Here we go....

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

It seemed it had to be $199 SRP with A2s selling for $238. But, I'd really like to see a BOM that explains how such a thing is possible.

Raise your hand if you think the consumer will run out and spend $150 on a Canadian/Chinese no name and not $230 on a Toshiba.

Gary

Well, that player isn't out and I wonder if the G2 players will still be out when its released?

So I think the biggest questions are:

What will the street prices be on the G3 players?
What will this new player's street price be and who will sell it?

And will someone to cheap to get a decent HD TV actually buy one anyway?

[spam.curitiba]

Originally Posted by stephenj

MSRP of $199 means Wal-Mart will sell it for $169.

More good news for HD-DVD, as if they needed after this past week.

How......up until now no one from the hd dvd camp has answered my questions

1) Are you going to buy one? If not why? If so why?

2) Would you recommend this to someone looking for a High def experience? Again If yes why? If no why?

3) Do you own something from this company?

4) Do you buy electronics from Wal-mart?


answer these damn questions!

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

How......up until now no one from the hd dvd camp has answered my questions

1) Are you going to buy one? If not why? If so why?

2) Would you recommend this to someone looking for a High def experience? Again If yes why? If no why?

3) Do you own something from this company?

4) Do you buy electronics from Wal-mart?


answer these damn questions!

I'll give you some answers.

1) Nope. I think my add on is probably better. If I did need to replace my add on or if HD DVD stop being produced tomorrow, I'd probably pick up the A2.

2) Nope. I'd recommend Toshiba over that. Just for brand recognition alone and the cost difference isn't that great.

3) What company was that again? No..

4) Wal-Mart sells electronics?? Hmm.. I don't think I've ever bought ANY electronics from them, even something so simple as a game console.

[stephenj]

Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

How......up until now no one from the hd dvd camp has answered my questions

1) Are you going to buy one? If not why? If so why?

2) Would you recommend this to someone looking for a High def experience? Again If yes why? If no why?

3) Do you own something from this company?

4) Do you buy electronics from Wal-mart?


answer these damn questions!

i'm format neutral, but here goes:

1) not me, because i already have an HD-DVD player

2) yes, for an entry-level consumer who isn't worried about all the technical niceties.

3) no

4) i have

Sad to say, for an entry-level consumer worried about format-war risk, HD-DVD is the way to go right now, because of the prices.

[Terjyn]

I'm not convinced Walmart would even stock these. A few years ago a company came out with cheap-as-hell 39$ DVD players...and not only did the players suck nobody bought them. I seem to recall Walmart actually lost money on these POSs.

[dialog_gvf]

Here's what Bill Hunt @ www.thedigitalbits.com#mytwocents had to say:

And on the high-def front today, there's a couple things to report as well. First, Video Business is reporting that the first cheap Chinese HD-DVD player will street sometime in the 4th quarter of this year under the "Venturer Electronics" brand. The SHD7000 is expected to retail for $199. You can visit Venturer's actual product page here. The low price is certainly going to be attractive to some, but one wonders how people who purchase this player will react later upon realizing that only a handful of studios support the format and that Disney (among other studios) isn't one of them. Other questions remain, including what kind of quality and reliability the SHD7000 will deliver at that price, which is almost certainly at or below cost of manufacturing, as well as what kind of customer support will be offered.

That's dumping, isn't it?

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I'm not convinced Walmart would even stock these. A few years ago a company came out with cheap-as-hell 39$ DVD players...and not only did the players suck nobody bought them. I seem to recall Walmart actually lost money on these POSs.

That's a good point. Mass-market retail too has quality concerns and sensitivity to brand image; they don't stock these things by default. But maybe some big chain has pre-ordered a bunch of these? (Dunno.)

HD-DVD seem to be gambling that the prospective HDM market is -- right now -- pretty radically price-driven. I don't know, maybe the real magic number is not $199 but $149 or $99. How do you guess where to draw the line with an extremely aggressive pricing strategy like that?

[Icemage]

The HD DVD camp thinks that hardware price is king. It's not.

Sure, some people are price-conscious, but how does an uninformed consumer know the difference between a $49 upconverting "1080p HD-ready DVD player" and a $199 "1080i HD DVD player"? It's for certain that the Wal-Mart employees won't be explaining it.

