Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Its has first season released, and second season shortly. Jun 29, 2021 (2 Months)



The first season is similar to golden compass in story, but a lot longer. The second season is what you have never experienced. Its is a trilogy.

I picked up the first season, but haven’t watched it yet. Technical merits look to be pretty impressive from the trailer.

[bhampton]

Looks like CD quality music is coming to Apple eco system.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/airpo...ple-music-hifi

Fantastic ! I pay for apple music anyway for my kids so this is just a nice thing that won't cost any extra.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Then please provide some links that show "data center power usage" for the USA.

I don't have one, but
1) that still does not change the fact that your stat is for data networks (i.e. the transportation of data back and forth) and not data centers (rooms filled with computers running 24/7) the latter needs a lot more electricity thyen the former

2) the environmental impact of data centers is far from limited to just electricity. so any such stat would underplay the environmental impact

3) what does the number even matter? do you use your phone/internet connection only for watching films, and assume that it is the same for everyone else? do you think data centers only exist for watching films? for both of those only part of the electricity will go to film watching.

4) if someone cares about the environment then the best way is to do their own calculation but eve then a comparison is nearly impossible because they are both so different. Yesterday we watched Back to the future again (I think it might be the 4th time we watch that disk) environmental impact due to distribution does not change for a disk if the impact was X it would still be X for for viewings on the other hand if we were streamers and it was Y the first time now it would be 4Y because each time that server needs to use electricity and that data network the same....) there is also the fact that if we assume there happens to be a time when no one is streaming from company X the data network and datacenter still needs to be running, so it is not limited to just who and what they are watching.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We should care because it’s those trends that dictate which titles are available to us as the market shrinks. Heck, many titles are going exclusively to streaming now.

Originally Posted by Vilya

...and many titles are exclusively on disc. And some titles are exclusive to TV. And that is why not limiting one's self to a single distribution method allows us to enjoy the greatest selection.

and many titles are never made.

IMHO Jealousy is a complete waist of time. If no other film where to ever be released going forward on disk there are still countless of good films that have already been released for me to buy that I have not had a chance to do so so far, and if by some miracle all disks where to magically disappear off of the market (no on-line, no garage sales....) I have thousands here at home for me to be able to fill my time until I die.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

With so little time and so much content why would I ever need to seek out shows that aren't on disc?

agree 100%

[Lee A Stewart]

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

and many titles are never made.

IMHO Jealousy is a complete waist of time. If no other film where to ever be released going forward on disk there are still countless of good films that have already been released for me to buy that I have not had a chance to do so so far, and if by some miracle all disks where to magically disappear off of the market (no on-line, no garage sales....) I have thousands here at home for me to be able to fill my time until I die.

As do I. I could have stopped buying discs years ago and I would still have plenty to watch, but that's not how this hobby works, at least not for me.

If I want to see something, I want to see it and that is all there is to it. I love movies more than the format upon which they are delivered. I will seek out any title of interest and watch it whatever way that I can. If it turns out that I really enjoyed what I saw, I will actively look to buy it on disc, but what I will not do is deny myself the pleasure of having seen it.

If you are okay with watching movies on TV then you should have no problem with watching them via streaming. And who here hasn't watched a movie on TV before? All of the posturing about quality, ownership, censorship, and service outages apply to both distribution methods; if you are okay with putting up with all of those things when watching TV, why is it so hard to do the same with streaming?

Not everything we watch is worth owning, but was likely still worth seeing once. If you want to buy a hard copy of every single thing that you watch, fine, but I don't. I am trying to be more selective about what I buy. Any title that I really enjoyed AND that I deem worthy of a rewatch I will seek out on disc. For the rest, a one time viewing via TV or streaming or kiosk rental is perfectly acceptable.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

As do I. I could have stopped buying discs years ago and I would still have plenty to watch, but that's not how this hobby works, at least not for me.

If I want to see something, I want to see it and that is all there is to it. I love movies more than the format upon which they are delivered. I will seek out any title of interest and watch it whatever way that I can. If it turns out that I really enjoyed what I saw, I will actively look to buy it on disc, but what I will not do is deny myself the pleasure of having seen it.

