Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Yep, streaming pay TV revenue going up while linear pay TV revenue is going down. So anything new that most of us did not already know?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Yep, streaming pay TV revenue going up while linear pay TV revenue is going down. So anything new that most of us did not already know?

Transactional video spending also posted significant increases, with digital rentals up 18.3% in 2020 over 2019 and digital sales, or electronic sellthrough (EST), up 16%. According to DEG estimates, consumers spent more than $2.3 billion renting movies and other filmed content through digital retailers (both cable and Internet) in 2020, compared to just under $2 billion in 2019, and nearly $3 billion on purchases, up from $2.6 billion the prior year.

That qualify?

[alchav21]

Somebody was talking about AT&T, I think they are holding their own. Their stock is solid, not going down!

AT&T CEO John Stankey again defended WarnerMedia’s controversial decision to release Warner Bros.’ entire 2021 theatrical release slate concurrently on HBO Max for the first 30 days of title’s release. The strategy, which started with the Christmas Day release of Wonder Woman 1984, has helped drive Max subscriptions, but at the same time upended industry norms, including upsetting backend players such as movie directors, agents and producers.

Speaking Jan. 27 on the fiscal call, Stankey said the decision came down to weighing the best distribution strategies for tentpole and non-tentpole movie releases. He said the distribution economics of a movie like Wonder Woman 1984 is different than the economics of a movie catering to a less broad audience.

“That’s the power in what we did bringing out the entire [theatrical] slate to our end-user base [on HBO Max],” he said. “We’re going to see a little [Max subscriber growth] spikiness in what occurs.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/att-ce...out-of-lemons/

[Lee A Stewart]

DEG Panelists: PVOD Here to Stay

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/deg-pa...-here-to-stay/

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I enjoy streaming for what it is: content on demand at a very reasonable price. I don't subscribe to any social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, etc. Never have, never will.

You are calling me a liar because I chose not to list the number of BDs I own? I wasn't aware that was a requirement at BD.com.

No - I have no vendetta against physical media.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

On this issue of listing one's physical media collection, I see plenty of members, who like me, don't do it.

I guess I must be special to be singled out huh?

No, but I have the right to be suspicious of you. Your behavior and the way you lashed out at me for being critical of streaming (as I said, I never seen you criticizing streaming like most people on this forum does). Also the fact that you didn't list your BD collection also reinforce my suspicion that you have a vendetta against physical media even if you denied it. That still make me suspicious of you having a anti-physical media agenda/bias. Also I find it odd that you don't used social media since you accuse me or called me out for having a grudge against social media when I never stated that I hated social media. I have a love-hate relationship with streaming, and I have a love-hate relationship with social media.

Again, prove to me and other people on this forum that you don't have a anti-physical media bias/agenda, Lee Stewart. Otherwise, my suspicions about you still stay with me on this thread.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Related

Network-layer DDoS attack trends for Q4 2020 - Cloudflare 1/22/2021

As you can see a lot of DDOS are focused more on particular countries then disrupting streaming services.



The only way his will change is for business/consumer networked systems to use something like the zero trust security methodology.



The standard business practice is to lock down computers so a worker cannot configure or install anything (software, drivers, files) without it be trusted, and at the same time monitor all IP port activity for anything outside of the normal operations. Even to the point that the computer has disk wiped reimaged, when enough factors declare it to be untrustworthy.

The problem right now isn't on the business server side, but a lot can be done on ISP to consumers, and I don't mean just malware software. That is to identify possible activity and block specific TCP and UDP port ranges that are involved.

That doesn't mean Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney+, and other streaming service providers aren't immune from these DDOS (or any type of hacker) attack which can lead to server shutdowns for months. I mean before the 2011 PSN DDOS and server outages, I bet nobody thought it would happen to Sony and PSN, but in 2011 it happened, and PSN service was down for months (ever since that incident, I wonder how many people wondered "could this happen to Netflix in the future?"). This is what I get concerned about for streaming service providers, they can faced the same type of DDOS in the same manner as Sony's PSN or hack attack from hackers which lead to shutdown of servers and outages from Netflix, or any streaming service providers.

Just because Netflix, and other streaming service providers aren't facing any DDOS or hack attack right now doesn't mean it won't happened in the future. You can't predict if it will happen or not.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mdo7

That doesn't mean Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney+, and other streaming service providers aren't immune from these DDOS (or any type of hacker) attack which can lead to server shutdowns for months.

Just because Netflix, and other streaming service providers aren't facing any DDOS or hack attack right now doesn't mean it won't happened in the future. You can't predict if it will happen or not.

Playing the fear card, eh?

This is from 2018
GitHub Survived the Biggest DDoS Attack Ever Recorded - Wired 3/1/2018

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, GitHub got hit by the aforementioned DDoS attack. At the outset, GitHub had a little bit of trouble as it let a digital system assess the issue. After about ten minutes GitHub called Akamai, the company tasked with DDoS mitigation for GitHub.

Akamai began filtering the traffic through its own systems, acting as a de facto intermediary. Akamai pushed the data through what it refers to as “scrubbing centers” to strip malicious packets.

After about 8 minutes, the attackers relented.

if you don't think the principle cloud server farms aren't ready your fooling yourself. That was a 1.3-Tbs DDoS event.

Amazon Web Services (AWS) reports that in February 2020, they defended against a 2.3 -terabit-per-second (Tbps) distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack!

Amazon reported that AWS Shield, their managed threat protection service, observed and mitigated a 2.3 Tbps DDoS attack on Feb. 17.

