DIABOLIK DVD to declare Canadian packages at full value starting today

[pixote]

Posted on their Facebook page;

Effective immediately all packages going to Canada will be declared at full merchandise value. Please factor that in when ordering. As always, we are not responsible for duties on items entering your country.

[Thebunk]

This is not good. Severin have basically stated a similar message as well.

[SleazyForWeasley]

Is there a reason the full value of an item SHOULDN'T be declared?

[Animatic33]

Originally Posted by SleazyForWeasley

Is there a reason the full value of an item SHOULDN'T be declared?

They should be declared at the price the customer paid. I believe that is the law and otherwise fair.

I have edited out my initial information on taxes, please see zeze’s post below for accurate information.

I have no issue with stores declaring proper values and paying taxes, I do have issue with couriers imposing huge fees on handling the customs paperwork, and the lack of a modern system for online customs declarations for customers.

[pixote]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

They should be declared at the price the customer paid. I believe that is the law and otherwise fair.

However, Canada imposes a “very reasonable in 2021” (/s) limit of $40 CAD maximum tax free amount on cross border purchase. When most buying from outside the country often hinges on at least $100 USD purchase for free shipping options, well, deals start to lose their luster fast.

I have no issue with stores declaring proper values and paying taxes, I do have issue with carriers imposing huge fees on handling the customs paperwork, and the lack of a modern system for online customs declarations for customers.

I agree with what you’ve said. I don’t mind paying the actual taxes, it’s the paperwork or admin charge that hurts, especially when they ding you on a low value package (which luckily doesn’t happen often).

[zeze]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

They should be declared at the price the customer paid. I believe that is the law and otherwise fair.

However, Canada imposes a “very reasonable in 2021” (/s) limit of $40 CAD maximum tax free amount on cross border purchase. When most buying from outside the country often hinges on at least $100 USD purchase for free shipping options, well, deals start to lose their luster fast.

I have no issue with stores declaring proper values and paying taxes, I do have issue with carriers imposing huge fees on handling the customs paperwork, and the lack of a modern system for online customs declarations for customers.

The limit is still only $20 CAD (for taxes and duties) if it comes via USPS. The limit is only $40 CAD for taxes (and $150 for duties) if it is coming via courier from the US and Mexico. If it is coming via courier from any other country besides those 2 the limit is also still $20.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/services...s-efv-eng.html

And in case anyone is wondering and is not aware, movies are only subjected to taxes and not duties.

[Rui]

Originally Posted by SleazyForWeasley

Is there a reason the full value of an item SHOULDN'T be declared?

taxation is theft.



(I'm half kidding before anyone gets too riled up...)

[Animatic33]

Originally Posted by Rui

taxation is theft.



(I'm half kidding before anyone gets too riled up...)

Haha, especially these days it REALLY feels like it!!

Originally Posted by zeze

The limit is still only $20 CAD (for taxes and duties) if it comes via USPS. The limit is only $40 CAD for taxes (and $150 for duties) if it is coming via courier from the US and Mexico. If it is coming via courier from any other country besides those 2 the limit is also still $20.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/services...s-efv-eng.html

And in case anyone is wondering and is not aware, movies are only subjected to taxes and not duties.

Thank you, I have updated my post to reflect this information. I wrongfully thought the $40 US/Mexico imports were across the board. Of course they aren’t, that makes too much sense.

[suddend]

As far as I know I've never been charged duty on movies, only tax. I don't know if this is because of the category, or just because they fall into items made in North America which are duty free of course.

[J.P. Samson]

I have thought about ordering some hard-to-get stuff from Diabolik. Do they tend to ship by courier or by USPS? Since these items would be valued at $60-$80, courier customs fees could get outrageous.

JP

[Mr Walker]

Originally Posted by Rui

taxation is theft.



(I'm half kidding before anyone gets too riled up...)

As an aussie I'm not kidding when I say the "admin" charges are 100% theft.

[ilovedealsonmovies]

so they had been cheating the sytem before aka got busted why they do it now? lol

[ertman]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

Haha, especially these days it REALLY feels like it!!

