Middle Earth: 6 Film Ultimate Collector’s Edition 4K UHD

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by oubukibun

Sigh, Warner Bros., just sigh.

Obviously none of that will come to pass, haha, but if those images being passed around are anywhere near reality, I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and just get the 2016 set and slowly but surely get each new disc and put them there instead.

Swapping out the old blu-rays with the 4Ks in that (freaking gorgeous) bookshelf set was an easy decision. Nifty as the steelbook sets are, nothing is ever going to match those leather-bound volumes in terms of luxury packaging.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

https://file-attente.cultura.com/?c=...oudflare-1.2.0

245,99 euros.

$41 per movie is steep. If it gets down to $120 it might be worth it.

[RustinCohle]

I have this set and in the past ten years have yet to watch any of the extras. Approximately how many hours worth of extras are in this set?

[Yaziel Esquivel]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

I have this set and in the past ten years have yet to watch any of the extras. Approximately how many hours worth of extras are in this set?

Same, I have seen the movies a few times, but never the extras.

[FuzzyPuffin]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

I have this set and in the past ten years have yet to watch any of the extras. Approximately how many hours worth of extras are in this set?

Originally Posted by Yaziel Esquivel

Same, I have seen the movies a few times, but never the extras.

The appendices are at least 9 hours, iirc. Two parts per movie, the first covering preproduction and the second covering production and release. Probably my favorite behind the scenes extras ever.

The Hobbit appendices are interesting, too, for another reason—you can see where it started to go wrong. More entertaining than the films.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPuffin

The Hobbit appendices are interesting, too, for another reason—you can see where it started to go wrong. More entertaining than the films.

OR you can see how, despite dealing with an uncooperative studio, actor and director turnover, and having to rush, that they were still able to put out some pretty great movies that get way more hate than they deserve.

[peschi]

yeah the appendices are sometimes (specially with the Hobbit films) more entertaining than the main features. Love the parts with the miniatures (or bigatures as they called it) Dan Hennah has a great job, filming miniatures all day.

Also the parts about Weta Workshop, with Richard Taylor and Tania Rodger how they made the weapons, armor, creatures of Middle Earth.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by happydood

If they're still remastering The Wizard of Oz, they'll eventually do something with these again. But, right, probably not for physical media.

Wizard of Oz didn’t have a 2K DI and effects rendered in 2k or less.

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPuffin

The appendices are at least 9 hours, iirc. Two parts per movie, the first covering preproduction and the second covering production and release. Probably my favorite behind the scenes extras ever.

The Hobbit appendices are interesting, too, for another reason—you can see where it started to go wrong. More entertaining than the films.

I respect PJ & company for the level of transparency on display in those documentaries. There's some fairly unflattering material in there that a more egotistical filmmaker would likely have vetoed from inclusion. Ultimately it's all the more impressive that the films turned out as good as they did.

Originally Posted by rexcrk

OR you can see how, despite dealing with an uncooperative studio, actor and director turnover, and having to rush, that they were still able to put out some pretty great movies that get way more hate than they deserve.

Time will continue to be kind to the Hobbit films as people continue to discover (and rediscover) them on their own, far removed from the stifling cloud of dissenting nerd rage that was so pervasive back when they were originally released.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

OR you can see how, despite dealing with an uncooperative studio, actor and director turnover, and having to rush, that they were still able to put out some pretty great movies that get way more hate than they deserve.

The Hobbit, that charming little childrens novel that was so popular in schools for 5 decades fell out of the top 100 most read books in British schools after the last in the sprawling trilogy was released.

The criticism they receive is obviously a subjective matter but overall they made the mistakes that Tolkien himself did with the 1960 Hobbit before coming to his senses. That evidence was there. The History of The Hobbit was even spotted on camera in the extras so the warning signs were easily readable. Giving The Hobbit a darker tone to match The Lord of the Rings was a big mistake and the charming story lost its charm for it. Literally why Tolkien abandoned the 1960 rewrite. Thankfully., because it is a drudge upto the point he stopped.

Now, most people who watched the movies are not aware of the 1960 Hobbit, or The Hostory of The Hobbit (I would imagine that 0.01% of viewers read the 1960 rewrite) yet so many of them criticise the films, interestingly coming to the same conclusions about the movies as Tolkien himself came to about the 1960 Hobbit.

You can defend the movies all you like but the evidence is against your assessment. The Hobbit movies were a serious departure from what fans wanted and it was a big error by the makers to misjudge the fanbase as they did. But then they milked that little story to boost their coffers so I doubt they mind.

The makers/producers/studio/the God of Movie Land (whoever was responsible really should have read the Hobbit a little closer.

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

[peschi]

I think what went wrong with Hobbit started already with LOTR films, where it shows that the weak parts of those films were the parts where they deviate from the books. I still love all the films (inc The Hobbit), but thats because Im a Tolkien fan, I love the world behind it, I love how its portrayed with the world building. But I have to admit especially The Hobbit is very tough to watch.

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by philthehip

You can defend the movies all you like but the evidence is against your assessment. The Hobbit movies were a serious departure from what fans wanted and it was a big error by the makers to misjudge the fanbase as they did. But then they milked that little story to boost their coffers so I doubt they mind.

"A big error" that resulted in a nearly 3 BILLION collective box office gross.

Of all the perceived issues with the Hobbit trilogy, overall tone isn't one of them. You really think audiences would have been thrilled with a light-hearted romp as a follow up to LOTR?

[RYJAPE21]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

OR you can see how, despite dealing with an uncooperative studio, actor and director turnover, and having to rush, that they were still able to put out some pretty great movies that get way more hate than they deserve.

This!

