player technology to Pioneer. The UDP-LX500 and OPPO UDP-203 use the same chipset.

You have vivid imagination and a distinct lack of factual information.

Oppo Digital (USA) was a overseas independent hardware design division of Chinese company BBK Electronics, sharing the brand name oppo with Oppo Electronics which manufactured Oppo Digital players. Oppo Digital years back partnered with Mediatek to develop custom SoCs for their players. Mediatek makes the SoC's that were used in the Pioneer Electronics. They also do for Sony. Oppo Digital has now gone to a being service warrantyprovider continuing to provide/sell warrantys and sell some products/accessories that for their consumers. Oppo Electronics has 40,000 employees selling products in 40 countries which what left of Oppo Digital is their USA beachhead still if they wish to return to being active.

Try not to make up stuff next time.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

If you set up both players with displays side by side, you will find the Pioneer's interface strikingly similar to that of the OPPO. Both players' front displays read "BDMV" followed by "UHD BD" when an Ultra HD Blu-ray is inserted. When using A-B repeat, the “A-B” are in the same font and size and appear in the same spot. Watch HDTVTest’s review.

The menu of MediaTek comes with a default GUI structure, which each manufacture of players can expand to their increased functionality based on the player.

Sony, Cambridge Audio, Oppo, Pioneer are all examples of using MTK Soc's where you would see this looking at top menus. But Oppo for example had a lot of images when you were flipping modes, with Sony, Cambridge Audio, and Pioneer didn't.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The menu of MediaTek comes with a default GUI structure, which each manufacture of players can expand to their increased functionality based on the player.

Sony, Cambridge Audio, Oppo, Pioneer are all examples of using MTK Soc's where you would see this looking at top menus. But Oppo for example had a lot of images when you were flipping modes, with Sony, Cambridge Audio, and Pioneer didn't.

So THAT’S why they all have the same font for their GUI! I learn something new every day.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

It seems that when OPPO Digital went out of business, they sold their player technology to Pioneer. The UDP-LX500 and OPPO UDP-203 use the same chipset.

Originally Posted by BijouMan

If you set up both players with displays side by side, you will find the Pioneer's interface strikingly similar to that of the OPPO. Both players' front displays read "BDMV" followed by "UHD BD" when an Ultra HD Blu-ray is inserted. When using A-B repeat, the “A-B” are in the same font and size and appear in the same spot. Watch HDTVTest’s review.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The menu of MediaTek comes with a default GUI structure, which each manufacture of players can expand to their increased functionality based on the player.

Sony, Cambridge Audio, Oppo, Pioneer are all examples of using MTK Soc's where you would see this looking at top menus. But Oppo for example had a lot of images when you were flipping modes, with Sony, Cambridge Audio, and Pioneer didn't.

Originally Posted by BijouMan

So THAT’S why they all have the same font for their GUI! I learn something new every day.

So you did not read that in an industry publication or a news release from oppo or Pioneer that oppo sold their technology to Pioneer? You just assumed it was the case and/or made it up?

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by ronboster

So you did not read that in an industry publication or a news release from oppo or Pioneer? You just assumed it was the case and/or made it up?

You see, I am a very logical person and I thought it was the case because of how similar the interfaces looked, especially the info screen that shows up when you hold the DISPLAY or INFO button for two seconds on either the Pioneer or the OPPO respectively.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

You see, I am a very logical person...

Umm... 🤔

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

You see, I am a very logical person and I thought it was the case because of how similar the interfaces looked, especially the info screen that shows up when you hold the DISPLAY or INFO button for two seconds on either the Pioneer or the OPPO respectively.

Long way to say you made it up.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by johndoyle123

Some Absolute dribble this is fair play

Disc market is many times the size of the physical music market and yet that’s had obsolete status for almost 20 years now and yet it endured and grows again. Enthusiast markets aren’t going anywhere, pioneer makes various obscure niche products from sacd onward. To say there won’t be disc players is purely idiotic but anyone making a statement that a 7+ billion dollar market is dead probably already knows the intention they had making the dumb comment

You're walking around with blinders on if you can't see that optical disc on the way out. Let me say again, you won't see any 8K Blu Players.

[Vilya]

^What's the matter? Did you give up on trying to scare people away from OLED TVs? Now you are beating the funeral drum for "optical disc" instead? We've all heard this tune before as this song has been sung for at least seven years in a row now.

What does 8K content have to do with this thread? There are plenty of threads dedicated to 8K. No movie and no TV studio has shown any interest in providing 8K content for any method of distribution, not by disc nor by streaming. If you want to talk about something that is ultra niche then 8K TVs fit that description and 8K content even more so, but this thread is not the place for those discussions.