Brings up a good question, what do you think has changed? I'd say its our buying habits of buying internationally.

[SleazyForWeasley]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

They should be declared at the price the customer paid. I believe that is the law and otherwise fair.

I have edited out my initial information on taxes, please see zeze’s post below for accurate information.

I have no issue with stores declaring proper values and paying taxes, I do have issue with couriers imposing huge fees on handling the customs paperwork, and the lack of a modern system for online customs declarations for customers.

I am obviously not in Canada so I wasn't sure what the deal was. I understand now.

[Thebunk]

Originally Posted by ertman

Brings up a good question, what do you think has changed? I'd say its our buying habits of buying internationally.

Yeah but the only change is the retail consumer’s spending habits have changed as the world has gotten smaller and more connected. Industry has been trading among countries for decades.

It really comes down to what pixote and Animatic33 have stated. And as always, when taxation causes additional work and/or costs for companies, they will almost always pass that cost onto the customer.

I personally think both the duty and taxes structure needs to change to mirror the modern world, as well as how companies charges these “admin”, “import fees”, etc.

[danman227460]

Look at the UK.

Their new rules have stopped most importers because of all the extra paperwork and no easy way to do it digitally. So instead of dealing with all the headache, they just stopped shipping there all together.

It is a mess right now if you are in the UK and have to import items.

Originally Posted by Thebunk

Yeah but the only change is the retail consumer’s spending habits have changed as the world has gotten smaller and more connected. Industry has been trading among countries for decades.

It really comes down to what pixote and Animatic33 have stated. And as always, when taxation causes additional work and/or costs for companies, they will almost always pass that cost onto the customer.

I personally think both the duty and taxes structure needs to change to mirror the modern world, as well as how companies charges these “admin”, “import fees”, etc.

[Thebunk]

Originally Posted by danman227460

Look at the UK.

Their new rules have stopped most importers because of all the extra paperwork and no easy way to do it digitally. So instead of dealing with all the headache, they just stopped shipping there all together.

It is a mess right now if you are in the UK and have to import items.

Yeah it’s strange all of this is happening now when we should be more wide open to trade.

[will oneill]

Originally Posted by Thebunk

Yeah it’s strange all of this is happening now when we should be more wide open to trade.

The Canadian Small Business community definitely disagrees with you; they're the ones who pushed for our de minimis to remain low when NAFTA was renegotiated, instead of it being raised to a level comparable to the U.S. and Mexico (~$800).

For the UK, I think there are different factors, including the country generally not being prepared for Brexit and having to cobble together new policies quickly.

[Thebunk]

Originally Posted by will oneill

The Canadian Small Business community definitely disagrees with you; they're the ones who pushed for our de minimis to remain low when NAFTA was renegotiated, instead of it being raised to a level comparable to the U.S. and Mexico (~$800).

For the UK, I think there are different factors, including the country generally not being prepared for Brexit and having to cobble together new policies quickly.

The irony is locally, there is no place to purchase the films I buy (and similarly the records I purchase as well). And online nationally you have UV and that is about it (not counting any “.ca” distributors / etailers) who I support plenty as it is. But they too don’t stock everything and sometimes the pricing is higher then international alternatives.

What I also don’t get is they raised the amount of goods you can bring back from the US physically quite substantially a few years back.

[will oneill]

Originally Posted by Thebunk

The irony is locally, there is no place to purchase the films I buy (and similarly the records I purchase as well). And online nationally you have UV and that is about it (not counting any “.ca” distributors / etailers) who I support plenty as it is. But they too don’t stock everything and sometimes the pricing is higher then international alternatives.

We always have to remember that these rules were not designed for the extremely niche market that is physical film media. They were designed for things like clothes and electronics and other stuff like that, things that everyone buys, and would save a lot of money on if our de minimis was higher. It would also probably drive prices lower here, driving down profit margins for Canadian businesses.

Originally Posted by Thebunk

What I also don’t get is they raised the amount of goods you can bring back from the US physically quite substantially a few years back.

Physical, in-person cross-border shopping is a small fraction of the threat to Canadian business that international online shopping is.