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View Poll Results: What is the best DC/Marvel DCEU/MCU Superhero Crossover Event movie?
The Avengers (2012) 7 11.67%
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) 1 1.67%
Justice League (2017) 1 1.67%
Avengers: Infinity War (2018) 23 38.33%
Avengers: Endgame (2019) 10 16.67%
Zack Snyder’s Justice League (2021) 18 30.00%
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Old 03-27-2021, 08:50 PM   #21
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All the others look like the latter day Superfriends episodes in comparison. No one is going to top Zack...until he comes back and finishes this.
I just wish he hadn't mucked up Superman.
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I just wish he hadn't mucked up Superman.
He didn't.
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He didn't.
He did

Well, for me at least in terms of direction. I did enjoy Man of Steel, except for how they wrote Jonathan Kent and also his last scene. The battle in Metropolis was a bit overdone too in terms of destruction. I also dislike the end of the movie.

Then Batman vs Superman comes along and uses the destruction of Metropolis as a plot device to make Superman perceptibly the villain. Batman goes about branding and killing people. We get probably the worst Lex Luthor and a terrible rendition of Doomsday. Plainly put, there should have been a Man of Steel 2 and not the rush job to get to Justice League. So rushed in fact, that we have a Superman character arc of such importance it's all dealt with in only his second film. Where do you take the character from there? When I listened to Deborah Snyder in an interview she openly admitted that she found it difficult to identify with Superman as a character, as he comes across as too goody and one dimensional. Zach didn't seem to want to work with the character and establish him properly first (perhaps studio interference as well?), before rushing to Justice League. There's also a preoccupation for Superman to be seen as 'evil'.

Even the romance between Superman and Lois feels rushed.

Of course, directors can take any interpretation or direction with the story as they want. I would have liked these things to be a bit better.
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Old 03-27-2021, 11:12 PM   #25
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Infinity War for me
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Old 03-27-2021, 11:38 PM   #26
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He did

Well, for me at least in terms of direction. I did enjoy Man of Steel, except for how they wrote Jonathan Kent and also his last scene. The battle in Metropolis was a bit overdone too in terms of destruction. I also dislike the end of the movie.

Then Batman vs Superman comes along and uses the destruction of Metropolis as a plot device to make Superman perceptibly the villain. Batman goes about branding and killing people. We get probably the worst Lex Luthor and a terrible rendition of Doomsday. Plainly put, there should have been a Man of Steel 2 and not the rush job to get to Justice League. So rushed in fact, that we have a Superman character arc of such importance it's all dealt with in only his second film. Where do you take the character from there? When I listened to Deborah Snyder in an interview she openly admitted that she found it difficult to identify with Superman as a character, as he comes across as too goody and one dimensional. Zach didn't seem to want to work with the character and establish him properly first (perhaps studio interference as well?), before rushing to Justice League. There's also a preoccupation for Superman to be seen as 'evil'.

Even the romance between Superman and Lois feels rushed.

Of course, directors can take any interpretation or direction with the story as they want. I would have liked these things to be a bit better.
They did establish him as a character in Man of Steel and BvS is largely about how the world reacts to his existence, Batman included, who has now escalated his methods spiraling downward giving into his most basic fears and prejudices. And the film shows how Clark has to come to terms with that, being pulled in so many different directions, until he finally finds peace with his place in this world, by Lois' side, as he gives up his life to inspire others and save the world. Snyder smartly takes the immigrant story of Superman, baked into his DNA, and extrapolates that to comment on us as a race and society. Snyder melds so many different aspects of these characters into one coherent story that it's pretty staggering when you step back and look at all three films as a whole.
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