This thread is about one very specific make and model of 4K disc player.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

^What's the matter? Did you give on trying to scare people away from OLED TVs? Now you are beating the funeral drum for "optical disc" instead? We've all heard this tune before as this song has been sung for at least seven years in a row now.

What does 8K content have to do with this thread? There are plenty of threads dedicated to 8K. No movie and no TV studio has shown any interest in providing 8K content for any method of distribution, not by disc nor by streaming. If you want to talk about something that is ultra niche then 8K TVs fit that description and 8K content even more so, but this thread is not the place for those discussions.

This thread is about one very specific make and model of 4K disc player.

8K is relevant because 8K is the next big thing in HDTV. However, that next big thing won't be carried on a disc. Why, because the disc is on the way out.

If the disc had a future, the studios would be ramping up 8K UHD disc for purchase, and hardware manufacturers would be making announcements about up and coming UHD Blu Ray players. That should be clear to you if you follow the market trends, for example, at the 2020 CES, there wasn't an announcement from a single manufacturer about a new UHD Blu Player, not one. Like I said before, don't hold your breath waiting for an announcement from Pioneer about a new UHD disc player.



"CES 2020 had TVs, robots, cars, and vacuum cleaners, but UHD Blu-ray players were missing. It is even more remarkable that almost nobody seemed to notice their absence."

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1579085840

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

8K is relevant because 8K is the next big thing in HDTV. However, that next big thing won't be carried on a disc. Why, because the disc is on the way out.

If the disc had a future, the studios would be ramping up 8K UHD disc for purchase, and hardware manufacturers would be making announcements about up and coming UHD Blu Ray players. That should be clear to you if you follow the market trends, for example, at the 2020 CES, there wasn't an announcement from a single manufacturer about a new UHD Blu Player, not one. Like I said before, don't hold your breath waiting for an announcement from Pioneer about a new UHD disc player.



"CES 2020 had TVs, robots, cars, and vacuum cleaners, but UHD Blu-ray players were missing. It is even more remarkable that almost nobody seemed to notice their absence."

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1579085840

8K is irrelevant to this thread and to most consumers. You are always fixated about what "most" people want and 8K TVs aren't it. 8K may be the next thing in premium TVs, but there is nothing "big" about it except for the screen sizes necessary to see any advantage in owning one. All you are getting is a barely perceptible uptick in resolution.

You like to see new announcements, do you? Where are the announcements from any movie studio indicating that they are prepping anything to release in 8K? There are no such announcements. Without actual 8K content, 8K is dead before arrival. Enjoy streaming your 8K cat videos on youtube.

Cat Purring | 8K VIDEO - YouTube

Tascam is releasing a new 4K disc player next year, but it is designed for professional applications.

There are almost no new 4K disc players being announced because there is no need for new models. By and large existing models work just fine. Manufacturers do not design and manufacture new 4K disc players without cause. Unless there is some new innovation that requires a change in hardware to implement, they continue to offer their existing models. Even during oppo's heyday, they did not release new blu-ray players every single year; they released a new model when there was some significant improvement to justify it.

A better barometer for the future of discs is the fact that each year we have been seeing more titles released each year for all three formats: DVD, blu-ray, and 4K UHD. The year 2020 might be an exception as the pandemic has resulted in very few brand new movies being released. Box office performance and disc sales have always been joined at the hip.

We have, however seen a LOT of catalog releases this year. This bountiful number of titles being released would not happen if discs were the lost cause that you seem to want them to be. The studios and their licensees make 'em because enough people buy discs to still earn a decent profit.

All in all you seem to relish your role as a wet blanket. You have spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to frighten people away from OLED TVs without success. Now, you think that you can alarm us by telling us that discs are doomed. Do you really think that there is anyone left on these forums who has not heard this perpetually renewed prophesy? I've been hearing it since at least 2014 and my collection somehow just continues to grow.

If someone posted that they got a new puppy, you would be the one to tell them that that breed has a short lifespan. It's what you do for fun: rain on people's parades.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

"CES 2020 had TVs, robots, cars, and vacuum cleaners, but UHD Blu-ray players were missing. It is even more remarkable that almost nobody seemed to notice their absence."]

CES is no longer the grand consumer show with product announcements. Thats gone. The show got too expensive to stage, and cost of rooms was prohibited. Nevermind the pandemic that made the show closed this 2021 with some online conferences and demos. IFA Berlin was 1/50 of the grand show this year and that's where all gets introduced with some stuff at CEDIA shown/announced which was closed because the hall was used for pandemic support. Needless too say all those tech rumor web sites making a deal about new products missing from CES don't know what they are talking about.

Most companies have gone the route that Apple does, stage online event, and announce products.