If you are okay with watching movies on TV then you should have no problem with watching them via streaming. And who here hasn't watched a movie on TV before? All of the posturing about quality, ownership, censorship, and service outages apply to both distribution methods; if you are okay with putting up with all of those things when watching TV, why is it so hard to do the same with streaming?

Not everything we watch is worth owning, but was still worth seeing once. If you want to buy a hard copy of every single thing that you watch, fine, but I don't. I am trying to be more selective about what I buy. Any title that I really enjoyed AND that I deem worthy of a rewatch I will seek out on disc. For the rest, a one time viewing via TV or streaming is more than acceptable.

But in the case of not blind buying, your first experience is ALWAYS going to be inferior.

I watched Rocketman in 4K last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Had I watched it on a inferior format, it just wouldn’t be the same experience. The picture, the audio, just superb.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Disney+ shares may be dipping if they can’t use 100% renewables and do so in a few short years.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Hearing a sub in a store will be different to what it will do in your room. Both are strong options, so I believe you will be happy with either path you take. Have you discovered any other pros and cons between the two?

I haven't learned anything new about either brand. I'm still just mulling over the same differences: SVS subbies have a far more powerful amp and a much longer warranty and at a lower price. REL appears to be constructed of better materials. I still can't make up my mind and being this indecisive really bugs me.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But in the case of not blind buying, your first experience is ALWAYS going to be inferior.

I watched Rocketman in 4K last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Had I watched it on a inferior format, it just wouldn’t be the same experience. The picture, the audio, just superb.

Kiosks rent discs, so a first viewing is not "inferior" when accomplished this way.

I make plenty of blind buys on disc because I am a great judge of what I myself like, so my first experience is often optimal, but there are also some movies, and TV shows, that I am less certain about and viewing them some other way has saved me a lot of money.

The TV show Arrow is an example; I am watching it via Netflix and it is only barely worth watching and it is NOT worth rewatching in my opinion. It would have cost me $109.49 to buy the series on blu-ray and if I had I would be regretting that purchase right now. Netflix allows me to try this show without risking any money.

In other instances, I don't want to wait for the disc release to see a movie because my interest is too great and my patience too limited. Greyhound was a recent example. I finally got to see it and I will buy it if it comes to disc, but after waiting for a disc release for nearly a year I could bear it no longer. When a disc release comes along I will see it again and I will enjoy the better quality at that time, but until then I was able to scratch that itch and see a movie that I very much wanted to see.

[bhampton]

I blind bought most of what the Dollar Tree had on Blu Ray the other day.
$1 isn't really a bad price for Blu Ray cases if it turns out I don't like the movie.

I was so surprized to see one of my risky blind buys (The 7th Day) actually starred Victoria Abril. I adore her.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney+ shares may be dipping if they can’t use 100% renewables and do so in a few short years.

Every time that you make a prediction I am reminded of the accuracy of this one :

Originally Posted by Steedeel

[Show spoiler]I think the same of some of you. A new tech that will allow viewers to alter the length of a show and the idea of having websites dedicated to highlights of shows. You lot can’t see what is coming here, but I can. Highlight video that can be grabbed and put on social media in seconds. It’s a dream come true for the younger generation. The ability to cut out parts of a show that they don’t like and get to the action? It’s the land of Oz for attention challenged youngsters.

I Expect this and stuff like Quibi to take off in a big way.

[Show spoiler]Negative? Well yeah. I can’t think of a single positive about a website or service dedicated to highlights. Not one.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But in the case of not blind buying, your first experience is ALWAYS going to be inferior.

I watched Rocketman in 4K last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Had I watched it on a inferior format, it just wouldn’t be the same experience. The picture, the audio, just superb.

Rocketman is a example of a musical film your expecting offers a lot of Elton John’s music, instead most of it you find is significantly shortened, so because it was offered free to watch during a TV provider event, I checked it out. I was disappointed and glad I didn’t buy it. Never mind thinking that improved PQ and AQ will improve a inferior title. Maybe it works for some but not a real fan.

