Warner Sending Entire 2021 Slate to HBO Max and Theaters.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by BluPat

Since when is the movie business not about money?

Since the pandemic has turned things upside down and AT&T"s HBO Max wants to compete with Disney+ and Netflix.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by metsfan1545d

awesome news

No it's not. Movies will drastically change after this.

[Chedwiggen]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

No it's not. Movies will drastically change after this.

What do you expect studios to do when people won't go to theaters? They can't sit on these films indefinitely, they need money or they'll go broke and shut down which also wouldn't be good for theaters.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

No it's not. Movies will drastically change after this.

No they won't. Hollywood is too entrenched in making big budget blockbuster movies. They need movie theaters to get them not only the big bucks but also the exposure to their brands.

All that will happen is a "time out" for 2021. By 2022 when life is back to normal and the pandemic is in our rear view mirror, it will be 2019 Part Deux.

Count on it.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

No they won't. Hollywood is too entrenched in making big budget blockbuster movies. They need movie theaters to get them not only the big bucks but also the exposure to their brands.

All that will happen is a "time out" for 2021. By 2022 when life is back to normal and the pandemic is in our rear view mirror, it will be 2019 Part Deux.

Count on it.

Will Blockbuster be back in 2022 too?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Will Blockbuster be back in 2022 too?

No but Radio Shack will

Radio Shack Is Returning

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[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

No but Radio Shack will

Radio Shack Is Returning

https://comicbook.com/irl/news/radioshack-is-returning/

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[suitechicguy]

I have mixed feelings on this. I love it because the theater near me is always a crapshoot on if the other theater goers will behave or not. I know it’s like that for a lot of people but it’s like 9 out of 10 times it’s not a good experience. The next theater is about 45 minutes to an hour away which isn’t too bad but sometimes I just don’t feel like doing that. Even though I have a decent set up at home there’s certain movies I prefer to see in theaters. Personal preferences aside I don’t want theaters to close and I worry about the way this may eventually have physical media be chipped away over time even more than it already has. I’m not against digital but I always choose a physical version if possible so that I really own it. I don’t know. I was happy with just Wonder Woman 1984 finally coming out the theater release with shortened home release that has been done.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Cliff

But I would also argue that it's worth billions of dollars as an ancillary to their theatrical business. It works adjacent... not in opposition. Think of it this way...

Disney+ has 73 million subs. if you were to average $10 per month/per sub (which is MUCH higher than the actual average)... Disney stands to make $8.7B per year in Disney+ subs. Disney brought in $11.1B in worldwide theatrical box office. Why would ANY studio want to throw out that $11B when that isn't going to be offset by additional gains on the streaming side. Right now, Warner Bros can get people to pay for a movie 3 times... once in the theatrical market, once in the home video market and once more again in the pay TV subscription market. Why would eliminate one of more of those rather large revenue streams in favor of one that won't see gains to the ones you discarded?

Now yes... these numbers can't be 100% balanced because some of Disney's $11.1B 2019 haul goes back to the theaters, some of it goes into profit participation, some of it obviously covers production and marketing. BUT... other than the small percentage that goes back to the theater chains, all of those other costs still need to be covered. Why would Disney spend $500M dollars to make and market an Avengers Endgame when it's not going to return any long-term revenue beyond it's initial exclusive Disney+ release?

People really need to get past this bias that just because THEY don't think theaters are important that the studios and the industry don't think they're important. If the studios really wanted to get rid of theaters... why would they have delayed ANY of their films by a year or more. People around here are solving logic problems with emotions and that's not how business works.

Except WB is not that far behind. HBO and HBO max combined have 64 million subs. If WB wants it to do Disney numbers on the sub service its not hard to instruct IT to redirect all hbo.com traffic to hbo max, and rebrand HBO to HBOMax on cable TV. It is still money in at 15 dollars per month per sub. I mean shit if I were CEO that's what I would do now I get a nice fat bonus for increasing login count and viewership and now look HBO Max is a smashing success. Dear WB please pay me my bonus now.

I mean look these are unprecedented times, its been said over and over again. But in this dog eat Dog world with COVID these studios have 1 choice. Adapt or Die. Look to JCPenny and Sears, the latter had it embraced the internet in the 90's and took its catalog online like it should have would have been Amazon. Because they did not adapt to the changing market, guess what they are not Amazon, they are bankrupt, and will be totally out of business next year.

Studios and theaters need to adapt, the days of 9 month theatrical runs are over. The theaters need to get with it. Tentpole movies will always have a spot in the theaters because the general public will always want that type of experience. You are now going to see shorter windows before things come to streaming it is inevitable. Prices at the theaters of course will go up, which means low to midrange movies will be out quicker on streaming then eventually physical media.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Yeah it's doubtful. WB will probably be losing money in 2021, if anything. If the virus does completely slow down by 2022, they are no longer going to take anymore risks. They are going to make movies that they believe will make them a profit to try and recuperate their losses for the next few years. Dune isn't a proven money making franchise and was already doubtful to make a profit even before this virus hit. So I don't see WB taking that risk and making a Dune: Part Two.

To be honest. I didn't believe this would get a sequel even before the pandemic.

I won't be subscribing to HBOMax just to watch a couple movies.

[MattJ1991]

If anything, the chance of a Dune sequel is actually much higher now. AT&t has money to burn and desires more content to stand out amongst the streaming crowd. If it came out traditionally, it would simply bomb and the idea of a sequel would be balked at. Now, as long as Dune gets good reception, and some good viewership (which is much more likely considering the fact that people don't have to go out to see it and spend much more money to), AT&t could front the bill for both the sequel and the TV series spin-off.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

To be honest. I didn't believe this would get a sequel even before the pandemic.

I won't be subscribing to HBOMax just to watch a couple movies.

Then its your loss because honestly its not a bad service, and now with the atmos and 4K rollout starting with WW84 it is the service with probably the most content.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Then its your loss because honestly its not a bad service, and now with the atmos and 4K rollout starting with WW84 it is the service with probably the most content.

[mwynn]

Poor Apple TV, and no Peacock so sad.

[ItsMrBiG]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

But Covid-19 IS a thing so your analysis means zip.

Know how much a movie earns sitting on a shelf? Nothing!

They earn even less than nothing. Those loan interest payments aren't on hold.

[Gretiem]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Damn didnt realize how much stuff prime video has

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Poor Apple TV, and no Peacock so sad.

Peacock launched on July 15th so it wouldn't be on the charts which end as of June 1st

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Peacock launched on July 15th so it wouldn't be on the charts which end as of June 1st

That was sarcasm.

[FrancisP]

I am not the least bit interested in watching it on HBO Max. If I don't see it in the theater then I would wait for blu-ray/4K over HBO Max.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Except WB is not that far behind. HBO and HBO max combined have 64 million subs. If WB wants it to do Disney numbers on the sub service its not hard to instruct IT to redirect all hbo.com traffic to hbo max, and rebrand HBO to HBOMax on cable TV. It is still money in at 15 dollars per month per sub. I mean shit if I were CEO that's what I would do now I get a nice fat bonus for increasing login count and viewership and now look HBO Max is a smashing success. Dear WB please pay me my bonus now.

HBO & HBO Max are two different services. You won't find Friends or The Big Bang Theory on HBO.

If you are going to combine the HBO services then you should combine the Disney services too: Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ which gives Disney well over 100 million subs.