[Tenny80]

Anyone know of any good reviews comparing these or oppo to an Xbox one X or even better the new series x?

My one X has the disc starting to fail and I am debating on what I want for my next player. I use it for 90% video, but I do play the occasional game.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

CES is no longer the grand consumer show with product announcements. Thats gone. The show got too expensive to stage, and cost of rooms was prohibited. Nevermind the pandemic that made the show closed this 2021 with some online conferences and demos. IFA Berlin was 1/50 of the grand show this year and that's where all gets introduced with some stuff at CEDIA shown/announced which was closed because the hall was used for pandemic support. Needless too say all those tech rumor web sites making a deal about new products missing from CES don't know what they are talking about.

Most companies have gone the route that Apple does, stage online event, and announce products.

OK, so tell us, at which one of those events was an announcement made about new UHD Blu Players? Yeah, I thought so.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

8K is irrelevant to this thread and to most consumers. You are always fixated about what "most" people want and 8K TVs aren't it. 8K may be the next thing in premium TVs, but there is nothing "big" about it except for the screen sizes necessary to see any advantage in owning one. All you are getting is a barely perceptible uptick in resolution.

You like to see new announcements, do you? Where are the announcements from any movie studio indicating that they are prepping anything to release in 8K? There are no such announcements. Without actual 8K content, 8K is dead before arrival. Enjoy streaming your 8K cat videos on youtube.

Cat Purring | 8K VIDEO - YouTube

Tascam is releasing a new 4K disc player next year, but it is designed for professional applications.

There are almost no new 4K disc players being announced because there is no need for new models. By and large existing models work just fine. Manufacturers do not design and manufacture new 4K disc players without cause. Unless there is some new innovation that requires a change in hardware to implement, they continue to offer their existing models. Even during oppo's heyday, they did not release new blu-ray players every single year; they released a new model when there was some significant improvement to justify it.

A better barometer for the future of discs is the fact that each year we have been seeing more titles released each year for all three formats: DVD, blu-ray, and 4K UHD. The year 2020 might be an exception as the pandemic has resulted in very few brand new movies being released. Box office performance and disc sales have always been joined at the hip.

We have, however seen a LOT of catalog releases this year. This bountiful number of titles being released would not happen if discs were the lost cause that you seem to want them to be. The studios and their licensees make 'em because enough people buy discs to still earn a decent profit.

All in all you seem to relish your role as a wet blanket. You have spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to frighten people away from OLED TVs without success. Now, you think that you can alarm us by telling us that discs are doomed. Do you really think that there is anyone left on these forums who has not heard this perpetually renewed prophesy? I've been hearing it since at least 2014 and my collection somehow just continues to grow.

If someone posted that they got a new puppy, you would be the one to tell them that that breed has a short lifespan. It's what you do for fun: rain on people's parades.

I see you're wrongfully taking what I have been saying personally, you shouldn't. I've only been stating the facts. Optical Disc sales, (i.e. UHD, Blu Ray, DVD, CD, etc.) have been and are in a steady decline. I'm not making that up to try to discourage anyone from purchasing UHD disc or any other optical format, those are just the facts I'm citing.

With that said, the question is, why would manufacturers continue to produce optical disc when the public is turning away from hard disc and going to streaming for their content. The current pandemic has really shifted that trend even more. We've already witnessed this type a paradigm shift happen with music, as the CD was abandoned in favor of streaming music. Today, with high bit rate streaming service (lossless audio) there is no need for a physical disc to get quality audio. Today, you would be hard-pressed to find any companies manufacturing stand-alone CD players like in years past. The CD player and the optical disc is now obsolete.

The next thing we might gradually start seeing are studios getting away hard disc release. It was already rumored that Disney had planned to cease supporting hard disc release. However, they did address that rumor with a kind of cryptic denial.

As for OLED, I own an OLED and have another one being delivered to me. I acknowledge that OLED has the best picture of the current display technologies. However, I'm not going to be a blind OLED fanboy and not critic the technology when it can be better. OLEDs do burn-in and they do crush blacks, those are just facts.

[smithb]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I've only been stating the facts. Optical Disc sales, (i.e. UHD, Blu Ray, DVD, CD, etc.) have been and are in a steady decline. I'm not making that up to try to discourage anyone from purchasing UHD disc or any other optical format, those are just the facts I'm citing.

Yes, on the decline from its heyday. Everything has a lifespan. However, the more important point is not that there is a decline, but when the decline results in basically the end of the product. Instead of stating the obvious, give us a projection that can be debated?

Personally, I think physical media has at least another two or three decades of mainstream sales. There will still be plenty of consumer interest, and studios are not going to ignore the income that can be generated from physical media sales.