From a real performance for the Movie adaptation of The Who’s Tommy

Elton John - Pinball Wizard - 1975 (Audio HQ) - YouTube

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney+ shares may be dipping if they can’t use 100% renewables and do so in a few short years.

Disney shares are doing fine. The forecasts are for a 17% increase.

But you go ahead with your impending doom forecasts if it helps you sleep at night.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Kiosks rent discs, so a first viewing is not "inferior" when accomplished this way.

We get to see most all new releases on BD via Netflix by mail, same for many catalog titles though some are DVD only. Have 19 titles in the queue and 11 save titles. Too bad this method of viewing is limited to the US.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Kiosks rent discs, so a first viewing is not "inferior" when accomplished this way.

I make plenty of blind buys on disc because I am a great judge of what I myself like, so my first experience is often optimal, but there are also some movies, and TV shows, that I am less certain about and viewing them some other way has saved me a lot of money.

The TV show Arrow is an example; I am watching it via Netflix and it is only barely worth watching and it is NOT worth rewatching in my opinion. It would have cost me $109.49 to buy the series on blu-ray and if I had I would be regretting that purchase right now. Netflix allows me to try this show without risking any money.

In other instances, I don't want to wait for the disc release to see a movie because my interest is too great and my patience too limited. Greyhound was a recent example. I finally got to see it and I will buy it if it comes to disc, but after waiting for a disc release for nearly a year I could bear it no longer. When a disc release comes along I will see it again and I will enjoy the better quality at that time, but until then I was able to scratch that itch and see a movie that I very much wanted to see.

Funny you chose Arrow and Greyhound in your post. I have held off on Arrow for the exact same reason, but still have a mild interest. I would love to have Greyhound on disc with a killer audio mix for my room....so have been tempted to grab a new 4KATV just to watch Greyhound as I do not have confidence it will be out on disc soon.

I am getting closer to breaking down than I have ever been and picking one up.

Cloud be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Rocketman is a example of a musical film your expecting offers a lot of Elton John’s music, instead most of it you find is significantly shortened, so because it was offered free to watch during a TV provider event, I checked it out. I was disappointed and glad I didn’t buy it. Never mind thinking that improved PQ and AQ will improve a inferior title. Maybe it works for some but not a real fan.

From a real performance for the Movie adaptation of The Who’s Tommy

Elton John - Pinball Wizard - 1975 (Audio HQ) - YouTube

I rented it too and couldn't make it to the end. Could not get past all of the inaccuracies and the style of the movie, so hit eject and popped something else in.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I haven't learned anything new about either brand. I'm still just mulling over the same differences: SVS subbies have a far more powerful amp and a much longer warranty and at a lower price. REL appears to be constructed of better materials. I still can't make up my mind and being this indecisive really bugs me.

What I have learned over the last 18 months has changed my approach to bass, and maybe something that nudges you one way or another.

There are 3 characteristics of a bass note:

1) The initial attack or slam - You want to feel like you are getting punched in the chest, as this is what the real world effect would be with the destruction and on screen action we often see in movies and tv. This requires a sub to be incredibly fast but still accurate.

2) The body of the note - This is where you are hearing frequency and the tonality of the note. The majority of subs can all do this well.

3) The decay of the note - This is where the musicality of the note comes into play as well as some of the accuracy within the score of a movie.

What REL does is focus a lot of their engineering and design on the first and third, while some other companies want to hit a number and are more concerned with the second.

I had Seatons in my room before the RELs and used to love the them because they would extend into the single digits, but realized they were not good at the first and third. I would dial them back because of inaccurate notes or perceived sloppiness, which then took away from the effect of the 2nd part.

Having now lived with the RELs, I can honestly say they hit all 3 aspects of a bass note, and are known for how crazy quick and accurate they are.
I have not heard a bad note in my room with them.

Sorry for the off topic post.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The TV show Arrow is an example; I am watching it via Netflix and it is only barely worth watching and it is NOT worth rewatching in my opinion. It would have cost me $109.49 to buy the series on blu-ray and if I had I would be regretting that purchase right now. Netflix allows me to try this show without risking any money.

Or you could have bought Season 1 on Blu-ray for about $5. Why the hell would you have to blind buy the entire series?