Most DDoS typically are for so many minutes, a few have lasted 5 or 6 days. Techniques to combat them is quite impressive.
Your comment about losing streaming services for months is paranoia

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

DEG Panelists: PVOD Here to Stay

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/deg-pa...-here-to-stay/

I still like to see whose faring better, Disney or AT&T. At least Disney has subscribers do paid PVOD.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I still like to see whose faring better, Disney or AT&T. At least Disney has subscribers do paid PVOD.

Well Disney stock is at $170 and AT&T is $30, so by that comparison Disney is doing better.

[Vilya]

I have a triple layer chocolate cake.

You'll have to take my word for it; I'm not going to prove it. I'm eating the evidence as I type.

Just a little treat before retiring for the night.

Another medical ordeal awaits me beginning bright and early tomorrow. I probably won't be able to post, or enjoy my new toys, for a bit.

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Playing the fear card, eh?

This is from 2018
GitHub Survived the Biggest DDoS Attack Ever Recorded - Wired 3/1/2018



if you don't think the principle cloud server farms aren't ready your fooling yourself. That was a 1.3-Tbs DDoS event.

Amazon Web Services (AWS) reports that in February 2020, they defended against a 2.3 -terabit-per-second (Tbps) distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack!

Amazon reported that AWS Shield, their managed threat protection service, observed and mitigated a 2.3 Tbps DDoS attack on Feb. 17.

Most DDoS typically are for so many minutes, a few have lasted 5 or 6 days. Techniques to combat them is quite impressive.
Your comment about losing streaming services for months is paranoia

I don't care how good any company's cybersecurity technologies they have. It still possible for a DDOS to take down a company's server and depend on their server and repairing their service, it can last days or maybe months. Hell could a DDoS attack on Netflix can caused servers to shut down for days? It's possible. Could a future DDoS (or a hack attack) on Netflix can also caused Netflix's server(s) to be hurt so bad that Netflix had announced they have to shut down the servers for months in the same manner as Sony's PSN in 2011? That's also possible.

And regarding what you said (the last sentence you said and I bolded). Anything's possible, we lived in the world where the impossible can become possible.

Tell me if you're so smart, how did a DDoS attack on Sony caused PSN servers to be down for months? How are you so sure it won't happened again on another company's servers like Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime Video, etc...? How do you know Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Video Prime, or any streaming service providers won't face a DDoS or a hack attack that lead to their servers being shut down for months?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mdo7

I don't care how good any company's cybersecurity technologies they have. It still possible for a DDOS to take down a company's server and depend on their server and repairing their service, it can last days or maybe months. Hell could a DDoS attack on Netflix can caused servers to shut down for days? It's possible. Could a future DDoS (or a hack attack) on Netflix can also caused Netflix's server(s) to be hurt so bad that Netflix had announced they have to shut down the servers for months in the same manner as Sony's PSN in 2011? That's also possible.

And regarding what you said (the last sentence you said and I bolded). Anything's possible, we lived in the world where the impossible can become possible.

Tell me if you're so smart, how did a DDoS attack on Sony caused PSN servers to be down for months? How are you so sure it won't happened again on another company's servers like Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime Video, etc...? How do you know Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Video Prime, or any streaming service providers won't face a DDoS or a hack attack that lead to their servers being shut down for months?

You watch the rest of 2021 and let me know if it ever happens until then this one sided argument is tabled.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Somebody was talking about AT&T, I think they are holding their own. Their stock is solid, not going down!



https://www.mediaplaynews.com/att-ce...out-of-lemons/

Holding their own what though? That’s the question.

[gotmule]

I am not giving up my discs, but Kaleidescape announced this week they are now doing rentals. Half of what you pay for the rental can get applied to the purchase of the movie if you want to buy it afterwards. Still a lot of money, still limitations on storage, and still expensive movies, but it did get slightly more interesting.

[Gretiem]

Originally Posted by gotmule

I am not giving up my discs, but Kaleidescape announced this week they are now doing rentals. Half of what you pay for the rental can get applied to the purchase of the movie if you want to buy it afterwards. Still a lot of money, still limitations on storage, and still expensive movies, but it did get slightly more interesting.

I would seriously switch to Kaleidescape if they lowered their prices on their hardware. It is so ridiculously overpriced.

[Wendell R. Breland]

For those with immersive audio, finally watched the UHD BD of The Mask of Zorro and have to say, IMHO the uptick in the Dolby Atmos track was worth the triple dip.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You watch the rest of 2021 and let me know if it ever happens until then this one sided argument is tabled.

Disney is down globally!

Not disagreeing with you, just thought it was ironic.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney is down globally!

Not disagreeing with you, just thought it was ironic.

USA only, was effecting video streaming, less login to people using some version of the Disney + App per Downdetector.com. Most people that reported it were from west coast and east coast USA. It was not a long lasting event, web access to content was unaffected. Fixed now. Hardly any articles on this instance.

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You watch the rest of 2021 and let me know if it ever happens until then this one sided argument is tabled.

And it looks like you kind of spoke too soon. Although this is not a DDoS related. Looks like Disney+ just had a outage just now briefly (2nd sources).

Yeah, not good when you argued that my argument is one-sided when Disney+ just went down for a bit.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mdo7

And it looks like you kind of spoke too soon. Although this is not a DDoS related. Looks like Disney+ just had a outage just now briefly (2nd sources).
Yeah, not good when you argued that my argument is one-sided when Disney+ just went down for a bit.

Its not being down for days or months. You had your fun.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For those with immersive audio, finally watched the UHD BD of The Mask of Zorro and have to say, IMHO the uptick in the Dolby Atmos track was worth the triple dip.

Oh yeah, It's a stellar release. One of the best 4K titles of 2020.