Warner Sending Entire 2021 Slate to HBO Max and Theaters.

[Rayjg]

Too bad about Dune. They should’ve just focused on making the best film possible rather than this nonsense of breaking it up into 2 or even 3 films like the Harry Potter and Hobbit adaptations. That or just make it a HBO series to begin with. Now we are probably stuck with what’s basically half a film.

[Fang Zei]

Studios will drastically reduce their expectations for the next year or so of what’s considered a hit, a flop, or a modest success.

Dune could still end up doing alright for itself considering it will be the only thing WB releases next year that isn’t yet another “been there, done that” installment of an existing, long-running franchise. Audiences will want something new and completely unlike they’ve ever seen before, and I think it might have the same effect FotR did post-9/11.

[Star Lord]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

Also, I can't help but only think of all these movies being so easily pirated. This seems like a really stupid idea to be totally real.

Yeah maybe piracy isn't that big in US now like it was at one time, but rest of the world still pirates stuff.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

Studios will drastically reduce their expectations for the next year or so of what’s considered a hit, a flop, or a modest success.

Dune could still end up doing alright for itself considering it will be the only thing WB releases next year that isn’t yet another “been there, done that” installment of an existing, long-running franchise. Audiences will want something new and completely unlike they’ve ever seen before, and I think it might have the same effect FotR did post-9/11.

It's a remake of a movie that was considered a disappointment in theaters. It isn't something new. It's a retread.

[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by captveg

I don't see it hurting the production values of the visual effects for The Mandalorian.

Mandalorian is using a revolutionary FX technique, and still costs around $15 million per episode.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by sandman slim

Mandalorian is using a revolutionary FX technique, and still costs around $15 million per episode.

And like on average a 32 min episode, so basically 15 mil for half an episode.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by slumcat

And like on average a 32 min episode, so basically 15 mil for half an episode.

I'll call BS on that one:

S2E1: 52 minutes
S2E2: 40 minutes
S2E3: 35 minutes
S2E4: 37 minutes
S2E5: 45 minutes
S2E6: 32 minutes

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11150494/?ref_=tt_ep_pr

[Sawasdee1983]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I'll call BS on that one:

S2E1: 52 minutes
S2E2: 40 minutes
S2E3: 35 minutes
S2E4: 37 minutes
S2E5: 45 minutes
S2E6: 32 minutes

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11150494/?ref_=tt_ep_pr

But you have to at least cut off 5 Minutes of each episode, because of the Summary what happens in the Last Episodes in the Beginnung of each Episode and the very long Credits in the End of Each Episode

[The Fish]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

Also, I can't help but only think of all these movies being so easily pirated. This seems like a really stupid idea to be totally real.

It‘s going to kill WB off if they don’t get their arse in gear and sort out a day one global release platform for these movies. People are not going to wait an extra months outside the US when 5 hours after it’s on HBO Max there will be a free HD torrent of the movie that can be downloaded in under 10 minutes.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Sawasdee1983

But you have to at least cut off 5 Minutes of each episode, because of the Summary what happens in the Last Episodes in the Beginnung of each Episode and the very long Credits in the End of Each Episode

The credits are where you can see the incredible artwork/story boards used in that episode. They are as much eye candy as the episode itself.

But even subtracting 5 minutes from each episode, that would make the average at 35 minutes not 32 minutes for S2 so far:

S2E1 - E6 total runtime: 241 minutes, subtract 30 (5 minutes/episode) = 211 minutes divided by 6 = 35.16 minutes/episode.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by The Fish

It‘s going to kill WB off if they don’t get their arse in gear and sort out a day one global release platform for these movies. People are not going to wait an extra months outside the US when 5 hours after it’s on HBO Max there will be a free HD torrent of the movie that can be downloaded in under 10 minutes.

The movie get released on HBO Max (US only) . . . AND theaters on day1. On day 31, the movie gets pulled off HBO Max while it continues it's worldwide theatrical run.

Actually, WW1984 begins it's worldwide (US is not included) release on December 16th with a rollout across countries finished on Dec. 25th when it gets released in US theaters. Day1 for HBO Max starts December 25th.