Especially once they look over at the media aisle and realize the discs cost two to three times as much as standard DVDs.

In other words, hardware price is just one piece of the puzzle. It's important, but it doesn't mean much while software prices are high, while there's still consumer ignorance and confusion, not to mention this "Blu-ray" thing across the aisle that looks like a newer product.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Sure, some people are price-conscious, but how does an uninformed consumer know the difference between a $49 upconverting "1080p HD-ready DVD player" and a $199 "1080i HD DVD player"? It's for certain that the Wal-Mart employees won't be explaining it.

Hmm. It's possible that a smaller 1080p set that has bob de-interlacing would look about the same with the upscaled 1080p as the de-interlaced 1080i.

At my Best Buy, one upscaler was refered to as a HD-DVD player, to further confuse the matter.

So:

1080p HD-DVD player
v.
1080i HD DVD player



Gary

[Blu-Light]

Yawn. Its a crappy player made for a crappy format at a crappy price. Next!

I figured that most would have figured out that at this time, this market is not price driven but driven by content and hardware manufacures which BD is still king of and probably will be until this silly war ends.

Let's see:

Toshiba (basically garbage IMO, everything made by toshiba that I have owned broke within two years and/or didn't work right in the first place)

360 Add-on don't get me started. Look what you have to hook the thing up to to get it to work.

And now this company. Like I started my post with. YAWN.

[martinstraka8282]

My local wal-mart electronics manager has been selling any DVD player that has HDMI as an HD-DVD player. Once I corrected him, he laughed because he has had a lot of returns on the DVD players and the discs. Most of the time where I live, I just get the response from box store employees, "Why do people need High Def, it makes no difference... I am happy with my 20" Tube tv."

[cpgator]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

I figured that most would have figured out that at this time, this market is not price driven but driven by content and hardware manufacures which BD is still king of and probably will be until this silly war ends.

If price doesn't matter, then why have more HD players been sold then BR players. Why does the number of HD player sales spike when they drop the price?

[The Guardian]

They had some cheap DVD player up here a few years ago that had a cool bonus feature ---- shake them hard enough and the region coding chip falls out and it becomes region free heh.

Of course the websites actually recommended using a screwdriver to open them and pull it out, but shaking is more fun...


Obviously price matters but a sales spike isn't really a huge number of extra sales at this point. The ideal price/feature point IMHO is the one that sells a million units.... then you can talk about getting ahead in the war hehe.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I sure hope the BDA announces something this week to retaliate against this.

Blu-ray players have more competition cause they have so many companies building them, and only Toshiba and Venture are making HD-DVD (both low-quality producers).
So why haven't the BD players dropped to the same price yet?

I afraid it's all about to hit the fan!

i agree with you, the BDA group needs to do something about it.

[Rob Zuber]

Originally Posted by cpgator

If price doesn't matter, then why have more HD players been sold then BR players.

Because you aren't counting the BD player that has sold in the millions.

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by cpgator

If price doesn't matter, then why have more HD players been sold then BR players. Why does the number of HD player sales spike when they drop the price?

BD stand alones are now out ahead of HD-DUD stand alones in sales.

[zombieking]

No worries. If Toshiba can't make a reliable working player, who in their right mind will buy this generic crap? The price is only aimed at consumers who are confused about the whole format war in the first place, and when they do finally decide (or if), they'll opt for a more well known brand. I wouldn't buy a Venturer BD player if they made one.

[koreyman]

Look, imho a $199. hd player is not that important first because with out a hdtv there isnt alot of difference. I mean if your tv is 480p thats all it will be, and cheap pepole or pepole with limted funds or even mid class pepole who work hard for there money are not going to blow $1000-$3000 on a hdtv and then say gimmie the cheapest hd dvd player you got this is of little concern

[ReduxInflux]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

BD stand alones are now out ahead of HD-DUD stand alones in sales.

stats/facts to back this up? (i'm asking because i want to believe you)

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

BD stand alones are now out ahead of HD-DUD stand alones in sales.

where did you get your fact from. SHOW ME A LINK.........