I love The Hobbit trilogy and watched each installment 3 times in theaters. It wasn’t until I started reading online comments that I realized how obnoxiously hated they are (SW prequel-level hatred). I love the original novel by Tolkien, especially because it’s one of the earliest novels I ever read, but I enjoy the movies more for delving into the lore/appendices/world of Middle Earth.

It’s no Lord of the Rings, but neither was the novel.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

"A big error" that resulted in a nearly 3 BILLION collective box office gross.

Of all the perceived issues with the Hobbit trilogy, overall tone isn't one of them. You really think audiences would have been thrilled with a light-hearted romp as a follow up to LOTR?

Of course they were going to make billions. That is a no brained.

And tone was an issue for many fans. Fans were more than happy with a duology and in fact most feedback was that 2 movies would offer a good telling of the story.

[The Dark Shape]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

"A big error" that resulted in a nearly 3 BILLION collective box office gross.

...with each movie making less money than the last, and it's not like An Unexpected Journey was a once-in-a-generation hit.

[FuzzyPuffin]

Originally Posted by peschi

I think what went wrong with Hobbit started already with LOTR films, where it shows that the weak parts of those films were the parts where they deviate from the books. I still love all the films (inc The Hobbit), but thats because Im a Tolkien fan, I love the world behind it, I love how its portrayed with the world building. But I have to admit especially The Hobbit is very tough to watch.

Ironically, Philippa Boyens mentions in the LOTR appendices that earlier drafts of the script deviated much more from the books. It was a lesson they (supposedly) learned that Tolkien actually knew what he was doing.

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

Of all the perceived issues with the Hobbit trilogy, overall tone isn't one of them. You really think audiences would have been thrilled with a light-hearted romp as a follow up to LOTR?

I think it did have a tonal problem, but it was the silly, goofy stuff that really missed the mark for me: The over-the-top barrel sequence, Legolas defying gravity, etc. made it feel like a video game. This clashed with the darker LOTR themes, like Gandalf's side story. It felt like it couldn't decide if it wanted to be a cartoon adventure movie or a LOTR prequel.

(Sorry, I did not mean to instigate yet another Hobbit debate by my innocuous comment about why I enjoy the Hobbit appendices. As rexcrk said, ).

[nusilver]

Originally Posted by philthehip

You can defend the movies all you like but the evidence is against your assessment.

As someone who has devoured every volume of HOME as well as both of Rateliff's books and who loved much, but not all, of what we got in The Hobbit movies, I'm here with a friendly reminder that every assessment is an opinion, whether informed or otherwise. There's no way that a "lighthearted" children's serial adventure would work as a prequel to the film trilogy audiences fell in love with, and I'm glad that the parts of The Hobbit movies that really worked (for me, at least) hewed tonally closer to "The Quest of Erebor" and the abandoned rewrite. Maybe they weren't a slam dunk with general audiences, but they worked for me, especially in their extended versions (minus the testicle-eating scene. Just... why?)

On the topic of the 4K discs themselves... man, I finally got a chance to watch them in HDR10 on my Epson projector (Dolby Vision is an option on my gear and I sampled it, but it's much better suited for televisions, IMO), and the experience was much improved over the SDR conversion I watched using the previous projector. I just wish these releases were a slam dunk over the Blu-rays, but unfortunately, there are enough issues with both trilogies on UHD that I find myself wishing I had the time to edit the biggest offenders ("Arwen's Fate," I'm looking at you) out and restore the Blu-ray versions for those moments. Oh, well. As others have said better: this is pretty much it for these films on home video.

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by philthehip

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/lo.../1100-6494961/ some talk of replicas in a chest like box.

That's just old fanart someone made months ago. It's not the set.

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by philthehip

The Hobbit, that charming little childrens novel that was so popular in schools for 5 decades fell out of the top 100 most read books in British schools after the last in the sprawling trilogy was released.

The criticism they receive is obviously a subjective matter but overall they made the mistakes that Tolkien himself did with the 1960 Hobbit before coming to his senses. That evidence was there. The History of The Hobbit was even spotted on camera in the extras so the warning signs were easily readable. Giving The Hobbit a darker tone to match The Lord of the Rings was a big mistake and the charming story lost its charm for it. Literally why Tolkien abandoned the 1960 rewrite. Thankfully., because it is a drudge upto the point he stopped.

Now, most people who watched the movies are not aware of the 1960 Hobbit, or The Hostory of The Hobbit (I would imagine that 0.01% of viewers read the 1960 rewrite) yet so many of them criticise the films, interestingly coming to the same conclusions about the movies as Tolkien himself came to about the 1960 Hobbit.

You can defend the movies all you like but the evidence is against your assessment. The Hobbit movies were a serious departure from what fans wanted and it was a big error by the makers to misjudge the fanbase as they did. But then they milked that little story to boost their coffers so I doubt they mind.

The makers/producers/studio/the God of Movie Land (whoever was responsible really should have read the Hobbit a little closer.

I'm a fan. I like the Hobbit movies more than Lord of the Rings. Maybe stop blowing smoke out your ass and realize your views and a few hundreds nerds on the internet who finally had something new to complain about instead of the Star Wars special editions do not speak for everyone. Most people liked the movies just fine. Not as much as rings in general but they don't hate them. But keep pretending that it wasn't a giant success DESPITE the difficulties in the production. Honestly my ONLY complaint in all 3 movies is not enough Beorn ripping apart orcs in a R rated movie.

[nusilver]

Originally Posted by Deathbymonkeys

That's just old fanart someone made months ago. It's not the set.

I'm a friend and former colleague of one of the other news editors over there. I let him know. Not sure if it'll change the story since he didn't write it.