[SilverFox84]

Originally Posted by Rodney-2187

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Generally speaking, this is spot on, and i have been thinking along these lines for the last few months. Yes, it horrible for those losing their jobs for businesses folding. But this has always been happening, just that because of COVID this has happened at an accelerated pace and it's freaked people out

We were always going to have this happen where films were going to be releasing in streaming at the same time as theatres. It's just the pandemic forced the hand to bring this forward, because if covid never happened it would have happened in 5-10 years time.

At the end of the day business and in general have gone under a massive shake up this year and those that are successful with rise to the top

[Yeti4928]

I'm not going to miss movie theaters if/when they go, but I do miss video stores. Go figure.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Every time there's a shift, people predict the end of theaters.
- When TV was introduced, theaters and the movies were doomed.
They weren't

- When cable and pay tv was introduced, giving people the opportunity to view movies uncut in their homes, it was the end of theaters and movies.
It wasn't

- When the VCR was introduced it was the nail in the coffin of theaters and the thearical market.
Box office only got bigger

- When the theatrical to video windows started shrinking to 3 months or less, people proclaimed the theaters to be on death row.
2015-2019 saw the 5 largest grossing years on record

People seem to be treating streaming like its the new, unknown variable here that's driving this decision.
It's not... COVID is the literal and figurative "virus" that caused these problems and that's motivating this shift. When COVID goes away... so does this problem. Theaters will be fine.

All of the examples I sighted above have something in common... theatrical and whatever paradigm shift both co-existed in an ecosystem. One doesn't perform as well without the other. Wanna know how you can tell that's true?
.

Well back then, they didn't have massive blockbusters, nor the technology to watch said blockbusters at home. The best comparison I heard was equating the theaters to Jazz. Jazz is and will always be around. But it's just a niche now, a shell of it's former glory. Theaters will still be around. But not as they are now.

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Home theaters is not going to be enough to give you the big budget films that you want, which is not 100% a bad thing. It just means studios have to be more creative storywise. But you are not going to see something like Avatar or Infinity War/Endgame very often, lets put it that way.

Yeah, but the people who want a theatrical experience/massive home theater experience are in the minority. I equate movie theaters to Comcast. They don't really have room for growth, so they'll try half measures to try and keep the people who still go there/subscribe. With Comcast, it's try to make more money off less subscribers, with theaters it's things like A-List.

I still think the theatrical model will be around (and I can't wait to see GvK, In The Heights, and maybe Mortal Kombat) in theaters still. But I'm excited to watch the DC movies and maybe Dune at home earlier than expected. If I have A-List, it's around $20ish and I get all theatrical movies. IMO, it's a better deal than paying $15 for HBO Max

[JayTL]

Let's not forget (I mentioned this a couple times I think) this is a decision made by a cell phone company. One that was struggling with debt. This might be their Hail Mary, and if it doesn't work out how they need it too, they'll probably need to divest and possibly fold.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JayTL

Let's not forget (I mentioned this a couple times I think) this is a decision made by a cell phone company. One that was struggling with debt. This might be their Hail Mary, and if it doesn't work out how they need it too, they'll probably need to divest and possibly fold.

AT&T is not done shaking things up either. I was really surprised when they did not dump their gaming division. DC will not be so lucky.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by mwynn

AT&T is not done shaking things up either. I was really surprised when they did not dump their gaming division. DC will not be so lucky.

I think they value the IPs more than the divisions themselves. I can see them scaling down the comics and the video games, and focusing on movies/TV with those IP.

Maybe license them out, idk

[QuasidodoJr]

I think where we’re headed, with a focus on streaming at home, is an increase in the number of streaming services. Eventually, all of the film studios will probably have their own pay subscription model. And the ones we already have will continue to see price increases. Netflix is already going up another $2 to put towards making more original content, even though 2020 saw their largest one year spike in new customers in company history.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by QuasidodoJr

I think where we’re headed, with a focus on streaming at home, is an increase in the number of streaming services. Eventually, all of the film studios will probably have their own pay subscription model. And the ones we already have will continue to see price increases. Netflix is already going up another $2 to put towards making more original content, even though 2020 saw their largest one year spike in new customers in company history.

All of the studios do not have the content to have a streaming service. Eventually they will start to bleed off. Paramount will probably merge with CBS All Access to keep that afloat. Peacock will fall by the way side.

They can create as many streaming services they want, if there is no steady stream of content no one will care.

[lion23c]

In my country, 1 ticket costs more than 1 month of Netflix/Amazon subscription. So, there you have...